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Lindsey Graham wants aid for S. Carolina, but not for Sandy victims

It was especially lacking in the part where it protected the institution of slavery. And they weren't fixin' to change that anytime soon.
Wouldn't have had much choice but to change it. Economic pressure would have forced it in short order.

Regardless, a reasonable person can see good along with bad. While slavery was bad, there were other causes of the war and the confederacy was better in a number of aspects, one of which is removal of pork spending being attached to other bills.
 
Wouldn't have had much choice but to change it. Economic pressure would have forced it in short order.

Regardless, a reasonable person can see good along with bad. While slavery was bad, there were other causes of the war and the confederacy was better in a number of aspects, one of which is removal of pork spending being attached to other bills.
Oh this last part is debatable. Our government works better with grease.
 
Wouldn't go that far.
I think that's a big problem. No one has any perspective. Our lives have never been better and yet everyone is grumpy all the time. It's like we're all in the too perfect version of the matrix and we can't handle the joy, so we bitch. If these overly sensitive school shooters had to work from sun up to sun down digging ditches to put food in their belly, I bet those kids are alive. Not only have we gone soft, we can't even say thank you.
 
Yet another horribly deceptive Democratic talking point. You guys are really getting pathetic. Graham and other Republicans did not oppose aid to Hurricane Sandy victims. They opposed a specific, bloated spending bill that included billions of dollars for things unrelated to the storm. They proposed their own alternate bill that still would have helped storm victims, but without all the unnecessary pork barrel spending.

I'm starting to think Democrats didn't even want all those extra spending appropriations. They just wanted to insert them into the bill so Republicans would vote against them and for the next 50 years every time there is a major natural disaster they could trot out this same ridiculous talking point.

What's different now? Suddenly the US Treasury is flush with cash, TJ?
I know not why God gave you two eyes TJ, 'cause you apparently don't use either one of them.
 
I'm probably the least racist person on this board. .

Actions speak louder than words Jack.

You proudly display a flag about which some things are inarguable. 1. White supremacists commonly fly the flag. 2. Racists are emboldened by the flag when displayed by others 3. African-Americans see the flag as racist and are offended by its display.

Write whatever thesis you want in justification about your lack of personal racism and your dreamy reasons for the proud display. It emboldens racists, enables racists, and causes racial divisiveness no matter what you say. Claiming you are the least racist person is delusional or a lie. Since you jumped into a current events thread to brag about the wonders of the confederacy I'm going with a liar, but do grant that you are good at pretending to fall in the delusional category.

You promote and enable racism by your actions. Period. Isn't there a Carolina message board that would appreciate your proud display and accept your thesis? Go there and get that racist crap off our board.
 
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Actions speak louder than words Jack.

You proudly display a flag about which some things are inarguable. 1. White supremacists commonly fly the flag. 2. Racists are emboldened by the flag when displayed by others 3. African-Americans see the flag as racist and are offended by its display.

Write whatever thesis you want in justification about your lack of personal racism and your dreamy reasons for the proud display. It emboldens racists, enables racists, and causes racial divisiveness no matter what you say. Claiming you are the least racist person is delusional or a lie. Since you jumped into a current events thread to brag about the wonders of the confederacy I'm going with a liar, but do grant that you are good at pretending to fall in the delusional category.

You promote and enable racism by your actions. Period. Isn't there a Carolina message board that would appreciate your proud display and accept your thesis? Go there and get that racist crap off our board.
Afraid your the delusional one here. I stand by my actions and my posts, which show me to not be racist at all.
 
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What's different now? Suddenly the US Treasury is flush with cash, TJ?
I know not why God gave you two eyes TJ, 'cause you apparently don't use either one of them.
Is Graham asking for $36 billion for infrastructure projects that have nothing to do.with the flooding? Because if he is then you have a great point. If not then you're being an idiot.
 
Afraid your the delusional one here. I stand by my actions and my posts, which show me to not be racist at all.

