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Keegan and Kris

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I fully expect these two to make a major leap next season. What stat predictions do you have?

I wonder what Keegan is thinking seeing his name projected in ESPN's NBA Draft Board - First Round! Would hate to lose him to the Draft but it would be a great selling point for Fran and the long-term success of the program.
 
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I'm not sure about official stats for the Murray boys but I do know they will do a lot of things that won't show up on the stat sheet. They will hustle, hit the open man, not force things and play good defense. I think as they become more comfortable that they will both become very good shooters. They are the type that have a nose for the ball. Both will be good rebounders. I think the overseas trip will be great for their confidence and development.
 
I have high hopes for these two dudes. I don’t want to jinx them, but i was a high schooler when Kenyon came to Iowa and we thought he was the next Roy Marble (or better). I believe some knee stuff hindered that path, but he was a phenom as a frosh. If these guys can carry that on without any setbacks, well, I’m pulling for them and Kenyon’s legacy at Iowa.
 
I have high hopes for these two dudes. I don’t want to jinx them, but i was a high schooler when Kenyon came to Iowa and we thought he was the next Roy Marble (or better). I believe some knee stuff hindered that path, but he was a phenom as a frosh. If these guys can carry that on without any setbacks, well, I’m pulling for them and Kenyon’s legacy at Iowa.
Kenyon Murray came to Iowa as a prolific scorer, but left as quite possibly the best defensive player in program history.

I see the same kind of dedication in his twins. Not everyone is going to get 15-20 PPG. Some players need to be willing to do the little things that make the whole team better.
 
Keegan absolutely has NBA potential. I stress potential. He must become a better shooter and ball handler. His defense and rebounding will continue to improve as his body matures. I do see him as Iowa's first 1st Round draft choice in many years, just not in the next two years.
 
Keegan absolutely has NBA potential. I stress potential. He must become a better shooter and ball handler. His defense and rebounding will continue to improve as his body matures. I do see him as Iowa's first 1st Round draft choice in many years, just not in the next two years.

He has all the potential, for sure. If he gets a favorable evaluation, he'll be gone. Just looked it up and he'll be 21.5 years old after the 2021-2022 season.
 
He has all the potential, for sure. If he gets a favorable evaluation, he'll be gone. Just looked it up and he'll be 21.5 years old after the 2021-2022 season.
I don't disagree - I just don't think he will have the all-around offensive game by that point. In the NBA they are all great athletes.
 
Keegan 2021/2022 Averages: 15 points/9 rebounds
Kris 2021/2022 Averages: 7.5 points/6 rebounds

Those are my random predictions. Keegan averaged 7.2/5.1 this past season and that was in 18 minutes of play. He'll be getting a lot more minutes next season. I see Kris getting 15-18 minutes next season and having similar stats to what Keegan had this past season.

At 15 and 9, that would put Keegan a bit above what Joe W averaged last season. He could even average more than that. Garza accounted for a lot of the touches and scoring last year so without him, some guys are going to have to step up offensively.
 
Keegan 2021/2022 Averages: 15 points/9 rebounds
Kris 2021/2022 Averages: 7.5 points/6 rebounds

Those are my random predictions. Keegan averaged 7.2/5.1 this past season and that was in 18 minutes of play. He'll be getting a lot more minutes next season. I see Kris getting 15-18 minutes next season and having similar stats to what Keegan had this past season.

At 15 and 9, that would put Keegan a bit above what Joe W averaged last season. He could even average more than that. Garza accounted for a lot of the touches and scoring last year so without him, some guys are going to have to step up offensively.
I think those might be a bit elevated for Keegan; I'll go 12 ppg/7 rebounds. I think where he'll really excel is in shot-blocking. I could see him getting 2+ per game. His leaping is so quick. Not sure what his vertical is, but it must be 36" plus.

Kris will be a welcome addition on the wing as both a shooter and playmaker.

Both are long and athletic, and could really play havoc on defense especially in full-court situations. Throw in P-Mac and it would be difficult getting past those three.
 
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Old Hawkeye fans remember Payne and Stokes’ freshman season. Payne was the focus that season but Stokes developed into the better player.

I could see Kris averaging more ppg next season. His rep is that of a shooter and scorer. We need scoring and I expect Kris to break out with a ton of points. Keegan will also improve his all around game but trail Kris in ppg 16 to 14.
 
