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Let's start with the easy part first. Non Conference predictions

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Just three questions...

#1 - Does anyone honestly think Miami of Ohio has the slightest(over 1%) chance against the Hawks this year?

#2 - Its Iowa State so they will surely give us all they got. But does anyone give ISU anything more than a punchers chance against Iowa in Iowa City in 2016?

#3 - I know its fashionable to predict a catastrophic defeat at the hands of a very robust North Dakota State this year, but is that anymore realistic than those that predicted a similar outcome in 2015 against Illinois State?

Looking at those three games I see no way the Hawkeyes start out less than 3-0. Am I wrong?
 
soybean said:
Just three questions...

#1 - Does anyone honestly think Miami of Ohio has the slightest(over 1%) chance against the Hawks this year?

#2 - Its Iowa State so they will surely give us all they got. But does anyone give ISU anything more than a punchers chance against Iowa in Iowa City in 2016?

#3 - I know its fashionable to predict a catastrophic defeat at the hands of a very robust North Dakota State this year, but is that anymore realistic than those that predicted a similar outcome in 2015 against Illinois State?

Looking at those three games I see no way the Hawkeyes start out less than 3-0. Am I wrong?
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Miami will be an easy win. Spread is something like Iowa -28.5 in fact.

Iowa State will always be a tough one. They bring so much emotion to this one. That said, Hawks will win this year and I'm pretty comfortable in saying that.

NDSU is probably the best of the non-conference foes. They scare me and for good reason, as they are like Boise State from 10 years ago putting a lot of emphasis on their chance to "prove" they belong with the big boys. They also have a lot of returning starters. This is a game, perhaps more than any other, where Iowa just needs to take care of the ball and wear them out so that it ends something like 31-17 and really is never in doubt.
 
Pepperman said:
Miami will be an easy win. Spread is something like Iowa -28.5 in fact.

Iowa State will always be a tough one. They bring so much emotion to this one. That said, Hawks will win this year and I'm pretty comfortable in saying that.

NDSU is probably the best of the non-conference foes. They scare me and for good reason, as they are like Boise State from 10 years ago putting a lot of emphasis on their chance to "prove" they belong with the big boys. They also have a lot of returning starters. This is a game, perhaps more than any other, where Iowa just needs to take care of the ball and wear them out so that it ends something like 31-17 and really is never in doubt.
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I think Iowa brings more emotion into that game as of late in my honest opinion.
 
CyCity said:
I think Iowa brings more emotion into that game as of late in my honest opinion.
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Iowa has lost two in a row to Iowa State at Kinnick--the first loss was to a mediocre Iowa State team, the second to a terrible Iowa State team. If Iowa doesn't come out ready to completely kick their ass this year, something is wrong.

I actually think Iowa wins big this year. Iowa 38 Iowa State 13.

I also like Iowa to be undefeated in the non-conference slate.
 
EZ2BJZ said:
Iowa has lost two in a row to Iowa State at Kinnick--the first loss was to a mediocre Iowa State team, the second to a terrible Iowa State team. If Iowa doesn't come out ready to completely kick their ass this year, something is wrong.

I actually think Iowa wins big this year. Iowa 38 Iowa State 13.

I also like Iowa to be undefeated in the non-conference slate.
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Iowa was pretty bad in 2012 and mediocre in 2014.
 
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I just looked at ISU's fall depth chart. Ouch. Both lines are suspect except for Tucker and Campos and so are their linebackers. If Warren gets hurt, things could go from bad to worse fast for them. I get the excitement for a new coach but don't get how some could think they are going to make a bowl game with that roster. Stranger things have happened I guess.

Iowa will go 3-0 in the non con
 
CyCity said:
Iowa was pretty bad in 2012 and mediocre in 2014.
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I would agree with bad and mediocre. Notable differences between then and 2015 was leadership and not having a fullback be your every down running back. Linebacker play in 2014 was horrible too. Even so, Iowa should have never lost to Iowa State either year.

Regardless, the fact that Iowa has lost two in a row in Kinnick has to be a motivating factor. Whether Iowa was good, bad, ugly, mediocre, or downright dreadful those years, is irrelevant.
 
