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Levar Woods - Bucs' with a virtual interview conducted today with Iowa's ST coordinator

Soup Campbell, Kennedy, & Copeland - a revolving door at the WR coaching position. Apparently, all bad coaches!
Campbell wasn't bad at Iowa ... he just didn't mesh well with Greg Davis. That's why we needed to bring in one of Greg's guys.

Kennedy got the boot, along with White, for issues relating to recruiting ... not necessarily for his coaching.

As for Copeland ... I was hopeful given what we saw from Brandon and Ihmir. However, the lack of development by guys like Tracy and Ragaini were glaring failures. Furthermore, there was the issue of player retention. Copeland lost the guys from his room. Now, a hunk of that is on the failures of our blocking, our QB play ... and questionable quality of the coaching by our OC. However, the repeated failure of players to improve ... and the continued inconsistent play by the WRs ultimately falls at his (Copeland's) feet.

In Copeland's defense ... I'd say that some of the success seen by the traitor (aka Charlie Jones) was attributable to Copeland.
 
Not 100% sure but Alabama came hard. He really is loyal to KF and didn’t want to move.

I without question would love him to be our next HC
Some of it certainly is likely loyalty. However, I'd surmise that another part of the equation is that he had a son in high school. Why uproot your kid when he's so far along in high school?

Furthermore, there had been rumors circulating about Saban retiring (evidently, rumors with legs). Why jump to a new gig when there is such uncertainty?

Also, not likely a decider, but the cost of living in Tuscaloosa is 10% higher than IC.
 
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With all due respect, you are cherry picking. ST have been excellent ever since LW took over….and also in the early KF era. Jones, ISM, kickers, net yardage.

If it’s the players that make the coach in LW’s case (your citing Tory and coop), why why doe SW get the credit Higgins, Campbell, jewel. They all won the genetic lottery.

This more than resume. That title was there for LW at other P5s.
There is always an x's and o's and jimmy and joe kind of thing right? And who knows who should really get credit for that stuff?

The way I look at it though is that offense is on the field for like 70-80 plays per game. Defense the same. BF was the offensive coordinator and his job was to coordinate the offense, everything that goes into it in order to have a functional unit. That was play calling, play design, positional coaching details, etc. It could have been a player or coach that screwed up, but ultimately he lost his job, as he should have, because the offense sucked. Conversely, PP gets all the credit for a fantastic defense because it is his job to coordinate it and make sure there is a functional unit, and there has been for quite some time. And both are on display for the majority of the game.

Now special teams, what are they on the field for, maybe 20-25 plays per game. Punting, punt coverage, field goal kicking, kick offs, kick off coverage, field goal kicking defense? The #1 thing when it comes to special teams, outside of the field goal kicker and the punter, is to just not make a mistake. Don't miss an assignment, miss a lane, turn the ball over if you are a returner, don't commit a penalty, etc. Second thing if you are not making a mistake is trying to make plays, like blocking kicks, running kicks back, etc. It is LW's job to coordinate the special teams, just like the OC and the DC. And when you look at the games I mentioned, the special teams made mistakes in the much fewer opportunities than the defense and the offense had. And I am not just talking about letting the Michigan kid run the punt back. What about all of the blocks in the back that were called on us late in the year, or the out of position blockers on punt return team? Like CDJ's return against Minnesota, as great as it was and and all-timer, it shouldn't have gotten called back because of the whole motion thing, it could have gotten called back because of the kid that ran himself out of bounds. Or the kid that ran in front of CDJ against PSU. There are quite a few instances in a small sample size that are a lack of detail that results in mistakes that shift the balance of the game that was already extremely marginal anyway. That is LW's job. I am not saying he is doing a bad job, I am saying that he could do better, and in my opinion before he starts whining about not being an assistant coach I would say focus on your job.

Now SW, look back at the linebackers and count how many times that the competitive balance shifted because a linebacker made a mistake or was out of position. Look at Nick Jackson, an already good linebacker at another school that became great before our eyes, but he didn't start that way. SW has by all accounts done a very solid job.
 
K, but how do each position compare to what is paid for those positions across the country? Seth had offers that were promotions. And obviously Iowa didn’t want him to leave. We have a DC already. So what was the only thing you can do? Add the title and boost the pay. If Levar leaves he probably is not going to be a DC or OC at current level in college. He could go somewhere else to be ST coordinator like he is at Iowa, but would he make any more money than he does now?
This is what I was alluding to in other threads. People who shop themselves around are rewarded. Those that are loyal and stay put aren't. Levar was a LB coach (Coached Hitchens, Kirksey and Morris) but was moved by Kirk to TE where he coached Kittle, Fant and Hockenson. He then was moved to ST coordinator. Was he requesting all of those moves or was it Kirk who just decided to move him. I believe if it was Kirk moving him, he should be paid more than Wallace since he's been at Iowa longer as well as excelled at each position Kirk put him at.
 
