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Let’s be honest

Anyone need proof, see David Taylor's first year recruiting at Oklahoma State. Yes, a name can make a difference.
If Taylor had taken stars job instead of head coach at OSU, you would absolutely see an immediate difference in our level of recruiting.
Have you ever read about Brands first recruiting class?
 
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Have you ever read about Brands first recruiting class?
Si, been a Hawk fan since 81 @mcpat

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Either is M* or big Bob so what's your point?

He’s the one who made the point. My point remains the same: why drool over a guy who’s achieved nothing as a D1 assistant? If he wrestled at Michigan we wouldn’t be having this conversation. That should be reason enough.

Hiring a guy because he was super nice and wrestled at Iowa is not a great strategy. One could argue that’s a big part the problem we have currently. Why propagate it?
 
Have you ever read about Brands first recruiting class?
You guys have Nick Lee now as an assistant, Cael is smart. Every young wrestler who is anyone in the USA knows who Nick Lee is.
Star, ehhh.....no.
We need to get with it.
We have Star and Telford, who no one really knew who they were in their prime, let alone now.
Talking nationally.
Yes, I'm aware they are great people and had great high school careers.
Nationally, not so much.
I'm going to get bashed for this, but it's just the truth.
 
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The best 184 lb does not wrestle. Lost to the four time champ on a BS call.

The best 174 lb lost tonight at 184 lb.

The 174 lb lost.

Makes sense if you don’t think about it.
Do you think Gabe beats Kennedy? I think it’s pretty close. Iowa is going to need a 197lber. Why not just beef up Angelo. He’s got the frame to easily do it but if you don’t then does 197 become a weight where you have to get a transfer? Anyone know any decent possibly 197 transfers?
Or are you counting on beefing up Ludington and starting him? Gonna be interesting.
 
Do you think Gabe beats Kennedy? I think it’s pretty close. Iowa is going to need a 197lber. Why not just beef up Angelo. He’s got the frame to easily do it but if you don’t then does 197 become a weight where you have to get a transfer? Anyone know any decent possibly 197 transfers?
Or are you counting on beefing up Ludington and starting him? Gonna be interesting.
I think Gabe will be more effective at 174, he is just too short at 184.
 
M* doesn't have anything that Kem couldn't have in a very short amount of time. Kem>Marinelli or Young. Kem is a Pa boy and would help open up more doors there and every kid has heard his name more than M*. You're obviously a M* fan, I'm for making our program better and there are dozens of names that would help Iowa more than Ryan.
We all have opinions and we can agree to disagree about this one.
 
Do you think Gabe beats Kennedy? I think it’s pretty close. Iowa is going to need a 197lber. Why not just beef up Angelo. He’s got the frame to easily do it but if you don’t then does 197 become a weight where you have to get a transfer? Anyone know any decent possibly 197 transfers?
Or are you counting on beefing up Ludington and starting him? Gonna be interesting.
My guess is they RS Ludington and he's a 197. Can fill 197 next year with a 1 year portal guy
 
It feels like Gabe is going to be the classic high recruit that TnT takes backwards with their various decisions over time. He’s a 174, no 184, other guy gets the better starts, he’s on a pitch count, let him get frustrated and say un needed things, then fans get all over him in person and on line. All preventable stuff where he could have an optimized career instead he now feels discombobulated (and yanked around)
 
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Nashville how could you like this idiots post?
I was liking the fact that he is so close to Star. I know the right choice was to keep the shirt but a whole lot of me wanted to unleash Angelo like we did Spencer and hope that we got the same result. Star is one of my least favorite PSU wrestlers and despite his insane defense I definitely think he’s beatable.
 
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Do you think Gabe beats Kennedy? I think it’s pretty close. Iowa is going to need a 197lber. Why not just beef up Angelo. He’s got the frame to easily do it but if you don’t then does 197 become a weight where you have to get a transfer? Anyone know any decent possibly 197 transfers?
Or are you counting on beefing up Ludington and starting him? Gonna be interesting.
I’m not sure that Angelo would want to bump up only to meet his brother in the finals at nationals next year.
 
