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Liberals in la-la land: High wages, 32-hour workweeks sound great, but there's a steep price

Imagine calling people worthless when you have no idea of their circumstances.
Imagine how lazy you have to be to not move if your salary doubled.

Cost of living in some Iowa small towns is very low and Casey’s is paying $14-$15 an hour.

If people are unwilling to help themselves it’s not the governments responsibility to simulate initiative via mandates.

Can’t show up to work, can’t pass a drug test, can’t be depended on. Those are things that get you $7 an hour. The truth isn’t controversial.
 
Minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage.

That said, wage growth typically begins at the bottom with minimum wage. With unemployment at record lows and inflation now bottoming out, I'd expect to see more minimum wage increases.
 
Imagine how lazy you have to be to not move if your salary doubled.

Cost of living in some Iowa small towns is very low and Casey’s is paying $14-$15 an hour.

If people are unwilling to help themselves it’s not the governments responsibility to simulate initiative via mandates.

Can’t show up to work, can’t pass a drug test, can’t be depended on. Those are things that get you $7 an hour. The truth isn’t controversial.

We can disagree. Some people have limited intellectual and interpersonal skills through no fault of their own.

They shouldn’t be subject to a lifetime below the poverty line even though they work full time.
 
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Maybe workers wouldn't be so pissed if the wage curve wasn't so decoupled from productvity gains.

Also, those kiosks would still be at McDonald's regardless of government wage shenanigans. Business decisions are made at the margin - McDonald's would have still seen an opportunity to invest in technology and save wage costs, either as a direct savings or cost avoidance from higher wages.
Markets work when given the chance. Minimum wage laws have gone off the deep end. No one working at Mickey Ds flipping burgers should be making $15-20 per hour. All that does is forces the restaurant to raise prices hurting low income customers and forces restaurants to lay off those same employees. If a business can't get anyone to work for what they are willing to pay, they will be forced to raise wages without government interference.
 
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I don't really understand comments like this, seems pretty demeaning and judgmental.

I worked in a restaurant for five years when I was in high school and came home from college for breaks. While it wasn't fast food, it was pretty close as it was a buffet, but still with lots of homemade stuff, locally owned. I made $2.85-$3.35/hour during my time there which was minimum wage at the time.

There were people that worked there full-time. It was their job, it was how they supported their families. They took their jobs seriously and largely took pride in their work. They were good, honest, respectable people. Perhaps they didn't aspire to college, leaving the small-town life, more money, etc. Perhaps they were happy doing what they were doing. I don't see anything wrong with it and personally don't think it is something to look down upon.

It doesn't seem like too much to ask to get paid a respectable wage and to be able to live off it, especially if you're working full-time.
One key takeaway from your post. People took their job seriously and largely took pride in their work. Robots exist because people are unreliable and lazy now days. My last 3 fast food experienced have been awful due to employees giving little to no shits. I'd much rather order from a kiosk than an employee that is barely paying attention and Tik Toking while entering my order, yes that actually happened and my order was incorrect.
 
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Minimum wage:

2009 - 7.25
2010 - 7.25
2011 - 7.25
2012 - 7.25
2013 - 7.25
2014 - 7.25
2015 - 7.25
2016 - 7.25
2017 - 7.25
2018 - 7.25
2019 - 7.25
2020 - 7.25
2021 - 7.25
2022 - 7.25
2023 - 7.25
2024 - 7.25
Median home price in 2009: $169,000
Median home price in 2023: $412,000

You need to earn six figures to be able to afford a mortgage for the median home in half the states in the country.

For the record, that’s $48 an hour assuming no overtime.
 
One key takeaway from your post. People took their job seriously and largely took pride in their work. Robots exist because people are unreliable and lazy now days. My last 3 fast food experienced have been awful due to employees giving little to no shits. I'd much rather order from a kiosk than an employee that is barely paying attention and Tik Toking while entering my order, yes that actually happened and my order was incorrect.
Newsflash: if you paid people a living wage that they can raise a family on and gave them benefits and treated them with basic respect… they’d take the job seriously.

People are no more unreliable and lazy today than before. This is 100% a reflection of how they are treated and respected, and not a reflection of generational character.

