I don't think you comprehend the difference between the college game and the NBA. The NBA is full of athletic 6'9 guys. To be a first round draft choice he will have to improve his offensive game dramatically. Could he maybe play in the league without doing so, possibly? But for a team to invest a high draft choice he better have offensive skills. He's not there yet and I am simply stating it's going to take more than one year for him to develop. When is the last time you saw him take 3-4 dribbles and hit even a college 3? Let's have him average 13-15 a game before we start the 1st round hype.
Keegan and Kris
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No NBA team is drafting a college senior who spent a year at a prep school in the first round. If he’s not drafted in the next two years, then he won’t be a first rounder.
Teams are going to give him some leeway for being a little older because he’s still getting used to his body after growing. They aren’t going to forgive him for it three years from now.
I don't think you comprehend the difference between the nba draft and college basketball production.
Yes the nba is full of athletic 6'9 guys, college basketball is not.
The nba drafts 6'9 athletic guys who can shoot and play defense. Hes fits the mold of what they want.
It will be hard to find real mismatches for Keegan, Kris and Patrick. The centers are a question mark. We know Jordan will need some help, but his primary defense will be on somewhat, and in general, less quick players and we will have quicker players to stop the ball before Jordan get's in trouble. Tony may become a formidable defensive weapon with which to attack and trap as well. Joey is a bulldog. Its going to be harder to get open 3s next season, let's just hope that doesn't mean more point blank shots by a center.
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I agree, there way too much hype being put on Keegan.
Yes, he is good. And yes he has potential to be great. But until we see it, it's all words.
The hype is great for KeM. And good pub for the Hawks. But the pressure to perform could come back to bite.
Let's just hope he can be an above average B1G starter and go from there.
Last year, Patrick Williams was drafted 4th in the 2020 NBA Draft. He averaged 9 PPG while coming off the bench at Florida State. Don't blame us for hyping Keegan up, blame ESPN and Sports Illustrated :-D
Well considering the NBA drafts largely on potential, you can see why there’s so much chatter surrounding him leaving
My ATL Hawks drafted De'Andre Hunter, and a primary reason was due to his ability to guard multiple positions.
2nd sentence - Exactly! Glad you figured it out that he will be going up against men, not boys. Let him dominate at the college level for at least one year before you anoint him as a 1st round pick. And as far as shooting, again, show me even one time where he took 3-4 dribbles and hit a jump shot. Not a spot up college three, an actual off the dribble jump shot where he beat his man to an open spot.
When Murray put the ball on the deck, he was usually taking it into the lane and was fantastic at both finishing in traffic or getting to a spot in the lane and finishing with a floater or baby hook. If he got to the rim, layup or dunk. When defenders sagged off of him, he was perfectly capable of knocking down mid range jumpers or threes, but also hit contested ones
Iowa’s offense is centered around getting high percentage looks, especially with the firepower they had as upperclassmen last year, so not sure how or why you think Murray would or should have been attempting those low percentage shots. It’s easy to see, given his defense, ball handling, ability in transition, ability to drive, court awareness, length, and athleticism, how he could fit in in an NBA role.
The guy doesn’t need to be Kevin Durant on offense to get drafted in the first round
Hunter is actually a pretty solid comp for Murray in terms of style of play and he was the 4th overall pick in the draft… though he was both a better defender and better outside shooter than Murray
One of the top NBA agents recently told me that if you aren't 1 of the "150" (30 NBA teams/5 starters), you will become a "rotational" guy that needs to bring something to the table to get on the floor. Same agent told me that every good team has 2-3 "GUYS"!! Most 1st round picks won't be "the guy", so how do you make your mark? Same agent said, be able to defend multiple positions, handle the basketball and be able to hit open shots. A lot of guys get in because they can do 1-2 things REALLY WELL!! Just saying...
You don't have to dominate in college to be a first round pick and dominating in college does not necessarily get you drafted.
You don't have to be able to take 3 or 4 dribbles and hit jump shots.
If you're not a primary ballhandler/scorer the two most important things you can bring to the table are defensive versatility and 3pt shooting.
Pay more attention to what all the other guys are doing besides the stars. They're mostly swinging the ball and shooting catch and shoot shots
An expert citing an expert. I say let's roll with this theory until there's a better one from better sources.
I think what we had with Keegan last season was a very pleasant surprise. None of us really knew what to expect and many thought McCaffery was grasping for straws when he offered scholarships to the twins. Keegan demonstrated that he had the ability to contribute to a B1G team. This year, I hope he takes another step and shows he can be a star on a B1G team. I'm hoping the only pressure he feels is the pressure he places on himself to do as much as possible to help the Hawks win games and his NBA aspirations are secondary. I also hope that Kris has at least the kind of year that Keegan had last season.
From my comments on this board, do you believe a Murray would put himself above the team?? He can reach his goals by being the best "teammate" he can be. I would hope that the way I have described both my boys, everyone on this board believes they are "high character" guys.
When do they leave for the European basketball games this summer. Meaning Keegan, Kris and Patrick
Kenyon, no one on this site with a brain could question your last statement. It was obvious last season that Keegan was doing his best to fill his role and as much as I'm positive that Kris wanted very much to be on the floor, he was always cheering on "his boys", and never showed any signs of "ME" first attitude. Very much looking forward to the next couple of years of Hawkeye basketball, and watching the twins develop.
Thanks for what information you have. I’ll be looking forward to hearing how this goes for the trio
KM's path to the nba is almost surely through defensive prowess/versatility and rebounding. His offense will need to improve, but I don't see that as a major issue for him. nba teams need role players to complement the stars. KM already looks solid as a role player. He can use this season to further refine and highlight those skills.
I don't doubt that for a second. I simply meant that last season Keegan deferred his game to Luka and this season I would like to see him step it up a bit. I think he has the tools to be the "man" on this team if necessary and I hope Kris is following quickly in his footsteps. Losing Luka and Joe leave a 39 point gap in our scoring that someone needs to fill. I don't expect Keegan and Kris to do it all, but I would like to see them pick up a good chunk of it.
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I thought they were all 3 playing together, but they are on separate teams. Bummer.
They are supposed to play in Switzerland. But the borders are closed. If that doesn't change by August, they are going to play in England.
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KrM and KeM will pick up a LOT of the slack. Especially on the rebounding side. Which is Huge for a Fran coached team. They just do not typically have a rebounding prowess.... That noted, PMac seems to be an OK rebounder.
There are lots of options for next year. We will be a much diverse, well rounded team. IMHO. Very much looking forward to seeing it!
Not to pick on you Deplorable Dog, but here is a quote from you last summer: I bet Ke M returns to around 40% from 3 and scores around 14-16. Kind of missed that one!! LOL I don't think anyone would have predicted his scoring this year tho including myself. Just happy it happened.
Someone predicted 24 points a game last summer and I laughed at them, thinking 14-16 was much more likely. I definitely bow to whoever that was. Great call!
Lots of people are impressed with not only the huge increase in point production, but with his overall game as well as court vision and awareness on the defensive end.
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