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It feels like Gabe is going to be the classic high recruit that TnT takes backwards with their various decisions over time. He’s a 174, no 184, other guy gets the better starts, he’s on a pitch count, let him get frustrated and say un needed things, then fans get all over him in person and on line. All preventable stuff where he could have an optimized career instead he now feels discombobulated (and yanked around)
You're just the typical psu moran
 
It feels like Gabe is going to be the classic high recruit that TnT takes backwards with their various decisions over time. He’s a 174, no 184, other guy gets the better starts, he’s on a pitch count, let him get frustrated and say un needed things, then fans get all over him in person and on line. All preventable stuff where he could have an optimized career instead he now feels discombobulated (and yanked around)
Always much more going on behind the scenes than fans are aware. We watch the wrestling and think that's why all the decisions are being made much more goes into it .
 
It feels like Gabe is going to be the classic high recruit that TnT takes backwards with their various decisions over time. He’s a 174, no 184, other guy gets the better starts, he’s on a pitch count, let him get frustrated and say un needed things, then fans get all over him in person and on line. All preventable stuff where he could have an optimized career instead he now feels discombobulated (and yanked around)
Melodramatic much? He is fine. Give him some time
 
Star recruits and has an excellent relationship with the team. Is he exciting or a national name…no. His style was boring but I’d say for what he’s been asked to do he’s exceeded expectations. Bobby I haven’t heard much great or bad about. Jden cox or someone of that ilk would be an upgrade.
 
M* doesn't have anything that Kem couldn't have in a very short amount of time. Kem>Marinelli or Young. Kem is a Pa boy and would help open up more doors there and every kid has heard his name more than M*. You're obviously a M* fan, I'm for making our program better and there are dozens of names that would help Iowa more than Ryan.
Instead of replacing coaches I think it would be more beneficial to get more senior level talent in the HWC.
 
Gabe is maybe 5’7. He could’ve easily cut the weight this year.
There's a difference in piss pounding kids your age in high school and wrestling guys 21-24 years old in college dropping 10-15 lbs now.
And with as much as these guys wrestle BEFORE college...what they do as freshmen might be their peak.
You can't assume the results improve between first year and senior season.
A career like Kennedy is very possible.
 
Disagree. His offense is at least partly limited bc he's undersized for the weight. At 74 he'll be one of the physically stronger guys whereas he's definitely not at 84. That goes a long way when it comes to effective offense.
GA has never been real offensive no matter the weight. Everybody knows you avoid getting taken down by him and take it to 3rd period and you have a chance to win. Kennedy beats up on average guys and has nothing for good wrestlers. He’d had his chances. He’s doesn’t have AA skills barring a lucky unfolding of his bracket.
 
Oh come on. Unless you want to go full Jeff Gillooly on half of PSU’s lineup, then I’d say put him out there. It wouldn’t be a waste of a year.

People shit their pants over Estrada burning his shirt, and chances are that will have little to no effect on future success. So, you wrestle Ferrari to have a 0.0001% chance at winning it all. That’s reckless stupidity.

Nobody is giving up. Except Tom and Terry Brands, according to you. Thankfully, they are betting on Iowa wrestling existing beyond 2025.

This is “no seatbelts, we die like men” thinking.
Does anyone know if Gillooly has been paroled yet? Great job thinking outside the box.
 
I do wonder if they would get more points in the NCAAs if GA was at 174 and AF at 184.
Nothing against PK, but I don't see him as a better option to score team points.
I think you do what is best for the team and the wrestler. I agree with Brands holding Ferrari out. AF wrestling doesn’t help us win a National Championship this year. Keeping him around is better for the program.
 
Do you think Gabe beats Kennedy? I think it’s pretty close. Iowa is going to need a 197lber. Why not just beef up Angelo. He’s got the frame to easily do it but if you don’t then does 197 become a weight where you have to get a transfer? Anyone know any decent possibly 197 transfers?
Or are you counting on beefing up Ludington and starting him? Gonna be interesting.
Rocky Elam 197 1 year left
 
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