Your proud display of a symbol you KNOW is offensive to virtually all African-Americans shows you not to be racist?

Time to rethink that ole self-image.
 
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Your proud display of a symbol you KNOW is offensive to virtually all African-Americans shows you not to be racist?

Time to rethink that ole self-image.
Someone forgot to tell virtually all black Americans that.

"And yet, 27 percent of black South Carolinians said it should stay — suggesting that the flag’s meaning remains a source of some debate."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...onfederate-flag-believe-slavery-was-a-choice/

Growing up in the South it was extremely common to see black people proudly display the flag and very rare to see one offended by it. Blacks being offended by the flag is a recent phenomenon, and wrongly so.
 
TJ...I am not the "idiot" here.......Lindsay Graham might be one.
If you believe the Democratic talking point that Graham opposed giving aid to Hurricane Sandy victims then you're an idiot. You're exactly the sort of useful idiot Dem leaders count on to disseminate their nonsense talking points.
 
Nice link about a person who thinks slavery was a choice (and leads a group with a whopping 40 members). Did you happen to read the very first sentence of the article?
"For many Americans, the Confederate battle flag is an unmistakable symbol of slavery and oppression." Sentence should have continued comma, no matter what the person flying says during the display.

OK, take at face value the Winthrop number, which is probably not warranted. So you proudly display a flag you KNOW is offensive to 77% of African-Americans in the South? Wouldn't that fact alone disqualify your claim of being one of the least racist posters? Seriously, rethink that self-image. And educate yourself on unconscious racism, the black/white baby study is way more instructive on the poll results than is any conclusion you might posit.

And lets talk about your days growing up in the South. What other conditions existed for the African-Americans that were near the flag? Could they walk the flag downtown to sit at a lunch counter and talk about pending legislation? Walk it down to register to vote? Fly it during a perfectly fair police investigation?

Your conclusion that "they" were proud in flying the flag then and are wrong to interpret it as offensive today is the height of narcissistic ignorance. No doubt you and your racist forbears saw that as approval of your racist society, but it was more likely along the lines of not looking you in the eye on the street (and no, that wasn't because they all were shy).

Can your conditioned to racism self even conceive of another reason they may have had to display the flag? Hint: self-preservation. Probably much lower chance of having their homes firebombed or getting lynched. You interpreted it as a proud display, they were just glad your KKK brethren looked elsewhere.
 
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Nice link about a person who thinks slavery was a choice (and leads a group with a whopping 40 members). Did you happen to read the very first sentence of the article?
"For many Americans, the Confederate battle flag is an unmistakable symbol of slavery and oppression." Sentence should have continued comma, no matter what the person flying says during the display.

OK, take at face value the Winthrop number, which is probably not warranted. So you proudly display a flag you KNOW is offensive to 77% of African-Americans in the South? Wouldn't that fact alone disqualify your claim of being one of the least racist posters? Seriously, rethink that self-image. And educate yourself on unconscious racism, the black/white baby study is way more instructive on the poll results than is any conclusion you might posit.

And lets talk about your days growing up in the South. What other conditions existed for the African-Americans that were near the flag? Could they walk the flag downtown to sit at a lunch counter and talk about pending legislation? Walk it down to register to vote? Fly it during a perfectly fair police investigation?

Your conclusion that "they" were proud in flying the flag then and are wrong to interpret it as offensive today is the height of narcissistic ignorance. No doubt you and your racist forbears saw that as approval of your racist society, but it was more likely along the lines of not looking you in the eye on the street (and no, that wasn't because they all were shy).

Can your conditioned to racism self even conceive of another reason they may have had to display the flag? Hint: self-preservation. Probably much lower chance of having their homes firebombed or getting lynched. You interpreted it as a proud display, they were just glad your KKK brethren looked elsewhere.
I'm not that old. you have no idea what it was like when and where I grew up. It was certainly nothing like the picture you paint.