I was raised with the typical small town Iowa mentality. You bust your butt, work hard, things will work out for you. And that’s exactly what I did. Now looking back from my mid 40s, I realize that is absolute garbage. Having these traits that the boomers respect got me nothing.

So I respect the hell out of these younger people who won’t take shit from people telling them that they need to bust their ass and care about a company that does not care about them. I think that takes a heck of a lot of character, a strength that I wish I had at that age.
 
We can disagree. Some people have limited intellectual and interpersonal skills through no fault of their own.

They shouldn’t be subject to a lifetime below the poverty line even though they work full time.
You can live an ok life in many small towns for $30k a year. My town has some little houses selling for under $75k. We are not all born with the right to live in Waukee and Johnston no matter how pathetic our job skills are.

If you want to push for a $50 minimum wage go ahead. It’s an election loser and would do nothing but create hyper inflation.

New Hampton at this moment has production jobs starting at $45-$60k a year. Qualifications are lift 30-70 pounds and a strong work ethic. Sorry if that isn’t good enough for zero skills. Job doesn’t even require a GED.

Our company can’t find people to pass a drug test to work in factory.
 
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Newsflash: if you paid people a living wage that they can raise a family on and gave them benefits and treated them with basic respect… they’d take the job seriously.

People are no more unreliable and lazy today than before. This is 100% a reflection of how they are treated and respected, and not a reflection of generational character.

I was raised with the typical small town Iowa mentality. You bust your butt, work hard, things will work out for you. And that’s exactly what I did. Now looking back from my mid 40s, I realize that is absolute garbage. Having these traits that the boomers respect got me nothing.

So I respect the hell out of these younger people who won’t take shit from people telling them that they need to bust their ass and care about a company that does not care about them. I think that takes a heck of a lot of character, a strength that I wish I had at that age.
Weird, having those traits put me just outside the top 2% income earned at 35 with zero college education. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but if those traits didn't get you anywhere, that's a you problem. I see hard work paying off everyday.

Oh, and it doesn't matter what you pay some people, they will always be lazy and unmotivated. Let's not blame that trait on low wages. It's not hard to find a job outside of McDonalds that pays well, they choose not to.
 
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You can live an ok life in many small towns for $30k a year. My town has some little houses selling for under $75k. We are not all born with the right to live in Waukee and Johnston no matter how pathetic our job skills are.

If you want to push for a $50 minimum wage go ahead. It’s an election loser and would do nothing but create hyper inflation.
And in many cities, $30,000 a year would not even afford you a two bedroom apartment.

Those small towns are so cheap because there are not very many jobs and few people want to live there. If they did… The houses would cost more.

So you are essentially saying that people should move out of the cities to these small towns. Guess what… That would just make the small towns less affordable for people like you. If you like your way of life, you should be supporting certain cities and states raising their minimum wage.
 
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Lots of layoffs this week in California. Those workers getting the artificial bump to $20 / hr will be most affected by the wage driven inflation this causes. Consequences will be real and predictable.
 
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You can live an ok life in many small towns for $30k a year. My town has some little houses selling for under $75k. We are not all born with the right to live in Waukee and Johnston no matter how pathetic our job skills are.

If you want to push for a $50 minimum wage go ahead. It’s an election loser and would do nothing but create hyper inflation.

New Hampton at this moment has production jobs starting at $45-$60k a year. Qualifications are lift 30-70 pounds and a strong work ethic. Sorry if that isn’t good enough for zero skills. Job doesn’t even require a GED.

Our company can’t find people to pass a drug test to work in factory.

Nobody is asking for a $50 hour minimum wage. And nobody is claiming the right to live in Waukee.

How about we simply adjust the 7.25 for inflation since we haven’t raised it in 15 years?

Your experience isn’t everyone else’s experience.
 
Median home price in 2009: $169,000
Median home price in 2023: $412,000

You need to earn six figures to be able to afford a mortgage for the median home in half the states in the country.

For the record, that’s $48 an hour assuming no overtime.
For the record, people working at Burger King sweeping the floors, shouldn't expect to be able to buy a median priced home unless they advance, go into another field or buy the franchise.