EZ2BJZ said:
I would agree with bad and mediocre. Notable differences between then and 2015 was leadership and not having a fullback be your every down running back. Linebacker play in 2014 was horrible too. Even so, Iowa should have never lost to Iowa State either year.

Regardless, the fact that Iowa has lost two in a row in Kinnick has to be a motivating factor. Whether Iowa was good, bad, ugly, mediocre, or downright dreadful those years, is irrelevant.
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I don't think Iowa ever lacks motivation in the series. I think some fans just use it as a crutch for trying to figure out why Iowa loses half the time to a bad football program
 
NDSt just may be the toughest and it would scare me more if it was game #1, but since it is the third game our offense should be set and the defense just as ready. We will also have 2016 game film on them.
 
CyCity said:
I don't think Iowa ever lacks motivation in the series. I think some fans just use it as a crutch for trying to figure out why Iowa loses half the time to a bad football program
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I don't dispute that at all. In fact, I've always maintained 1) many years the talent gap between the two teams isn't that big (a position I usually get roasted for) and 2) Iowa under Ferentz traditionally starts slow out of the gate which benefits Iowa State.

The Iowa/Iowa State rivalry is unique because there aren't many rivalries that I'm aware of outside of Notre Dame vs. USC/Michigan etc. in which the two rivals are from different conferences. If Iowa State was playing Iowa later in the season when most rivalry games are played, I would bet a pretty penny Ferentz's record against Iowa State would be well above .500.
 
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EZ2BJZ said:
I don't dispute that at all. In fact, I've always maintained 1) many years the talent gap between the two teams isn't that big (a position I usually get roasted for) and 2) Iowa under Ferentz traditionally starts slow out of the gate which benefits Iowa State.

The Iowa/Iowa State rivalry is unique because there aren't many rivalries that I'm aware of outside of Notre Dame vs. USC/Michigan etc. in which the two rivals are from different conferences. If Iowa State was playing Iowa later in the season when most rivalry games are played, I would bet a pretty penny Ferentz's record against Iowa State would be well above .500.
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I agree with this. Usually depth is something that hurts Iowa State as the season goes along. They did win in 2001 when they did play at the end of the year though when they were pretty even talent wise that season.
 
CyCity said:
I agree with this. Usually depth is something that hurts Iowa State as the season goes along. They did win in 2001 when they did play at the end of the year though when they were pretty even talent wise that season.
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Yes, I know. I was at the game. Seneca Wallace was a special talent. But clearly if you factored in how both teams were performing after September from year to year, there is a major difference.

Depth is an issue for most teams anywhere not named Ohio State or Alabama.
 
ISU was dead even with the Hawks with 2:30 to go in the 4th quarter this past year, on a team that went 3-9. That Hawkeye team may have been one of the best ever. What happens if Vandeberg isn't paying attention downfield when HKC gives the extra effort to get to the end zone but ends up coughing it up? We get 7 points on that play ... could EASILY have been Cyclone ball going the other way.

That was a really lame ISU team, too. I will never assume a win against the Cyclones, because often times the team that wants it more wins, regardless of talent. ISU almost always wants it more. I wish it weren't true, believe me, but I think it is. Not sure what kind of wrinkles Matt Campbell may have up his sleeve. We will have a grand total of 1 game film to review.

NDSU scares the crap out of me and you know they are confident that they can beat D1 teams. I think they are undefeated against D1 teams in the last 6 years. They will be completely jacked up. Games are won in the trenches, though, and hopefully our OLine and DLine win the day.

I am hoping and expecting 3 - 0. I wouldn't be shocked if we were 1 -2. I will be very shocked if Miami gives us a game. It would be nice to put a big number on them early in order to get the 2nd team Offense and Defense in the game for experience.
 
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David1979 said:
I just looked at ISU's fall depth chart. Ouch. Both lines are suspect except for Tucker and Campos and so are their linebackers. If Warren gets hurt, things could go from bad to worse fast for them. I get the excitement for a new coach but don't get how some could think they are going to make a bowl game with that roster. Stranger things have happened I guess.

Iowa will go 3-0 in the non con
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The offensive line is extremely suspect. The other areas of the team don't look all that bad. Will they make a bowl game? Highly unlikely with their schedule. Will they be better than a lot of bowl teams? Sure.
 
