KXNO interview with Swarm founder
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Right, there is no way Iowa is going to be able to come up with 10 mil. a year for football and basketball and the way this nil is going is certainly repulsive to many fans.
This is a great point,. And it’s also ironic that some of the loudest opponents of NIL are the same that will worship unregulated capitalism and the “free market" In political threads. Fvcking hypocrites, every single one.
Jon's a funny guy.
2003 vs 2006.
Bob vs Gary.
I'm beginning to realize Steve carried the load during their years together.
Of course, i was trying to make a point but was a little over the top. You are going to do what is best for you. If nil isn't your thing then i don't have a problem with it. I apologize for being over the top. I don't follow other teams and nil and st judes is my thing. I truly dont expect you to turn in your fan card if you dont donate. Lol, you did make your point really well! I'd almost say it was due to taking rhetoric at the university, lol
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Anyone who can't understand why an economic system might need to be different from a collegiate athletic system has their head in the sand.
The entire point behind athletics being organized is to provide a uniform set of rules and a fairly level playing field.
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I am kind of torn….I do think the players deserved their share of the pie, I do believe what this has turned into….essentially fans crowd funding a team for using their “NIL” is completely absurd.
And ultimately I don’t think it’s gonna make much of a difference…I’d wager the majority of the next 10-15 titles are won by schools named: Georgia, Bama, LSU, Florida, Clemson, or OSU just like they have been for the past 15 or so years.
And ultimately I don’t think it’s gonna make much of a difference…I’d wager the majority of the next 10-15 titles are won by schools named: Georgia, Bama, LSU, Florida, Clemson, or OSU just like they have been for the past 15 or so years.
Agreed. The same teams that were able to succeed with under-the-table payments before will still thrive now...
Gary said ‘never’ not ‘I have never’ or ‘during my time we have never’
Jon pointed out that difference and noted that it was Bob rather than Gary. And yes Steve carried the load. This release doesn’t really have anything to do with supporting that premise. He sent a factually accurate piece.
I don’t think it has “quickly became what many warned about.” I agree there needs to be some tweaks to the system to add some guardrails. For example, a one time only transfer rule, strict no tampering rules, and specific timeframes for the portal (already starting to see this). However, I disagree that college football is doomed and NIL is ruining the game. This year there has been a small percentage of impactful starters leaving to go to another school solely because of NIL. Most of the kids in the portal are kids who left because of playing time, coaching change, or didn’t like/fit in the program.
I think the portal and NIL can be a good thing for college football because it can allow for schools to improve quickly. The days of 3-5 year rebuilds are over. It’s healthy that a school like Colorado can go from the worst power five this year to being competitive and maybe a bowl team next year. The Colorado fan base will be interested and engaged next season for the first time in years.
Additionally, NIL and the transfer portal could help to bring competitive balance to the sport. Schools like Alabama will not be able to stockpile talented kids. Many of the backups at Alabama are very good players and will leave to a midlevel P5 for more playing time. Hell Iowa’s already benefited from this with the Michigan transfers.
None of those are remotely enforceable, either realistically or legally with the Supreme Court decision.
It's not a "small percentage of impactful starters" when you look at all levels of football, not just D1. DII/FCS teams now are losing starters left and right, which still isn't good when a large percentage of athletes who enter the portal never find a home.
And that might be the reasoning for most of them, but NIL becomes a catalyst for it. We know for a fact that Oregon offered Jestin Jacobs money just to visit.
The counterpoint is that now schools have to re-recruit their entire rosters each year, which is a nightmare logistically and for building team culture/cohesion.
And for every USC transfer success story, there's a Nebraska that went nowhere.
Not sure any of the excitement around Colorado has to do with the transfer portal and more to the fact that Deion is a walking hype machine (whose actual coaching skills are still up for debate). And Colorado had some excitement before Tucker left them high and dry, as well as the peak of Mike McIntyre's tenure.
Absolutely not with this. Alabama has poached starters from in-conference blue-blood schools like LSU. Good players have never balked waiting at Bama before.
Just because Iowa has benefited from it doesn't mean I'm on board with it either.
NIL and the portal are here to stay, college football players will make lots money in the future, and it will continue to become a semipro or straight up professional league. In the future, there will be more structure to NIL, there’s way too much money on the line to not figure it out. Sounds like you don’t like the principle of players getting paid and player freedom so you may be in the small percentage of fans who stop watching college football.
The rest of us will continue to watch college football and the sport will remain extremely popular.
I’m sure somebody will. You don’t have nearly as much leverage as you think you do.
Jeez, I wasn't expecting that kind of a response. These message boards would be a lot better if this was what conversations were like. I understand your point of giving to the collective, even if I or others might feel like college football is quickly turning into the complete opposite of what it was.
I don't know if rhetoric taught me anything and it was 23 years ago since I took that class so I probably can't remember if it did or not.
After typing that I went to college 23 years ago, I'm depressed. Might have to have a couple drinks to cure my depression and make it through watching the Gophers game with my nephew who is a diehard rodent. Good news is that drunk shopping might turn into giving to the Swarm!
On Iowa!
Just received a Swarm email from Iowa Athletics! Looks like communications are happening!
I like players getting paid reasonably. Not millions to buy their commitments under a thinly veiled pay-for-play scheme. Structure isn't happening because, again, the Supreme Court already ruled the NCAA (or whatever succeeds them) can't touch it. And since everyone wanted to be the first to satiate the frothing masses without regard for long-term consequences, poorly thought out NIL laws were rammed through state legislatures, leading to the mess we're in.
