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Lindsey Graham wants aid for S. Carolina, but not for Sandy victims

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Yet another horribly deceptive Democratic talking point. You guys are really getting pathetic. Graham and other Republicans did not oppose aid to Hurricane Sandy victims. They opposed a specific, bloated spending bill that included billions of dollars for things unrelated to the storm. They proposed their own alternate bill that still would have helped storm victims, but without all the unnecessary pork barrel spending.

I'm starting to think Democrats didn't even want all those extra spending appropriations. They just wanted to insert them into the bill so Republicans would vote against them and for the next 50 years every time there is a major natural disaster they could trot out this same ridiculous talking point.
 
Yet another horribly deceptive Democratic talking point. You guys are really getting pathetic. Graham and other Republicans did not oppose aid to Hurricane Sandy victims. They opposed a specific, bloated spending bill that included billions of dollars for things unrelated to the storm. They proposed their own alternate bill that still would have helped storm victims, but without all the unnecessary pork barrel spending.

I'm starting to think Democrats didn't even want all those extra spending appropriations. They just wanted to insert them into the bill so Republicans would vote against them and for the next 50 years every time there is a major natural disaster they could trot out this same ridiculous talking point.

Lol. You didn't read the article. Graham says he can't even remember why he voted against the Hurricane Sandy bill - something you would think would stick out. He can't even remember the GOP BS talking points now. But it is good of you to note that bills should be limited to the topic at hand just in case the GOP insets another anti- abortion provision into the debt ceiling bill next time.
 
But it is good of you to note that bills should be limited to the topic at hand just in case the GOP insets another anti- abortion provision into the debt ceiling bill next time.
I've been saying for years there should be rules in congress that prohibit lawmakers from inserting unrelated provisions in bills, especially when they do it mostly for political "gotcha" purposes. That applies to both parties.
 
I've been saying for years there should be rules in congress that prohibit lawmakers from inserting unrelated provisions in bills, especially when they do it mostly for political "gotcha" purposes. That applies to both parties.
Nailed it. Each individual item should be voted on. Instead of these guys working 10 days a year, let's get our money's worth.
 
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I personally don't understand why we have to aid everybody in times of disaster. Isn't that why I pay for insurance to cover my belongings? But I do understand the GOPs hypocrisy although it's deep in both parties.
 
The key line in the article: Many Republicans opposed the $51 billion Sandy relief package in 2013 because they said it included too much spending on unrelated programs.

The disaster relief bills become a pile of pork as legislators insert dozens or hundreds of unrelated items into them. They should be opposed until they are stripped down to providing funds for those who suffered in the disaster event.
 
Republicans and Democrats load up bills with unrelated crap. Should never happen.

Now, having said that, Lindsay Graham is an idiot.
 
Republicans and Democrats load up bills with unrelated crap. Should never happen.

Now, having said that, Lindsay Graham is an idiot.
I recall President Reagan wanting line item veto, which is a very good idea. I'd like to advance what I call line item voting in order to get rid of the crap these assholes put into a bill.
 
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Republicans and Democrats load up bills with unrelated crap. Should never happen.

Now, having said that, Lindsay Graham is an idiot.
I recall President Reagan wanting line item veto, which is a very good idea. I'd like to advance what I call line item voting in order to get rid of the crap these assholes put into a bill.
 
I recall President Reagan wanting line item veto, which is a very good idea. I'd like to advance what I call line item voting in order to get rid of the crap these assholes put into a bill.
The Republican-controlled Congress voted to give the president the power of line-item veto, and did it when Bill Clinton held the office. The SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional.
 
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But I do understand the GOPs hypocrisy
You understand something that's demonstrably false? Republicans certainly have demonstrated hypocrisy in a number of issues, but it is an outright lie when Democrats continue to insist Republicans weren't willing to give aid to Hurricane Sandy victims. Republicans proposed a $24 billion relief bill, but Democrats demanded $60 billion because they wanted to use the storm as an excuse to fund a hundred other pet projects unrelated to the storm.

Republicans didn't try to block disaster relief for storm victims. They tried to block funding for future infrastructure projects that had nothing to do with the storm.

It's long past time for Democrats to stop perpetuating that lie.
 
I recall President Reagan wanting line item veto, which is a very good idea. I'd like to advance what I call line item voting in order to get rid of the crap these assholes put into a bill.


That would be a great thing for the country, but it'll never happen because both parties would "suffer" from not being able to dole out money to their contributors. Now, what you would have to worry about is a president that would be fair to both sides but that won't happen either.
 