Why does the left insist on trying to decouple work ethic, experience, education, knowledge, etc. from pay? Why would anyone work hard or take any other action to better themselves if there is no financial gain to do so? The more businesses have to pay the person scrubbing the toilets, the less they have to pay the future manager who is willing to do whatever he/she can to get a head.
 
Exactly what do the republicans have to offer gay people?
If they like their gas car and gas stoves, way more than a Democrat can do for their gayness. Maybe not all gays identify themselves by what kind of genitals they prefer.
 
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We can disagree. Some people have limited intellectual and interpersonal skills through no fault of their own.

They shouldn’t be subject to a lifetime below the poverty line even though they work full time.
Agree. I think the lowest paying job out there should be the guy holding the SLOW sign at construction sites. That’s the bar for dumb people. $12 and hour for that job and it goes up from there. $12.50 if you dress up like Statue of Liberty outside of HR Block.
 
Agree. I think the lowest paying job out there should be the guy holding the SLOW sign at construction sites.

Those things are about gone. Ran into an automatic one going up to God’s country. Lights timed to allow one way traffic from alternating sides - no flagman.

I’m entirely fading Scottie at the Masters on DK and just placing a straight up win bet on him at DK Casino on the IL side? Right?
 
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For the record, people working at Burger King sweeping the floors, shouldn't expect to be able to buy a median priced home unless they advance, go into another field or buy the franchise.

Why does the left insist on trying to decouple work ethic, experience, education, knowledge, etc. from pay? Why would anyone work hard or take any other action to better themselves if there is no financial gain to do so? The more businesses have to pay the person scrubbing the toilets, the less they have to pay the future manager who is willing to do whatever he/she can to get a head.
Wages and production are decoupled - it's pretty obvious to any non-smooth brain:

wagescompensation-1200x1093.png
 
Those things are about gone. Ran into an automatic one going up to God’s country. Lights timed to allow one way traffic from alternating sides - no flagman.

I’m entirely fading Scottie at the Masters on DK and just placing a straight up win bet on him at DK Casino on the IL side? Right?
I think that’s the best way to differentiate yourself. It’s a lot harder now due to not seeing the LIV guys. So I’ll stick to past champions from there. I have a feeling Reed is gonna do well.
 
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Maybe workers wouldn't be so pissed if the wage curve wasn't so decoupled from productvity gains.

Also, those kiosks would still be at McDonald's regardless of government wage shenanigans. Business decisions are made at the margin - McDonald's would have still seen an opportunity to invest in technology and save wage costs, either as a direct savings or cost avoidance from higher wages.
EXACTLY
 
Yes they are called high school students who are probably seasonal or temporary workers with zero experience.

And some are not.

No matter who they are, we haven’t raised their pay in 15 years. So they work the same job, at least the same economic output, for about 61 cents on the dollar compared to 2009.

But I understand you find this reasonable.
 
I think that’s the best way to differentiate yourself. It’s a lot harder now due to not seeing the LIV guys. So I’ll stick to past champions from there. I have a feeling Reed is gonna do well.

I despise Reed but I made some nice money betting him on DK for years because his talent and ranking was far higher than his price given he was so unpopular. The anti-Spieth.
 
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I don't know why people get so outraged about raising the minimum wage. Basically every place I see advertising for workers start at least at $15 an hour in Central Iowa. B-Bops, Git 'n Go, McDonald's. These businesses are already paying that. It's pretty bad to have the same minimum wage we had in 2009.
 
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One key takeaway from your post. People took their job seriously and largely took pride in their work. Robots exist because people are unreliable and lazy now days. My last 3 fast food experienced have been awful due to employees giving little to no shits. I'd much rather order from a kiosk than an employee that is barely paying attention and Tik Toking while entering my order, yes that actually happened and my order was incorrect.
I can't really argue with any of this. However, I would add that most people will act/perform in accordance with how they're treated or valued. That is a lot different now.
 
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I cannot stand ordering Kiosks and/or Apps. Our local Flix Brewhouse attempted to force the ordering app on us. It was during opening day for Dune 2. I wound up with a Diet Dr. Pepper (fat finger on my part) and during the movie I kept seeing screens lighting up with people trying to order crap.