TKingpin said:
ISU was dead even with the Hawks with 2:30 to go in the 4th quarter this past year, on a team that went 3-9. That Hawkeye team may have been one of the best ever. What happens if Vandeberg isn't paying attention downfield when HKC gives the extra effort to get to the end zone but ends up coughing it up? We get 7 points on that play ... could EASILY have been Cyclone ball going the other way.

That was a really lame ISU team, too. I will never assume a win against the Cyclones, because often times the team that wants it more wins, regardless of talent. ISU almost always wants it more. I wish it weren't true, believe me, but I think it is. Not sure what kind of wrinkles Matt Campbell may have up his sleeve. We will have a grand total of 1 game film to review.

NDSU scares the crap out of me and you know they are confident that they can beat D1 teams. I think they are undefeated against D1 teams in the last 6 years. They will be completely jacked up. Games are won in the trenches, though, and hopefully our OLine and DLine win the day.

I am hoping and expecting 3 - 0. I wouldn't be shocked if we were 1 -2. I will be very shocked if Miami gives us a game. It would be nice to put a big number on them early in order to get the 2nd team Offense and Defense in the game for experience.
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Often the team that wants it more wins regardless of talent. Nobody can possibly believe that or believe Iowa State wants to win more than Iowa does.
 
CyCity said:
Often the team that wants it more wins regardless of talent. Nobody can possibly believe that or believe Iowa State wants to win more than Iowa does.
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So you're saying psychology doesn't play into sports? You better believe it does. Anyone who has ever played competitive sports will attest to that.

I don't know that "Iowa State wants it more" or "Iowa never plays up for ISU" is even the issue. This is a rivalry game. The kids know it, the coaches know it. The question is who usually has the psychological edge going into this game. I would argue Iowa State does. Why? Because they're never expected to win or favored to win. Therefore, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. They can play loose and pull out all the stops.

Iowa, on the other hand, has the pressure of "not losing the game." And that is the psychological disadvantage Iowa has to contend with. They are expected to win, so it makes perfect sense, especially early in the year, why they would play tight and not always perform well against Iowa State. It's more about "not losing" for Iowa than it is about "winning." Does that mean they should have lost to Iowa State as much as they have under Ferentz? Of course not. But again, as we've discussed before, some years the talent gap was minimal at best.

Regardless, the reason I like Iowa to win big this year is 1) they have a better team on both sides of the ball and 2) the psychological disadvantage will not be part of this year's contest because Iowa has something to prove since they've lost the last two at Kinnick. Believe me, Iowa will be playing to win this year. And barring something unforeseen, they should win big this year.
 
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EZ2BJZ said:
So you're saying psychology doesn't play into sports? You better believe it does. Anyone who has ever played competitive sports will attest to that.

I don't know that "Iowa State wants it more" or "Iowa never plays up for ISU" is even the issue. This is a rivalry game. The kids know it, the coaches know it. The question is who usually has the psychological edge going into this game. I would argue Iowa State does. Why? Because they're never expected to win or favored to win. Therefore, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. They can play loose and pull out all the stops.

Iowa, on the other hand, has the pressure of "not losing the game." And that is the psychological disadvantage Iowa has to contend with. They are expected to win, so it makes perfect sense, especially early in the year, why they would play tight and not always perform well against Iowa State. It's more about "not losing" for Iowa than it is about "winning." Does that mean they should have lost to Iowa State as much as they have under Ferentz? Of course not. But again, as we've discussed before, some years the talent gap was minimal at best.

Regardless, the reason I like Iowa to win big this year is 1) they have a better team on both sides of the ball and 2) the psychological disadvantage will not be part of this year's contest because Iowa has something to prove since they've lost the last two at Kinnick. Believe me, Iowa will be playing to win this year. And barring something unforeseen, they should win big this year.
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I don't think Iowa State wants to win the game more than Iowa does. I don't think Iowa State plays with nothing to lose while Iowa plays tight either. Look at the years when Iowa State wins the game, usually it's because Iowa isn't that good
 
CyCity said:
I don't think Iowa State wants to win the game more than Iowa does. I don't think Iowa State plays with nothing to lose while Iowa plays tight either. Look at the years when Iowa State wins the game, usually it's because Iowa isn't that good
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In response to sentence 1: Yes, that's exactly what I said.
In response to sentence 2: Disagree completely.
In response to sentence 3: Yes, I conceded there are years when the talent gap is minimal and Iowa State has come out the taller midget by 1 or 2 points.
 