The biggest obstacle for Keegan next year will be to stay out of foul trouble. He struggled with that a little this past season, many times not his fault as personally I think he was a victim of several bad calls from officials. But when you are an active defender, playing in the passing lanes and challenging guys at the rim, you put yourself at risk of getting more calls against you. It's not a dig on him, it's a characteristic most of us love about Keegan. Hopefully he can build a reputation with the officials (and we know they do this) as an elite defender and gets the benefit of doubt on the tough calls.
 
The biggest obstacle for Keegan next year will be to stay out of foul trouble. He struggled with that a little this past season, many times not his fault as personally I think he was a victim of several bad calls from officials. But when you are an active defender, playing in the passing lanes and challenging guys at the rim, you put yourself at risk of getting more calls against you. It's not a dig on him, it's a characteristic most of us love about Keegan. Hopefully he can build a reputation with the officials (and we know they do this) as an elite defender and gets the benefit of doubt on the tough calls.
If he and Kris switch jerseys at half time, they can just pool their fouls and could get up to 10 total fouls!

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They'll have to switch which hand they shoot with then as well...... ;)

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Keegan's outside shot tailed off as the season wore on. It became flatter and less fluid. That really seems like a freshman thing: long season, taking the big shot sinking in, etc... His early season performance, acadamy performance and shooting video showed a great form. I bet Ke M returns to around 40% from 3 and scores around 14-16. P'Mac and Jordan in the 12-14 range and Kr M and Filip in the 8-10 range.

Other than really just saying "forward" it will be pretty hard to assign a real specific spot to the Ks and Patrick without focusing on a traditional position and those "positions" could change from possession to possession. The Ks may be just a little to small to eat up a ton of low post time, hence Filip/Riley/Ogs will probably be on the floor most of the time. But KPK are going to make a lot of plays around the basket on both ends.
 
My predictions:

Keegan: 14.5 ppg; 8 rpg; 1.5 blocks (32 mpg); *will declare for 2022 NBA Draft
Kris: 7 ppg; 4 rpg; .5 blocks (18 mpg)
 
My predictions:

Keegan: 14.5 ppg; 8 rpg; 1.5 blocks (32 mpg); *will declare for 2022 NBA Draft
Kris: 7 ppg; 4 rpg; .5 blocks (18 mpg)
Unfortunately, I think you are pretty close. I would hate to lose Keegan but I think he will be ready. We would open up another scholarship for some pretty good prospects. Getting another player drafted would be great for the Hawks.
 
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From Sports Illustrated - Top Prospects Returning to School: https://www.si.com/nba/2021/06/01/nba-draft-top-prospects-returning-to-school

Keegan Murray, F, Iowa | Sophomore

Height: 6' 8" | Weight: 215 | Age: 20 (*Correction: Keegan is now 6'9'' and 223 lbs)


Although Murray’s emergence was somewhat obscured by the Luka Garza spotlight, he often looked like arguably Iowa’s most interesting long-term prospect and should be a linchpin for next season’s team. Gifted with impressive mobility and shot blocking instincts, Murray is well-suited for the NBA as a roving, defensive-minded forward who impacts games with his length, can switch ball screens, and cover ground and space that most players can’t. Given how useful that skill set is when covering for a center like Garza, Murray was probably deserving of more minutes as a 20-year-old freshman. A native of Iowa City whose father played at Iowa, Murray developed off the radar, took a prep year and turns 21 in August.

Murray’s individual offense is still a work in progress, and he was never really showcased last season, but he’s a smart cutter, the ball doesn’t stick in his hands, and his shot isn’t bad. He may not be much of a creator for others, but he plays within his means. rarely forces a bad shot, and generally made the most of the opportunities he got in a Garza-centric offense. Murray is probably better suited as a four than a three in the long run, but his defensive versatility blurs those lines in a positive way. He should be on the first-round radar going into the fall, with his development as a scorer determining how quickly he advances up NBA draft boards.
 
Unfortunately, I think you are pretty close. I would hate to lose Keegan but I think he will be ready. We would open up another scholarship for some pretty good prospects. Getting another player drafted would be great for the Hawks.

For sure. Keegan getting drafted in the first round would be a great recruiting tool.
 
I haven't seen enough of Kris to have an opinion, but based upon what Fran and Kenyon have had to say, I'm excited.

Obviously Keegan has NBA potential. I'm not sure when he'll get there, but in my opinion here is what he needs to improve upon to realize that potential:

His length, athleticism, and effort already make him a very good defender and rebounder. He reminds me of a Dennis Rodman starter set in that regard. That said, he must get better at keeping players in front of him on the perimeter, which will occur with experience, as well as progression of technique and foot quickness.