Woods may have been coaching at Iowa longer than Wallace, but know that Wallace has significantly more coaching experience. The only coaching experience Woods has is with Iowa and he started in 2008 as a glorified secretary and didnt start coaching LB'ers until 2012. Wallace on the other hand started coaching right after his playing career in 2001, GA'd at Iowa from 06-08, left for 6 years as a positional coach and DC at a smaller school, then came back to Iowa in 2014. Comparing resumes it is not even close as to who is more experienced.

Also, I would imagine that KF didn't do any of this with SW without the approval/suggestion of PP. Like Ghost said too, take away the amazing Cooper Dejean and the great kickers that Iowa has had both with place-kicking and punting, the special teams have really not been all that special. It is the special teams that really cost us the small chance we had to pull off the typical underdog win in the B1G and against PSU.

Saying that I hope they can work it all out because I think everyone loses if LW decides to leave.
I guess we can agree to disagree.
 
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He seemed frustrated with the approach to the offensive philosophy and how they were restricted in recruiting offensive players. He particularly mentioned a QB who Kirk wouldn't give the go ahead to offer. that same QB is now in the NFL.
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With all due respect, you are cherry picking. ST have been excellent ever since LW took over….and also in the early KF era. Jones, ISM, kickers, net yardage.

If it’s the players that make the coach in LW’s case (your citing Tory and coop), why why doe SW get the credit Higgins, Campbell, jewel. They all won the genetic lottery

Some of it certainly is likely loyalty. However, I'd surmise that another part of the equation is that he had a son in high school. Why uproot your kid when he's so far along in high school?

Furthermore, there had been rumors circulating about Saban retiring (evidently, rumors with legs). Why jump to a new gig when there is such uncertainty?

Also, not likely a decider, but the cost of living in Tuscaloosa is 10% higher than IC.
They did, and his kids are important. He’s at a natural transition point now. Bama isnt the only place to give him enticing offers
 
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They did, and his kids are important. He’s at a natural transition point now. Bama isnt the only place to give him enticing offers
Not unlike academia ... it's a resume builder to "spread your wings" and gain experience elsewhere.

Certainly, at Iowa, he has pretty unprecedented job security. However, on the flip side, it's not like Kirk is going to keep on coaching forever either. Of course, Kirk isn't unlike a bunch of prior coaching legends ... football, along with family, are the two drivers in his life. Many of those geezers pretty much coached until they died.
 
I was thinking about this as well. He was coaching at Iowa before Wallace. Previously coached Wallace’s current position and has been one of the best ST coordinators in the country, yet because Wallace continually looks for and applies for other jobs, gets promoted with a bigger paycheck. It’s not a good look to have most of the white coaches making more than the black coaches.
I have thought the same. I have brought this up over the years here. Never understood how he was paid less than Wallace. Now let’s hope Budmayer isn’t named the WR coach…
 
This is what I was alluding to in other threads. People who shop themselves around are rewarded. Those that are loyal and stay put aren't. Levar was a LB coach (Coached Hitchens, Kirksey and Morris) but was moved by Kirk to TE where he coached Kittle, Fant and Hockenson. He then was moved to ST coordinator. Was he requesting all of those moves or was it Kirk who just decided to move him. I believe if it was Kirk moving him, he should be paid more than Wallace since he's been at Iowa longer as well as excelled at each position Kirk put him at.
I'm a fan of Woods ... but you're ignoring Wallace's resume.
 
I'm a fan of Woods ... but you're ignoring Wallace's resume.
But if you’re LeVar, wouldn’t you argue that you haven’t had the chance to build your resume in the same way Wallace has?

Woods has been a team player by transferring from a defensive position coach to an offensive position coach to special teams coordinator even if that was never his ultimate path. The other guy has stayed on just one side of the ball. Woods has apparently, and mostly, been loyal up to this point by not shopping himself around for other jobs.

If I put myself in LeVar’s shoes, it kind of seems like my opportunities have been a bit limited and my value undersold compared to others on the same staff.
 
But if you’re LeVar, wouldn’t you argue that you haven’t had the chance to build your resume in the same way Wallace has?

Woods has been a team player by transferring from a defensive position coach to an offensive position coach to special teams coordinator even if that was never his ultimate path. The other guy has stayed on just one side of the ball. Woods has apparently, and mostly, been loyal up to this point by not shopping himself around for other jobs.

