Lawsuit filed against Des Moines Register for ‘misleading subscribers’ with final Iowa poll

[sober_teacher]

I guess the fact that they perhaps tried to interfere with the election, but Trump won by enough to overcome the interference is something the courts can decide and speak to.

Has there been a single iota of evidence to suggest that somehow someway, someone paid Selzer to do a bad poll for Iowa with its whopping 6 electoral votes in the belief that this would influence a few hundred voters in the Midwest?

This is just absolutely insane.

 

[joelbc1]

Lying in media is a bad thing to do.

Does Trump understand this?

 

[SI_NYC]

I don't think the right wants to go down this path

Fox News and Newsmax will freak out if this lawsuit is successful.

 

[BioHawk]

Fox News and Newsmax will freak out if this lawsuit is successful.

I was just thinking this. Imagine how bad it will be for Trump if he makes it so you can sue people for being wrong about something.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

I don't think the premise is dumb. People thinking a given election is close or not close absolutely drives turnout. If Iowa had been breaking substantially Blue, it would stand to reason that Harris was about to win in a landslide and the election day turnout would undeniably be suppressed. And, of course, election day turnout is fully agreed to lean hard RED.

I think the lawsuit will be very interesting.

I don't think an outlier poll has that effect. If a bunch of polling agencies colluded I think a argument could be made...

 

[lucas80]

Remember when the left was for the working class and the under represented? Now they are the party of rich leftists and major corporations and anti American subversives like Soros, turning their backs on everything you once stood for.

Have you looked at Trump’s cabinet picks and who will staff top positions?
Also, you forgot to mention trans kids and the DEI, while forgetting to mention who was harmed by this poll, and who would have standing to file this lawsuit?

 

[hawkedoff]

Not true. But I realize it's a matter of faith for you, so it doesn't matter.

Yes it absolutely is true.

 

[hawkedoff]

For this to become even marginally interesting they would need to sell the premise that Selzer was willing to sacrifice her career as a pollster in an attempt to influence the vote in some unknown fashion,... Extremely hard sell.

Well she did exactly that. She retired when people started demanding to see her raw data rather than share the information. The lawsuit may or may not have standing but her behavior most certainly is open to question.

If a meme can be election interference and send someone to prison this most certainly is open game.

 

[Crafty Beaver]

Has there been a single iota of evidence to suggest that somehow someway, someone paid Selzer to do a bad poll for Iowa with its whopping 6 electoral votes in the belief that this would influence a few hundred voters in the Midwest?

This is just absolutely insane.

Well she did retire right after the election.

And as to the rest, the results of the poll was national news & was being used to promote the supposed momentum of the Harris campaign.

 

[sober_teacher]

Well she did retire right after the election.

And as to the rest, the results of the poll was national news & was being used to promote the supposed momentum of the Harris campaign.

She was already planning to retire.

I don’t recall any complaints from the right 4 years ago when her final polls showed a much closer race than most.

 

[Crafty Beaver]

She was already planning to retire.

Could be true...could be a convenient out. She hadn't publicly announced her retirement.

Listen, this whole thing could be a nothing-burger once all of her methodology and sample is subject to discovery. But we should all be concerned about a legacy media that tries to massage the news, rather than simply report it. So, it's worth investigating, imo.

 

[sober_teacher]

Could be true...could be a convenient out. She hadn't publicly announced her retirement.

Listen, this whole thing could be a nothing-burger once all of her methodology and sample is subject to discovery. But we should all be concerned about a legacy media that tries to massage the news, rather than simply report it. So, it's worth investigating, imo.

Feel like you should need more vague concerns before making an accusation/lawsuit like this.

There’s zero reason anyone should get to see her methodology or data unless they have something concrete. Most pollsters will guard the info on how they produce their polls, it’s proprietary data.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

Seriously?

Does Trump understand this?

No but it isn’t relevant to the topic.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

Bad poll results isn’t lying.

And there’s no harmed party here.

No way it wasn’t jaded. Maybe even would be a mistake. She lied

 

[sober_teacher]

No way it wasn’t jaded. Maybe even would be a mistake. She lied

Based on what do you say she’s lying?

 

[StormHawk42]

No way it wasn’t jaded. Maybe even would be a mistake. She lied

Was she lying when she called Trump to win by exact margins in 2016 and 2020?

Get a grip

 

[Crafty Beaver]

Feel like you should need more vague concerns before making an accusation/lawsuit like this.