Ted Cruz did the exact same thing. Denied funding for Sandy victims, but wanted it for the Texas floods. He also stated that Sandy funding had a bunch of ear marks in it, but for some reason the pork associated with the Texas floods wasn't so much of a big deal. These guys deny funding until it comes to their home state then they're all for the funding regardless of how much waste the bill has in it. Of course the usual suspects will start throwing around stupid remarks about it being the Dems or Pubs fault, when it reality they all do it.
 
I personally don't understand why we have to aid everybody in times of disaster. Isn't that why I pay for insurance to cover my belongings? But I do understand the GOPs hypocrisy although it's deep in both parties.
The aid is mostly for infrastructure assistance; costs that go well beyond what any state/community could reasonably envision. I have no problem with tax dollars going for such causes.
 
That would be a great thing for the country, but it'll never happen because both parties would "suffer" from not being able to dole out money to their contributors. Now, what you would have to worry about is a president that would be fair to both sides but that won't happen either.
Dude read what he wrote. It did happen despite your cynicism. It failed for constitutional reasons.
 
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I recall President Reagan wanting line item veto, which is a very good idea. I'd like to advance what I call line item voting in order to get rid of the crap these assholes put into a bill.
I disagree that line item veto is a good idea. I think it gives the President too much power. He could veto an important part of the bill and sign the rest into law even though most representatives might have voted against the bill without that provision.
 
It also entrenched the idea of slave-ownership. The CSA constitution virtually guaranteed that any anti-slave law or policy would be unconstitutional.
And like the US constitution could be amended. In fact, it was easier to amend the Confederate Constitution.
 
The confederate constitution had that provision.
FREEDOM!

Thank the gods, we finally answered the flag question. The confederacy was all about anti-pork barrel spending. Frugal, blunt, no frills sort of folk down there.
 
FREEDOM!
Thank the gods, we finally answered the flag question. The confederacy was all about anti-pork barrel spending. Frugal, blunt, no frills sort of folk down there.
The CSA constitution did prohibit the use of funds from one state being used for infrastructure in another state. It was their thumb-of-the-nose to the so-called "Tariff of Abominations". So if this 1000 year rain in South Carolina had occurred under the CSA's watch they would just have to cowboy up and rebuild their own damn bridges.
 
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The Republican-controlled Congress voted to give the president the power of line-item veto, and did it when Bill Clinton held the office. The SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional.
So why does a clown like Branstadt still have it? I have always been opposed to line item veto no matter who is in office. It's simply wrong.
 
The CSA constitution did prohibit the use of funds from one state being used for infrastructure in another state. It was their thumb-of-the-nose to the so-called "Tariff of Abominations". So if this 1000 year rain in South Carolina had occurred under the CSA's watch they would just have to cowboy up and rebuild their own damn bridges.
We should honor this southern heritage and do our best not to get them dependent on government handouts.
 
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Yet another horribly deceptive Democratic talking point. You guys are really getting pathetic. Graham and other Republicans did not oppose aid to Hurricane Sandy victims. They opposed a specific, bloated spending bill that included billions of dollars for things unrelated to the storm. They proposed their own alternate bill that still would have helped storm victims, but without all the unnecessary pork barrel spending.

I'm starting to think Democrats didn't even want all those extra spending appropriations. They just wanted to insert them into the bill so Republicans would vote against them and for the next 50 years every time there is a major natural disaster they could trot out this same ridiculous talking point.
That was the reason. Both sides are guilty of larding up must pass legislation. The Sandy bill was a prime example
 
I'm surprised Graham took a moment away from his commitment to turning the Middle East into a new Myrtle Beach. Kill all the Muslims and put-up a new Broadway at the Beach in the desert. I've never seen a person so committed to killing a race of people since the USA after the Civil War went after all the American Indian tribes.
 
I question whether the friction coefficient of lard would be to my liking.
Wouldn't it be fun to find out? Turkish guys do it with olive oil:
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And look at how much fun they have and they don't even smell like bacon. This would be the perfect fit for Iowa. We could sell out Kinnick for every wrestling match.

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Ah, the good old racist days of treason, celebrate the heritage!

Wish I was in the land of cotton,
racist days are not forgotten,
own a black, own a black, fly the flag,
Dixie land.
You're a strange one.

I mentioned nothing about racism. I'm probably the least racist person on this board. This country was founded on treason.

There are quite a few aspects of the confederate constitution that are far superior to the U.S. Constitution. I was just mentioning a couple of them. Bills could only pertain to one subject and couldn't have riders on them. Also the constitution was easier to amend, so where it was lacking could have and would have been changed.
 
Also the constitution was easier to amend, so where it was lacking could have and would have been changed.
It was especially lacking in the part where it protected the institution of slavery. And they weren't fixin' to change that anytime soon.
 
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