If I put myself in LeVar’s shoes, it kind of seems like my opportunities have been a bit limited and my value undersold compared to others on the same staff.
I like em both, but wouldn't want either one to be the next head coach without interviewing outside names too
 
It's kinda like corporate America no? Can't please everyone at the same time, and there is usually a budget. There has to be respect there, hoping the head Hawkeye can make it right for Woods and Bell this year if true.
 
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But if you’re LeVar, wouldn’t you argue that you haven’t had the chance to build your resume in the same way Wallace has?

Woods has been a team player by transferring from a defensive position coach to an offensive position coach to special teams coordinator even if that was never his ultimate path. The other guy has stayed on just one side of the ball. Woods has apparently, and mostly, been loyal up to this point by not shopping himself around for other jobs.

If I put myself in LeVar’s shoes, it kind of seems like my opportunities have been a bit limited and my value undersold compared to others on the same staff.
Seth left once to get more experience and then came back to Iowa. Seth was being offered DC jobs elsewhere. Iowa did not want to lose him. I am sure he was offered more than $1M to leave for a DC job. Show me where Levar has been offered a promotion outside and offered a lot more money.
 
I'm a fan of Woods ... but you're ignoring Wallace's resume.
Wallace is a good coach, I think. Is he better than Woods? That debatable. He has worked at another school but that doesn't make his resume better than Woods', imo.

@ghostOfHomer777 What about Wallace's resume is so much better than Woods' resume?
 
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Seth left once to get more experience and then came back to Iowa. Seth was being offered DC jobs elsewhere. Iowa did not want to lose him. I am sure he was offered more than $1M to leave for a DC job. Show me where Levar has been offered a promotion outside and offered a lot more money.
This is probably correct. I'm sure that lots of people including the bluebloods have reached out to Phil many times. Anybody rebuffed by Phil is probably going to train their sights on his protégés who have worked the longest for him. Wallace has also been Phil's assistant DC for the past 7 years. If you can't have Phil, he'd be seen as the next best thing.
 
Seth left once to get more experience and then came back to Iowa. Seth was being offered DC jobs elsewhere. Iowa did not want to lose him. I am sure he was offered more than $1M to leave for a DC job. Show me where Levar has been offered a promotion outside and offered a lot more money.
Yes, we know about Wallace’s DC offers, and I’m sure there’s a reason we know about them, too.

Every coach on staff has a different situation, different goals, and different approaches. I’m not saying one thing is better than the other, but the AHC title being given seems to have a message attached whether intended or not.
 
Wallace is a good coach, I think. Is he better than Woods? That debatable. He has worked at another school but that doesn't make his resume better than Woods', imo.

@ghostOfHomer777 What about Wallace's resume is so much better than Woods' resume?
First off, both guys have coordinator experience ... Woods with special teams at Iowa and Wallace with the defense at Valdosta State. So that kinda ends up in a wash.

So then something that might distinguish them relates to player development.
With Wallace's resume:
Seth Benson
Jack Campbell
Jay Higgins

Also, I know that Phil really looks to Wallace as being his "right-hand man." What I don't know is to what degree Seth works with the Cash spot (my guess is minimal ... my guess that is more Phil ... but I could be wrong). Anyhow, if Seth also does some work with the Cash guys ... then pretty much every guy at Cash we've had has ended up "solid gold" ... talking about Hooker, Belton, and now Castro.

I refrain from giving "too much" development ownership relating to Jewell and Niemann ... because those guys were also the product of Reid (same deal with Jackson ... developing under his prior coaches at Virginia).

For Woods, the player development tree looks something like:
George Kittle
Tory Taylor

Both guys are prominent figures for units that have had tremendous success for the Hawks.

Lastly, there is the question of wealth of experience. Wallace has the benefits of having been in the coaching game longer ... essentially pounding that pavement for 10 years longer than Woods. Sometimes that sort of things means little ... because it's all dependent upon what a person does with their experiences. Wallace is a guy who has been a sponge and has seemingly expanded along each step of the way. The point simply being that the experience can (and does) matter.

Of course, every so often, you get a guy like Jim Leonhard ... who is a bit of a football-genius. In those cases ... those guys ascend the ladder at an unnatural speed.

Anyhow, I think that it is a misrepresentation to suggest that Woods has been "passed over." I'd just contend that LeVar just hasn't earned "it" yet. That's no indictment of him. As others have pointed out ... it certainly may benefit him to "spread his wings" and gain some experience elsewhere. I don't want him to see him leave ... but sometimes you don't grow without putting yourself in new and uncomfortable situations. While some folks have suggested that LeVar has been a "team player" by being moved around to different positions ... it actually strikes me that this is an example of "being groomed."
 
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Yes, we know about Wallace’s DC offers, and I’m sure there’s a reason we know about them, too.