I also understand that they are, and still were before NIL, compensated EXTREMELY well in terms of tuition, housing, etc. Far better than the regular student. The idea that college athletes were scraping pennies together to pay for food was always a complete fabrication.
I just may stop watching D1 football, or at the very least with far less interest. If I wanted to watch teams that are bought and paid for, I'd watch the NFL. FCS, DII, DIII, and NAIA football are still great fun to watch.
makes you wonder if the blue bloods will have a harder time staying on top if they require that much cash to recruit players? But I do think as others have stated that this NIL thing needs to be regulated and soon.
It will ruin college sports if NIL remains unchecked
I hear you. As for will ruin...many would argue it has already been ruined.
Cheers and GO HAWKS!
It's not at all absurd. And Iowa Athletics is expected to have $129 million in revenue in 2023 and their take from the TV deal will jump by around $40 million in (2024?). Almost all of that revenue is generated by football.
Helping the people who actually generate that revenue by working their asses off and risking their bodies to get a small (less than 10%) piece of that is better characterized as "the least they can do."
I respect the hell out you for watching DII, DIII, and NAIA football. You must really like intercollegiate athletics.
DI football is basically professional football, I’ve made peace with that and will not change my viewing habits. Props to you for changing.
Never said I did bro. There are many on here that don't go and don't donate who think they should be listened too. When and if it stops being fun then I look to something else fun to fill the time.
Another common misunderstanding. Everyone hears the the tall tales of players not going to class, having tutors, getting McDonald's bags, etc.
Being a D1 athlete is tough, but they're still more than capable of being students. The aforementioned stories apply to maybe the top 0.5% of football players, but unfortunately that's exactly who all this change is geared towards helping rather than the rest of them.
I get so worked up about it because I and the many other college coaches I've spoken to at different levels fear the long-term side-effects not only for football, but for all collegiate sports.
Do I also still have to buy tickets to attend? Everything related to college sports is already too damn expensive. Whoever wants to donate, great. Go for it. But let's not try and guilt people or draw a fan line in the sand for those of us who really can't see the benefit of what NIL is right now. I'll probably still root for the Hawks regardless of how this pay for play scheme ends but I'm not going to throw money at it so I can have a marginally more enjoyable Saturday afternoon.
Agreed. While $10 million is a lot of money, you have to consider our coach makes $7m/yr. In the NFL, you would never expect the coach to make 70% of what the entire roster makes.
I do think they need to find a way to use TV money to pay the players given how much money is being generated from TV. Will be interesting to see who the real winners are in this. People mention Alabama, etc. but Bama, Clemson, and some of the current SEC schools are not rich like Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame and some others. I would think the Alabamas would also have trouble keeping up.
I'm not all excited about this new NIL and transfer crap but I'm donating because I really, really enjpy those 12 Saturdays each fall. And if not me, then who?
So tell me this. If a kid comes to play for Iowa, say a 3 star recruit. He is given $15,000.00a year. He red shirts the 1st year, But still learning techniques and other tools. 2nd Year he gets a little playing and is still learning. 3rd year becomes a starter because the college coaches groomed him into what he is. After the 3rd year he decides to go to the portal to see how much he can get. Is that fair to the to the school and the coaches. Usually if you are in an apprenticeship program you are required to finish to be able to move on to the next level. You cant have your cake and eat it too.
Obviously that's a big issue. NIL isn't going away so the only way to alleviate the problem is to remove the free transfer and go back to a mandatory 1 year out.
This is why I think there needs to be some kind of contract between the player and the school,.. Developmental players like you describe might need to commit to a specified multi year term,... Where as a 5 star recruit, coming in ready to play, would be more likely to negotiate a one year deal..
Coincidentally you leave off the word directly before that statement. It's almost as if I never said things were completely level but you don't want to acknowledge that.
Your poor attempt at strawmanning aside, just because things weren't level before, doesn't mean they're not worse now.
That’s your opinion. Don’t like where the puck is going, fine, don’t watch. Iowa and college fb will find a way to go on.
Except where it inevitably begins to hurt all college athletics at all levels, which is exactly what many coaches fear right now.
I don't care if KF makes a million or two less per year. I do care if the small colleges that survive on athletics drawing students in begin to lose the funding they rely on to operate those teams.
Nice strawman, but I think my meaning was clear.
I don't think there is any realistic risk. And I don't think he is truly worried about legal ramifications. I think he just wants to protect the money his department gets from donors. I don't think he wants to share with the players.
I completely agree with that. My preference would be for players to unionize and collectively bargain for a piece of the overall revenue pie and then for universities to be banned from having any involvement with players marketing themselves.
But until that happens, I think this is the way it has to be, because it's complete bullshit for players to be completely cut out when they are the ones producing that value.
EDIT: *As a fan* the way I would want this to happen is for players to bargain with the conference. So, the conference makes 1 billion or whatever, a portion of that money is distributed evenly to all players in the conference (after all, their "likeness" is part of the TV product) or according to some system (maybe starters, 2 deep/rotational players get more) that enables players on every team to be paid equally, and the rest is distributed to the schools. That would encourage competitive balance within the conferences, at least. But at that point, Title IX concerns would probably be very real. There could be an argument that the players aren't being paid for playing, but for the TV revenue generated by their likenesses (revenue not generated by college golf or rowing, for example). But IDK how courts would see it, or even what my opinion would be.
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That was on the way to happening but state legislatures jumped the gun with their own NIL bills. And the bolded part is already true.
I can't totally agree with this. What name on the jersey do you realistically think makes more money? The one on the front, or on the back?
I guarantee no-one would know who Spencer Petras was if he played at, say, Idaho instead of Iowa.