You talk about race like you have a clue, but you don't. I have no doubt your trying to project your own racism on me, but you obviously don't know me, the South or even black people. The last thing you should be doing is telling any of us how we should think.
 
Kiting, three questions:

1. Do you acknowledge the flag is flown by white supremacists and many other racists? If so, aren't you emboldening and enabling them with your display no matter what you say?

2. How do you reconcile your claim of being non-racist with your proud display of something you KNOW it is offensive to 77% of African-Americans in the South? Isn't intentionally offending such a large demographic racism?

3. Would you please change your avatar?
 
Total BS but the Democrats play this card at every turn.
Yes, awful of me to link a story with quotes from Graham himself mumbling away about how he couldn't remember why he voted against aid after Sandy. Ignorance is bliss.
 
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Yes, awful of me to link a story with quotes from Graham himself mumbling away about how he couldn't remember why he voted against aid after Sandy. Ignorance is bliss.
THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^ is how I remembered it. It is another convenient "selective memory moment" for my friends on the right.
Republicans need to remember something my parents taught me decades ago...."What goes around usually comes around."
 
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I'm not that old. you have no idea what it was like when and where I grew up. It was certainly nothing like the picture you paint.

You talk about race like you have a clue, but you don't. I have no doubt your trying to project your own racism on me, but you obviously don't know me, the South or even black people. The last thing you should be doing is telling any of us how we should think.
You keep missing the point. Just because you don't see the confederate flag as a symbol of racism does not mean that others, namely a significant majority of blacks, do see it as such.

It does not matter that the views of the flag have changed. In that regard one cannot dismiss the current culture and how it views this particular symbol.
Surveys have shown a steady trend toward the flag being regarded as a symbol of racism more so than in the past.
 
Yes, awful of me to link a story with quotes from Graham himself mumbling away about how he couldn't remember why he voted against aid after Sandy. Ignorance is bliss.
He stumbled while trying to think of a good answer to a horseshit question. It's still a horseshit question and the talking point is a bald face lie. But go ahead and keep believing it like a simple-minded partisan hack.
 
THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^ is how I remembered it. It is another convenient "selective memory moment" for my friends on the right.
Republicans need to remember something my parents taught me decades ago...."What goes around usually comes around."
Selective memory? What are you even talking about?

It's not a matter of recollection. It's a matter of public record that most Republicans opposed the Dems' aid package because it contained funding for too many programs that were unrelated to storm relief. Hell, it's right there in the very last line of the OP's link.

"Many Republicans opposed the $51 billion Sandy relief package in 2013 because they said it included too much spending on unrelated programs."

It's also a matter of record that Republicans introduced a bill that would have given $24 billion in aid to storm victims, without all the extra pet projects. Democrats promptly shot down that bill. Republicans did not oppose giving aid to storm victims. They opposed unrelated spending on unrelated infrastructure projects. That's a well-documented fact.

But ever since then, any time that a Republican senator requests disaster relief for his home state, Democrats trot out the same lie that Republicans opposed Hurricane Sandy relief. And they're probably going to continue to perpetuate the same lie for the foreseeable future.

It's a lie, Joel. Don't believe lies. Don't perpetuate lies. Because that makes you a liar.
 
He stumbled while trying to think of a good answer to a horseshit question. It's still a horseshit question and the talking point is a bald face lie. But go ahead and keep believing it like a simple-minded partisan hack.
He's been in the Senate for decades and is a very polished politician. Cling to that fig leaf that Graham was stumped by the question.
 
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At the time it was very convenient for several Republicans to vote against aid for Sandy's victims. They got to swagger around as being tough on the debt because they'd counted the votes and knew aid would be approved. Don't fool yourself if you think the fact that the aid was going to a blue state wasn't in the calculus for several of the politicians voting against the aid. Not because they are hard hearted, but because it played to the knuckle dragging base.
Now South Carolina needs aid and Graham has his tin cup in his outstretched hand.
 