3-0. Iowa will feature one of the best defenses in the B10 - can the Hawks hold all 3 opponents under 21 points? I'm guessing the 2nd D unit allows a couple late, inconsequential scores.
 
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I have already put money on the HAWKEYES to again go undefeated in the regular season. So enough said from me about the non con schedule.

As far as my non con predictions go here they are for what there worth.

HAWKS - 55
Miami (OH) 3 (no chance)

HAWKS - 69
clown sucking u - 10 (this is not 2002 iclown or the last 2 times the clowns have been at Kinnick )

HAWKS - 44
ND ST. - 17 (hands down the best team the HAWKEYES play in the non con)
 
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soybean said:
Just three questions...

#1 - Does anyone honestly think Miami of Ohio has the slightest(over 1%) chance against the Hawks this year?

#2 - Its Iowa State so they will surely give us all they got. But does anyone give ISU anything more than a punchers chance against Iowa in Iowa City in 2016?

#3 - I know its fashionable to predict a catastrophic defeat at the hands of a very robust North Dakota State this year, but is that anymore realistic than those that predicted a similar outcome in 2015 against Illinois State?

Looking at those three games I see no way the Hawkeyes start out less than 3-0. Am I wrong?
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I see us going undefeated in the non-con. Looking at the B1G schedule, NW, MN, Wisc, Penn St., Mich, IL and Neb all could be tough games, but I think the only game we shouldn't be favored (given decent health) is Michigan. Gonna be an interesting year.
 
I think the Hawks will be 3-0 after these games. I"m not worried about Miami or NDSU, but I'm a little wary of Iowa State. Like everyone has stated in this thread, ISU is always way up for Iowa, and Matt Campbell has done pretty well in his young coaching career, so far. He brings something different to ISU than the down home, good ol' boy, goober type they usually hire. I'll be interested to see how he does in his first game against ISU's biggest rival.
GO HAWKS!
 
CyCity said:
I don't think Iowa State wants to win the game more than Iowa does. I don't think Iowa State plays with nothing to lose while Iowa plays tight either. Look at the years when Iowa State wins the game, usually it's because Iowa isn't that good
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Since we're doing all this thinking, I think you're wrong.

There are 2 reasons Iowa State has been successful against Iowa recently, when they have absolutely no business doing so.

Reason #1 = Kirk

Reason#2 = Ferentz

It's that simple for me.

Fortunately I think C.J. Beathard is good enough to win most games in spite of The Captain. Once he's gone all bets are off.
 
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Since we're doing all this thinking, I think you're wrong.

There are 2 reasons Iowa State has been successful against Iowa recently, when they have absolutely no business doing so.

Reason #1 = Kirk

Reason#2 = Ferentz

It's that simple for me.

Fortunately I think C.J. Beathard is good enough to win most games in spite of The Captain. Once he's gone all bets are off.
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How many good Iowa teams has Iowa State beaten? One or two maybe?
 
CyCity said:
How many good Iowa teams has Iowa State beaten? One or two maybe?
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Depends upon how you define "good." I'm thinking at least a half dozen times Iowa has gone to a bowl game after losing to ISU, once to the Rose and once to the Orange, so those weren't bad teams.
 
CyCity said:
I don't think Iowa ever lacks motivation in the series. I think some fans just use it as a crutch for trying to figure out why Iowa loses half the time to a bad football program
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No different than Iowa losing to northwestern. jNW and isu both do the same thing they circle the Iowa game. Except for jNW it usually doesn't make their season with a win.
 
CyCity said:
How many good Iowa teams has Iowa State beaten? One or two maybe?
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In my view, one great one and one mediocre one.

That would just be the Ferentz era, and I might go as far as 3 mediocre ones: '01, '05, '14.
 
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