Knoxville just pulled out of the triangular tonight due to the handling of this. Might see this be a trend. He cant wrestle if everyone pulls out or forfeits the weight
Kade Blume
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Things are starting to make sense. Hence the push from the perp’s family to keep arrangements on the down low.
Thank you, Knoxville. Actions should have consequences. Nobody can control the actions of the school board in question. But there will be consequences to their inaction.
Elias Johnson, a reporter, recently posted this on his FB page....
New developments today…
Keith Murphy confirmed Knoxville has decided not to wrestle at Roland-Story tournament this weekend due to Kade Blume situation. Instead, they’ll compete at Iowa City Regina event. Roland-Story issued the following statement:
“We are disappointed to hear that Knoxville High School will not be participating in our wrestling tournament this weekend. The school reportedly made this decision out of concern that one of our student-athletes would be competing in the tournament.
We want our community to know that the wrestler in question will not be competing in this weekend’s tournament at Roland-Story.
Our district administration has attempted to reach out to the Knoxville Community School District to clarify this matter, but has not received a response.”
New developments today…
Keith Murphy confirmed Knoxville has decided not to wrestle at Roland-Story tournament this weekend due to Kade Blume situation. Instead, they’ll compete at Iowa City Regina event. Roland-Story issued the following statement:
“We are disappointed to hear that Knoxville High School will not be participating in our wrestling tournament this weekend. The school reportedly made this decision out of concern that one of our student-athletes would be competing in the tournament.
We want our community to know that the wrestler in question will not be competing in this weekend’s tournament at Roland-Story.
Our district administration has attempted to reach out to the Knoxville Community School District to clarify this matter, but has not received a response.”
Let me pose this: Can another school district NOT let this kid wrestle on their property because he's an admitted pedophile? That would be interesting. Like Districts? That would be poetic justice.
This is just the beginning of the end for Blume, IMO. I hope I'm right and that my trust in responsible parties doing the right thing is justified. Sometimes the legal system is frustratingly slow but I think we are seeing here it is working. I do not expect to see Blume on the mat again this season.
A plea from adult to juvenile had to be agreed upon by all parties, with the stiffest being the Prosecutor/District Attorney. Once in juvenile, most everything will be sealed.
The School board member who spoke out and resigned did so as a lone person. Never good when you step out of what was discussed by attorney's. None of the others spoke except the President.
Having done victim advocacy, most here are jumping all over what is perceived as blatant disregard by many people in the school district. Never the true case.
Passion and outrage are not how the system works. Some outcomes never seem fair. No crime should be diminished, but there are so many people involved who have rights it can be hard to comprehend. The perpetrator has rights, the victim has rights, the school district, witnesses, accomplisses, parents. In the end we always conclude there are no "winners" and there shouldn't be.
This should not be litigated in the press, tried in the press or be sensationalized. As hard as it may seem to some of you, the kid has to have some serious counseling. You don't keep the kid from becoming a worse sex offender by punishment of an extreme nature. Swallow hard because that sucks... As a society we can make monsters worse.
Always sucks for the victim, but the end to the means is to keep from having more victims. What has already happened we can't change. The goal is no more victims.
The School board member who spoke out and resigned did so as a lone person. Never good when you step out of what was discussed by attorney's. None of the others spoke except the President.
Having done victim advocacy, most here are jumping all over what is perceived as blatant disregard by many people in the school district. Never the true case.
Passion and outrage are not how the system works. Some outcomes never seem fair. No crime should be diminished, but there are so many people involved who have rights it can be hard to comprehend. The perpetrator has rights, the victim has rights, the school district, witnesses, accomplisses, parents. In the end we always conclude there are no "winners" and there shouldn't be.
This should not be litigated in the press, tried in the press or be sensationalized. As hard as it may seem to some of you, the kid has to have some serious counseling. You don't keep the kid from becoming a worse sex offender by punishment of an extreme nature. Swallow hard because that sucks... As a society we can make monsters worse.
Always sucks for the victim, but the end to the means is to keep from having more victims. What has already happened we can't change. The goal is no more victims.
I believe he blew all his money on attorney fees just to get it plead to a juvenile case...and yes he is a sack of shit.
And the words appeared measured to me, emphasizing the points that it didn't occur on school property or at a school event (regardless of the wording of the Roland-Story Student Handbook Student Conduct section). People may read into it, or not, as they choose.