I told them if my MIL or Mother were forced to use the app my MIL would throw her phone across the theater and my mom would just chose not to eat. ...and if I forgot my glasses, then it'd be a no food order for me as well. LOL

Apparently my complaints, along with many others, forced Flix to rethink their decision. We were told a month later at Kung Fu Panda 4 that the app was now optional. :)
 
This is all you got?
It’s all I need to satisfy your question. You assume all gays only vote based on their gayness. They don’t. The person in that car is proof.

There are plenty of gays out there who say “I don’t need the government to agree or disagree with my lifestyle. I can get by without their support.” And those are the ones who I would say aren’t handcuffed to the Dem party. No?
 
Wages and production are decoupled - it's pretty obvious to any non-smooth brain:

wagescompensation-1200x1093.png
Hummm, I wonder if the increase in productivity had anything to do with computers, and the internet and had very little to do with workers actually working harder?🤨 The timing of that graph above would appear to indicate that wouldn't it?🧐
 
Hummm, I wonder if the increase in productivity had anything to do with computers, and the internet and had very little to do with workers actually working harder?🤨 The timing of that graph above would appear to indicate that wouldn't it?🧐
Why not all of it?

I was in manufacturing from 2002 to 2012. We were able to make equipment additions, modify production flow and thereby reduce headcount on the floor. The people that remained worked their asses off. With fewer people, if someone was sick, others really worked their asses off. Seems clear what you want the answer to be, but that doesn't mean it's always the answer.
 
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Why not all of it?

I was in manufacturing from 2002 to 2012. We were able to make equipment additions, modify production flow and thereby reduce headcount on the floor. The people that remained worked their asses off. With fewer people, if someone was sick, others really worked their asses off. Seems clear what you want the answer to be, but that doesn't mean it's always the answer.
So what's your point? The increase in productivity was able to keep inflation down for years, that was until we got Biden and he spent the country into a tailspin and inflation skyrocketed as a result despite increased productivity.
 
It’s all I need to satisfy your question. You assume all gays only vote based on their gayness. They don’t. The person in that car is proof.

There are plenty of gays out there who say “I don’t need the government to agree or disagree with my lifestyle. I can get by without their support.” And those are the ones who I would say aren’t handcuffed to the Dem party. No?
Based on what the R party stands fo and against what being gay actually is, it's strange to have a gay person want to be a part of that but that if course is their choice.
 
So what's your point? The increase in productivity was able to keep inflation down for years, that was until we got Biden and he spent the country into a tailspin and inflation skyrocketed as a result despite increased productivity.
It seems like with every post that you make, you are competing against yourself for dumbest post of the year. Really quite remarkable.
 
I cannot stand ordering Kiosks and/or Apps. Our local Flix Brewhouse attempted to force the ordering app on us. It was during opening day for Dune 2. I wound up with a Diet Dr. Pepper (fat finger on my part) and during the movie I kept seeing screens lighting up with people trying to order crap.

I told them if my MIL or Mother were forced to use the app my MIL would throw her phone across the theater and my mom would just chose not to eat. ...and if I forgot my glasses, then it'd be a no food order for me as well. LOL

Apparently my complaints, along with many others, forced Flix to rethink their decision. We were told a month later at Kung Fu Panda 4 that the app was now optional. :)
 
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So what's your point? The increase in productivity was able to keep inflation down for years, that was until we got Biden and he spent the country into a tailspin and inflation skyrocketed as a result despite increased productivity.
It kept a lot of things down for years, including wages.

My point is that in our small company, those efficiencies translated to hundreds of thousands of dollars of annual cost savings. The company line was "the company does well, so will the workers". It was complete and total BS. During the final four years I was there, none of the production people received raises or bonuses. Some reward for being the best of the bunch, for sticking around, as their longtime friends and coworkers were laid off. After a few rounds of seeing that, it doesn't take long to figure out how people become "lazy" or resentful. That was it for me. Six months after I left, 100% of the remaining production was outsourced to another company. All remaining production workers permanently laid off.
 
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