Every coach on staff has a different situation, different goals, and different approaches. I’m not saying one thing is better than the other, but the AHC title being given seems to have a message attached whether intended or not.
who offered him a DC position?
 
Funny how people chase title changes without really any added duties. To me it was just a way to pay Seth more because they didn't want him to leave and AD obviously went along with title change to justify pay increase. When asked if duties would be added, the answer was no.

Just come up with some other title for Levar and bump his pay too. Can we NIL him?
Lol.. Do you plan on throwing a bunch of cash in there? People keep wanting $$$ to this player, and that player, and now coaches? Its not some bottomless pit of $$$.....
 
Lol.. Do you plan on throwing a bunch of cash in there? People keep wanting $$$ to this player, and that player, and now coaches? Its not some bottomless pit of $$$.....
7 million in surplus this year without the tv money really kicking in. There is money there, and an extra 2-300k means very little in this.
 
Seth left once to get more experience and then came back to Iowa. Seth was being offered DC jobs elsewhere. Iowa did not want to lose him. I am sure he was offered more than $1M to leave for a DC job. Show me where Levar has been offered a promotion outside and offered a lot more money.
Well, this thread has referenced one of them- a big one. There are others that some of us know about, because of personal relationships. Sharing the employer isn’t ours to share. Because of personal relationships we know KF knew, and he had retention conversations with those that were courted.

Best answer one can provide to your last sentence
 
First off, both guys have coordinator experience ... Woods with special teams at Iowa and Wallace with the defense at Valdosta State. So that kinda ends up in a wash.

So then something that might distinguish them relates to player development.
With Wallace's resume:
Seth Benson
Jack Campbell
Jay Higgins

Also, I know that Phil really looks to Wallace as being his "right-hand man." What I don't know is to what degree Seth works with the Cash spot (my guess is minimal ... my guess that is more Phil ... but I could be wrong). Anyhow, if Seth also does some work with the Cash guys ... then pretty much every guy at Cash we've had has ended up "solid gold" ... talking about Hooker, Belton, and now Castro.

I refrain from giving "too much" development ownership relating to Jewell and Niemann ... because those guys were also the product of Reid (same deal with Jackson ... developing under his prior coaches at Virginia).

For Woods, the player development tree looks something like:
George Kittle
Tory Taylor

Both guys are prominent figures for units that have had tremendous success for the Hawks.

Lastly, there is the question of wealth of experience. Wallace has the benefits of having been in the coaching game longer ... essentially pounding that pavement for 10 years longer than Woods. Sometimes that sort of things means little ... because it's all dependent upon what a person does with their experiences. Wallace is a guy who has been a sponge and has seemingly expanded along each step of the way. The point simply being that the experience can (and does) matter.

Of course, every so often, you get a guy like Jim Leonhard ... who is a bit of a football-genius. In those cases ... those guys ascend the ladder at an unnatural speed.

Anyhow, I think that it is a misrepresentation to suggest that Woods has been "passed over." I'd just contend that LeVar just hasn't earned "it" yet. That's no indictment of him. As others have pointed out ... it certainly may benefit him to "spread his wings" and gain some experience elsewhere. I don't want him to see him leave ... but sometimes you don't grow without putting yourself in new and uncomfortable situations. While some folks have suggested that LeVar has been a "team player" by being moved around to different positions ... it actually strikes me that this is an example of "being groomed."
You forgot some players on Woods’s side. He also developed Fant, Hockenson, Kirksey, Hitchens, Morris, and as returners DeJean, Jones, Smith-Marsette.
 
7 million in surplus this year without the tv money really kicking in. There is money there, and an extra 2-300k means very little in this.
Still owe the school millions.....think Heller isn't looking at the 7 million surplus and reaching out?
 
I'd hate to see Woods go. Could make sense for career progression. Whether he moves on or stays, thanks.
 
Minnesota for one. But Dochterman hinted were discussions with 3 big ten west teams.
If Woods wouldn't have been moved to TE and then ST and had stayed at LB, don't you think he would have been offered the jobs as well? I see Wallace being offered jobs because those teams want Parker's defense more than wanting Wallace. This isn't to say Wallace isn't a good coach, I'm sure he is but these things aren't an exact science.
 
Meh. Wilson would have stood a great chance of not getting drafted into the NFL if he had gone to Iowa.
 
If Woods wouldn't have been moved to TE and then ST and had stayed at LB, don't you think he would have been offered the jobs as well? I see Wallace being offered jobs because those teams want Parker's defense more than wanting Wallace. This isn't to say Wallace isn't a good coach, I'm sure he is but these things aren't an exact science.
Want Parker’s defense? Like it’s a secret. Anyone can try to replicate it. They need a dude to recruit to it and operate it. Seth is the expert.
 
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