I think this was the major reason for the plea. Being a juvenile at the time of the incident could partially explains the relative quiet between New Years and November.
True, but passion and outrage are often the impetus for changes to the system.
I wonder whether the plea includes any restitution to the victim / victim's family, or any condition of confidentiality.
In addition to those involved being juveniles, preserving this possibility, in the interest of victim options, could explain what might otherwise be perceived as a lack of transparency by school board or district attorney.
I’m a lib and 98 just don’t go spouting things about either side. Not everyone thinks, oh just let him go. I’m on the side if he did it, no wrestling. I don’t know shit about this case though. I have many many conservative friends and it’s cool to give shit, but labeling is weird to me. I find it best to listen to everyone and talk to them regardless of their beliefs.
I agree with all of this.
I don't see how not allowing him to continue to compete in a sport conflicts with any of it.
You make a lot of good points, but I have a hard time believing that real consequences for his actions AND meaningful counseling to prevent future assaults are mutually exclusive things here.
While I agree with most of what you said I dont see how withholding him from sports for at least this season is punishment of an extreme nature. Actions have consequences anyway you look at it. High school student athletes get more punishment from the schools and sports for a minor in possession of alcohol then in this case.
I do agree the long term is to get both the offender and the victim the proper help that they need to overcome this horrible situation. And to ensure the offender does not re-offend
I have a strong opinion on what should happen to sexual predators, rapist, pedophiles and those who perform sexual assault, and it does not include counseling. A lot of you won't like this but they don't deserve the air they breathe. If it was up to me, getting to wrestle would be the least of his or his families concerns....
I do think at some point they will withhold him from sports as is the case now for this weekend.
Knee jerk reactions from adults sometimes result in worse reactions for juveniles. It looks slow at times, but trust that every action has a reaction.
If they immediately pulled him or completely suspended him, with what has been some harsh words said about his dad, I hate to wonder. Poor or no guidance from home can lead to catastrophe. I don't know anything about the family, just a couple of comments here.
Stop and realize, stabilize first from both a mental health standpoint and sexual offense standpoint. Is the kid mentally stable enough to not harm himself, family and the victim. Go a step further, is he capable of violence in the school? Once the situation has been plead as charges and deemed to be safe, discipline can begin while monitoring both him and his family. Law enforcement, schools and families have all been horrible at this.
Sucks guys, I know. From a sexual abuse standpoint, get it right. Once again it just doesn't always look good. The last thing you want is to say no more wrestling and him to say well then no one will wrestle and you have a horrific nightmare. Patience.
And you would create more victims in your world. Sex offenders are some of the most controllable populations in our judicial system. Sounds badass to talk that way to some, but you have to remember you're not demented like they are. While you act tough like you could take care of them all wild wild west style, they could pull the trigger a lot faster than you because of their mindset to begin with.
Not talking to be a "bad ass".
Your interpretation of my post is way off, but doesn't surprise me
There is something that was done in the "wild west" days that would be appropriate punishment though
"Poor or no guidance from home can lead to catastrophe."
If I am the kid who got stripped and had a pencil inserted into me then I think a catastrophe has already occurred. You seem very knowledgeable on this subject. Do you think this was the first time this kid thought/acted upon something of this nature? I don't. Perhaps there have been previous situations where the 'we want to avoid future situations so let's consider the feelings of the perpetrator as well' approach. If taking away wrestling is going to create a potential incident for himself, violence in the school, etc. then keeping it in adult court was the direction to go, get him locked up and under control.
Maybe you should re- read the open ended part of your post. Anything relating to saying a person doesn't deserve the air they breathe should be taken how by people? You have a strong opinion that doesn't include counseling..."the least of his or his families concerns." This statement led me to believe you would take justice into your own hands. That is the wild west statement.
Why would my post towards you be not a surprise?
Don't disagree. Do I think this was his first time, no. Anal penetration is very disturbing, but anal sex has become practice in our society and a portrait in porn that elicits thought responses in adolescents.
I disagree where you think I am taking feelings into account. I'm taking the lack of feelings into account. Today we have to look before we jump. I won't discuss locking a sexual predator up with other adults, because people go off on weird tangents that aren't true about jails and prisons. I will say a juvenile can learn worse before being made aware of heinous behavior. Like a person who did meth goes to jail, but learns to cook meth while there. Same can be said for sex offenders.