There’s zero reason anyone should get to see her methodology or data unless they have something concrete. Most pollsters will guard the info on how they produce their polls, it’s proprietary data.

Being off an impossible magnitude, based on a statistically significant sample warrants an inquiry.

Especially when she puts her poll out 24 hours from the election, then abruptly retires.

If it's simply a mistake, discovery will uncover it and the case will get tossed.

 

[sober_teacher]

Being off an impossible magnitude, based on a statistically significant sample warrants an inquiry.

Especially when she puts her poll out 24 hours from the election, then abruptly retires.

If it's simply a mistake, discovery will uncover it and the case will get tossed.

An impossible magnitude? You’re hilarious.

No, a bad poll does not a court case warrant. This case should get tossed for many, many reasons.

 

[StormHawk42]

Being off an impossible magnitude, based on a statistically significant sample warrants an inquiry.

Especially when she puts her poll out 24 hours from the election, then abruptly retires.

If it's simply a mistake, discovery will uncover it and the case will get tossed.

She always puts that poll out two days before the election. Always.

She retired because her reputation is damaged beyond repair. Case over. Hopefully these fuks get hit with sanctions or a countersuit.

 

[hawkedoff]

She always puts that poll out two days before the election. Always.

She retired because her reputation is damaged beyond repair. Case over. Hopefully these fuks get hit with sanctions or a countersuit.

Or she attempted to interfere in the election and doesn't want that to be discovered and prosecuted.

 

[sober_teacher]

Or she attempted to interfere in the election and doesn't want that to be discovered and prosecuted.

Someone really needs to provide evidence to back up this accusation.

 

[mnole03]

Or she attempted to interfere in the election and doesn't want that to be discovered and prosecuted.

What evidence is there to that effect.

 

[sober_teacher]

What evidence is there to that effect.

It’s evidently stored in the same file as the voter fraud.

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

The left sent a man to prison for a meme

 

[lucas80]

She always puts that poll out two days before the election. Always.

She retired because her reputation is damaged beyond repair. Case over. Hopefully these fuks get hit with sanctions or a countersuit.

It would be really nice if state bar associations made examples of some of the lawyers filing Trump's nuisance suits

 

[StormHawk42]

It would be really nice if state bar associations made examples of some of the lawyers filing Trump's nuisance suits

Different states have different rules but in Iowa, that would fall to the state court’s attorney disciplinary commission. Laypersons can file complaints but the commission doesn’t really get to decide the frivolous nature of the claims. Ultimately, the judge in the case would have to issue sanctions. That’s what I’ve been most disappointed in for these nuisance suits. The judges haven’t been harsh enough. Except in Giuliani’s case.

 

[WadeLookingbill]

It would be really nice if state bar associations made examples of some of the lawyers filing Trump's nuisance suits

Some Trump trash has been dealt with in CO:

Colorado suspends ex-Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis’ law license for 3 years over Georgia election lies

Jenna Ellis, a Colorado native and former lawyer for then-President Donald Trump in 2020, will not be allowed to practice law in Colorado for at least three years under an agreement approved Tuesda…

www.denverpost.com

"Jenna Ellis, a Colorado native and former lawyer for then-President Donald Trump in 2020, will not be allowed to practice law in Colorado for at least three years under an agreement approved Tuesday by the Colorado Supreme Court.
"In her letter, Ellis wrote that she “turned a blind eye” to the possibility that senior lawyers for the Trump campaign could be sharing false information as part of a “cynical ‘Stop the Steal’ campaign.”

“In (accepting the suspension), I will hopefully encourage others who may still believe that the election was ‘stolen’ to consider changing their position,” Ellis wrote. “Everything that has come out since has not proven that claim.”

 

[WadeLookingbill]

Or she attempted to interfere in the election and doesn't want that to be discovered and prosecuted.

Yes, by retiring she can't be "discovered" or "prosecuted." lol.

If those polled gave bad data to her, should they be sued?

 

[joelbc1]

She always puts that poll out two days before the election. Always.

She retired because her reputation is damaged beyond repair. Case over. Hopefully these fuks get hit with sanctions or a countersuit.

She “retired” from The Register a year ago. This was her last Register poll. They made a public announcement just before the final poll was released. But she and The Register both knew last Spring, this poll was it.
The results of this poll has zero effect on any decision made. Her reputation is hardly “damaged beyond control”… you would shit if you knew who some of her Iowa business clients are today. Her reputation as a pollster is or merry solid though. Did Dewey sue his pollsters back in ‘48?