He already looks like a more natural outside shooter than his father (sorry Kenyon), and his shooting technique is really solid. His mechanics look very consistent and repeatable. This will continue to improve as his role on the team evolves. With the departure of a couple of shooters, that should already begin to occur next year. If he can shoot from distance and get to the rim (which is already a strength of his), he will have a role in the NBA, and I would predict that ne is most likely to be as a starter at that level, not a role player.

The NBA is full of freak athletes. He has shown that he can compete at the rim both offensively and defensively at the college level, but he'll have to expand his moves around the hoop to compete at the next level. Again, his athleticism and length mean that he can accomplish this. If he tightens his handles a little bit, I can see him excelling with the Euro step and other slick moves that get him to the hoop, and his arm length combined with a soft touch will allow him to get to the rim and finish.

It's likely that he'll need another 10-15 pounds to bang in the league. That shouldn't be a problem for him, and he looks like the type that will maintain his athleticism as that occurs.

I am excited to see him develop, and what we know about Keegan should give us much optimism about Kris as well.
 
I'm hoping that, like the SI article stated, Keegan held his game in check a bit last season in favor of letting Luka do his thing. This season, with JoeW apparently gone, this could be his team and I would like to see him, within the limits of the game plan of course, let it all out and become a dominant player in the B1G.
 
I don't disagree - I just don't think he will have the all-around offensive game by that point. In the NBA they are all great athletes.
Won't need it, he has the all around defensive game.

If his 3pt shooting improves just a bit this will probably be his last year.
 
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Hopefully Keegan won't feel pressed about burdening the pressure about having to pick up the scoring that Garza leaves behind.
I remember Guy Rucker being a force when he played alongside Andre Woolridge but kinda fizzled out after Woolridge was gone.
 
Hopefully Keegan won't feel pressed about burdening the pressure about having to pick up the scoring that Garza leaves behind.
I remember Guy Rucker being a force when he played alongside Andre Woolridge but kinda fizzled out after Woolridge was gone.
Guy was too mellow to be a lead player. Keegan has more of a leader of the pack mentality. He'll get it done.
 
I would foresee Keegan's career trajectory won't follow Life as a G or Michael Payne. If pressed I'd say 2nd team ABT, then 1st team then money.

Health is always a risk but Keegan's future looks bright. The kid is really good. He has not really shown signs of being a renegade gunner so I don't think teams will successfully double him much next year and he'll score 14-16 PPG. He also looks to be a key part of something we haven't seen since Woody and Mikey G left, a really good Iowa defense, cuz Keegan plays good D too. Indeed I fully expect Kris to be an excellent defensive bulldog as well. I mean those of us old enough to remember Dad's play, one of Iowa's best defenders ever, anything else would be at least surprising.

Call me irrationally enthusiastic but I think next season is going to be a very good year for Iowa and the doubters will seem as foolish as Cnut ordering the ocean's waves to recede.
 
Won't need it, he has the all around defensive game.

If his 3pt shooting improves just a bit this will probably be his last year.
Nobody gets drafted in the 1st round to play defense. He is nowhere near NBA caliber offensively now and that includes shooting (besides spot up set shots), passing, and handles. Yes he can attack the rim in college. The NBA is a different world there too. Athletically he's there. If he develops his offensive game, he's a 1st round pick. I just don't see it happening this year. Two years, pretty good chance because his recent trajectory indicates his ability to work and acquire needed skills.
 
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Nobody gets drafted in the 1st round to play defense. He is nowhere near NBA caliber offensively now and that includes shooting (besides spot up set shots), passing, and handles. Yes he can attack the rim in college. The NBA is a different world there too. Athletically he's there. If he develops his offensive game, he's a 1st round pick. I just don't see it happening this year. Two years, pretty good chance because his recent trajectory indicates his ability to work and acquire needed skills.
Yes they do.

A player that can switch 1 through 5 and can space on offense is extremely sought after.
 
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If you think he can guard, and I mean be effective guarding, 1-5 in the NBA you need to adjust your thoughts on talent evaluation.
I don't think you even grasp what's being talked about.

Everyone has to be able to switch 1-5 now days. 1s end up in 5s, 5s end up on 1s.

No one is going to be able to match up well with everyone on the court but you're still going to be matched up with them.

Keegan is definitely a guy that projects to be one of the more interchangeable defenders available in whatever year he ends up in the draft.
 
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