A couple of quick questions - if schools need to wait until the final judgement to take action how do schools catch a kid at a party with alcohol and suspend them for 1/3 of a season? Or take any disciplinary action at all?
Addressing your 'If I can't or didn't I don't feel I should comment'
You go to a restaurant and your medium rare steak comes out well done. Unless you have worked in a commercial steakhouse please don't send that steak or comment on it.....
Go to the doctor for a hang nail and they amputate your hand, well unless you are a doctor............
If you feel the school board has done things correctly from the start, not from the point where legal got involved then we will agree to disagree.
Exactly. The catastrophe has already happened. If he's unsafe to be around then he should be in prison. It's already a horrific nightmare for somebody.
Here's the problem, he's not a sex offender. He's probably going to have nothing on his record from this. He'll be completely out of the control of our legal system very soon.
The fox is already in the henhouse in this situation and he's already eaten one.
If the solution to dealing with demented people in our society is to tiptoe around them and live in constant fear, apparently we need a lot more jails which is something I never thought I would say.
Blame the system and lawyers, not me. You may disagree and I didn't base my opinion. Fox is in the henhouse. I made a statement that law enforcement, schools and families are horrible in these situations, thus there are no winners comment.
You don't tiptoe around people, lawyers and DA's do all the dancing.
The jails and prisons we have make better criminals.
Yeah, I believe I'm thinking the same thing you are.... what the hell??
Sorry I don't even understand what you're trying to communicate in your last two posts. It appears you're advocating much stiffer sentencing to keep psychopaths off the streets. Maybe you've convinced me.
So, you jumped to conclusions
I would love to have a face to face conversation with someone who has your beliefs on this
In my opinion people like you are nothing but an enabler for them to do it again
I thought he was saying treating a juvenile as an adult in today's correctional facility/prison systen is worse for society--perhaps unless the inmate is already certified as a lost cause psychopath who is a danger to society.
But yeah, probably could edit both posts to improve clarity.
I am always around and what is my belief? I am so far from an enabler that you would be backtracking. So you just jumped to conclusions about what I posted, that is not an opinion. I have a degree in Behavioral Science with a Masters in Kinesiology. If you knew what I believed you would by me a shot and say oh okay... Anytime you want to meet I am at all the home wrestling.
I had a distant relative who had a 16 year old son get arrested for sexually abusing a 3 yr old girl that she provided in home daycare for. The issue that the courts had was deciding what to do with him. He was small in stature, immature and obviously had issues. If they tried him as an adult, he would have spent several yrs in adult prison and likely would become victimized himself, likely would not be rehabilitated and then released and who knows what would happen. If the case was handled in juvenile court, he would be placed in a group home, given counseling but then as soon as he turned 18 (basically 14 months later) would be free to go, no further court ordered treatment or probation and have virtually no public record. Neither was really a good option.
Well, him not competing tonight and this weekend makes the next available meet to wrestle 1st week in January. A LOT can happen between now and then.
Make no mistake though - all Mr Blume cares about is wrestling at state tournament. Period.
Make no mistake though - all Mr Blume cares about is wrestling at state tournament. Period.
Not saying I have the same belief, because I'm not sure I yet fully understand @Section25's or yours correctly.
I think it is reasonable for different people to have different views of justice and punishment. In this case, views might be tempered by the age and relationship of the parties involved, uncertainty regarding the details of the incident (which will likely never become public), and dare I say potential extenuating circumstances that may have affected the assailant's perception of what was happening on New Year's.
Our views are almost certainly influenced by our individual life experiences, including any religious training we may have had. "Vengence is mine, sayeth the Lord. Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. Judge not, less ye be judged." all come to my mind due to my Catholic upbringing.
When it comes to the perception of lesser punishment, some could view it as mercy over enabling.
I do believe some crimes are very disruptive to society, but the punishment, per the laws, falls woefully short. I just don't think I'm at the point in this situation to say Kade Blume doesn't deserve the air he breathes.
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Anybody can make a mistake. Especially kids.
Capitol punishment for a minor and a sex crime? Sounds like something Ya’ll Kaida would come up with.
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So, what do you think of politicians accused of multiple sex crimes who buy silence from victims or just discredit them for lack of evidence?
Motion to get the entire thread deleted (or at least locked), because it's run its course. 😆
(That's an example of being assertive rather than aggressive or passive aggressive. 😉)
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