Not really. After the Minny game it wasn't inconceivable that the Hawks coukd get to 12-0.
isu fan saying they wanted Bama after winning a whopping 5 games in 2 years was delusional.
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Not really. After the Minny game it wasn't inconceivable that the Hawks coukd get to 12-0.
isu fan saying they wanted Bama after winning a whopping 5 games in 2 years was delusional.
Perhaps all but once (Kirks 1st year I presume they beat Iowa) they beat an Iowa team that was better than they were, regardless of how "good" Iowa was by years end. Iowa's horsecrap teams are still typically better than Iowa States "good" teams. That is my point of contention.
And believe it or not, I say that with no malice towards Iowa State. I just consider it fact.
Pretty much this. The only ISU team that lost when they may have been the better team was 1977. At least that any of us can remember. Iowa may have, or was a better team in 81', 82', 01', 02', 07', 11', and 14'. Iowa has a knack for finding a way to lose nearly every single time it is even plausible. There have been a few years when ISU was clearly better, and Iowa nearly pulled it off, just never finished the deal. 2012 would be one example.
Lots of mediocre teams win bowl games. Iowa in 2001 was one of those, in my view. They were just 6-5 in the regular season. I don't think the bowl victory over a team that lost a home game to Kansas changes that.
Don't get me wrong, however. The 2001 season was highly encouraging, even satisfying, compared to the three previous seasons when Iowa went an aggregate 7-27.
That's simply wrong. Those were years when Iowa ended up having a better season; the Hawks were not the better team when the teams played.
In '81, for example, more than halfway through the season ISU was ranked #6 by Sports Illustrated, #10 by UPI and #11 by AP -- in all cases, significantly higher than Iowa. Cyclones had just clobbered #8 Missouri 34-13.
Very similar to '02.
As for '82, nobody who saw that game -- I'm assuming you did not -- thought Iowa had the better team. The only remarkable thing about the game was that the margin wasn't bigger. Iowa scored on a pick-six and never crossed midfield offensively.
But we've had this discussion any number of times, and it's really kinda silly. There's no way to resolve it.
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Yes, I'm defining "the better team" as the one who ended up with the better record at the end of the year. I thought that's what he was asking.
If you are not defining the better team as the team that was better when they played, there isn't a whole lot I can say, I guess. The whole point of the discussion is whether the better team won when they played.
Wrong. North Dakota in late Sept is like Iowa in November. They'll come down here and suffer heat exhaustion at a minimum. I'm so confident I'll predict 56-0.
Perhaps another reason ISU seems to play their best game against the Hawks and not against the Big 12, is that of attrition. ISU may still have 21 or 22 of their day 1 starters on the field against Iowa, whereas they may only have 16 or 17 by the time they hit the Big12. They simply never have any quality depth and that is why they can seem like world beaters against us, and then one FG better than Kansas the rest of the year.
In the Rhoades era it was particularly evident on the DLine. Why didn't he go get some Juco talent for back-ups on the DLine? My Goodness...
It seems obvious to everyone outside of Ames that the Clones would be so much better off putting their focus on the Big12 rivalries than on the Iowa game.
In the Rhoades era it was particularly evident on the DLine. Why didn't he go get some Juco talent for back-ups on the DLine? My Goodness...
It seems obvious to everyone outside of Ames that the Clones would be so much better off putting their focus on the Big12 rivalries than on the Iowa game.
So you honestly think ISU puts their focus on the Iowa game like in 2009 and 2010?
Lol that's why people use the other games on the schedule as data points to determine how truly good a team was. There isn't a whole lot people can say to your dumbass argument. "Yeah but ISU was better on that day even though the rest of the schedule showed they were god awful they were better on that day."
Indeed, what high school football player in this country isn't praying every night at their bedside for an Iowa offer?
Yeah, I think the Cyclones (both the players AND the fans) want to win the Iowa game more than any other game on the schedule. You keep pointing to 2009 and 2010 because the Clones got destroyed, as if that shows they simply didn't care that year.
I know this - in weeks where ISU is playing another team, the Iowa jerseys were on display on the practice field. Why?
Link to this?
Didn't Iowa plaster Iowa State posters all over their football facility? Why?
It was a year or 2 ago someone posted pictures here. Had to do with an article on Rhoads at the end of camp before the start of the season before they opened up against UNI or maybe year of NDSU, but anyways in photos showed an Iowa shirt on one of the sleds or tackling dummy for one the drills being done.
Still emphasizes the original posters point of putting extra attention to Iowa as Rhoads did during his era. Why were Iowa jerseys on during spring or summer when Iowa isn't even their first opponent of the season. Or even on them before the week they play Iowa.
Why did Iowa put Iowa State posters all over their football facilities? I don't think even Rhoads would stoop that low
Must ignore. isu grad simply ignores anything and everything that shows their little bro syndrome.
We didn't put isu posters all over the football facilities. Got a link that says otherwise?
So that means Iowa put isu posters all over the football facilities?
Leap often isu grad?
Wait so little bro built a poster of the Iowa post game celebration and then got pissed because someone had the gaul to point out how little brother they are?
More please isu grad.
That was week before the game. The point the other poster was making is isu does this year round with Iowa stuff as you even said for spring and summer ball. Plus you're exaggerating with one poster not all over the entire locker room. It's like before Miami plays FSU they have the annoying FSU chant played all week. Not uncommon to see these things done week prior to playing an in state or rival. But Miami doesn't play FSU war chant in spring game or summer workouts.
As previously stated, all but once I would assume. And if you think I'm gonna do any research to appease you, you've got another thing coming. Do what I do and just watch the games, and think if possible.
I've watched a ton of Iowa versus Iowa State games. Pretty damn rare moment where I sat there and thought "man, these Cyclones are really good". Iowa State is bad at Football. Not my problem and never has been. The fact that Ferentz fails against them and teams like Minnesota on a regular basis doesn't change that.
It's pretty rare where I watch the game and thought "man, these Hawkeyes are really good".
so 35-3 and 35-10 don't impress you. How about 63-20 or 40-21?
Must ignore it is the isu grad way of going through life. Simply ignore everything that shows isu to be well isu.
No one alive today watches an isu game and says "whoa that is a conference championship football team right there". Unless of course they are talking about isu's opponent.
More please is grad.
That's good to know. I for one wouldn't expect a cyclone fan to know what a good football team looks like unless of course their age was in triple digits.
The best part is just how willing they are to tell the world they know nothing about what good football is.