At the time it was very convenient for several Republicans to vote against aid for Sandy's victims. They got to swagger around as being tough on the debt because they'd counted the votes and knew aid would be approved. Don't fool yourself if you think the fact that the aid was going to a blue state wasn't in the calculus for several of the politicians voting against the aid. Not because they are hard hearted, but because it played to the knuckle dragging base.
Now South Carolina needs aid and Graham has his tin cup in his outstretched hand.
How firmly are you entrenched in your partisan loyalty that you can look directly at concrete facts and disregard them as though they don't exist?

You keep playing this game of 'my recollection is better than your recollection'. It's not a matter of remembering or misremembering. It is a matter of public %$#!&*@ record. The Republicans proposed a $24 billion relief bill. You can read about it right here. I'm not making it up. It actually happened.

This is like the Louis CK bit where he talks about arguing with his 3-year-old daughter, who insisted that fig newtons are called pig newtons. "I'm not even using my memory right now. I'm reading the %&#@*$ box!"

 
Selective memory? What are you even talking about?

But ever since then, any time that a Republican senator requests disaster relief for his home state, Democrats trot out the same lie that Republicans opposed Hurricane Sandy relief. And they're probably going to continue to perpetuate the same lie for the foreseeable future.

It's a lie, Joel. Don't believe lies. Don't perpetuate lies. Because that makes you a liar.


What needs to be remembered by these GOP "congresspeoplle" is that they attack Dems and act holier than thou. The fact of the matter is that Dems and GOPers are the same cat. They BOTH do the same things under similar situations.
Graham acts like Dems invented adding pork to emergency legislation. The GOP has done the same GD thing...just think back to the legislation that was enacted to stimilate and bailout the country in 08 and 09.
Personally, I am tired of politicians who attack the other Party based on "purer" moral grounds and higher moral standings. That why I scoff at the GOP and their evangelical Christian ass-licking and their "family values" platform. Atleast the Dems, as slimy as they can be, have not sunk to levels that so obviously debase themselves. Pretty much with Dems, what you see is what you get.
 
What needs to be remembered by these GOP "congresspeoplle" is that they attack Dems and act holier than thou. The fact of the matter is that Dems and GOPers are the same cat. They BOTH do the same things under similar situations.
Graham acts like Dems invented adding pork to emergency legislation. The GOP has done the same GD thing...just think back to the legislation that was enacted to stimilate and bailout the country in 08 and 09.
Personally, I am tired of politicians who attack the other Party based on "purer" moral grounds and higher moral standings. That why I scoff at the GOP and their evangelical Christian ass-licking and their "family values" platform. Atleast the Dems, as slimy as they can be, have not sunk to levels that so obviously debase themselves. Pretty much with Dems, what you see is what you get.
You're absolutely right that both parties add unnecessary pork to legislation. That's a well established fact. If you want to criticize Republicans for doing that or for demonstrating hypocrisy on "family values" issues then go right ahead. You'll get no argument from me.

But you're still absolutely wrong to keep insisting that Graham and other Republicans refused to give aid to Hurricane Sandy victims. That's just simply a lie. And I wish you had enough clarity of thought to understand that fact.
 
You keep missing the point. Just because you don't see the confederate flag as a symbol of racism does not mean that others, namely a significant majority of blacks, do see it as such.

It does not matter that the views of the flag have changed. In that regard one cannot dismiss the current culture and how it views this particular symbol.
Surveys have shown a steady trend toward the flag being regarded as a symbol of racism more so than in the past.


I don't give a rip about the confederate flag, and I don't think it should be flying on sta
Kiting, three questions:

1. Do you acknowledge the flag is flown by white supremacists and many other racists? If so, aren't you emboldening and enabling them with your display no matter what you say?


Looks like we're going to have to get rid of the American flag. Flying it emboldens and enables white supremacists and other racists.

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Kiting, three questions:

1. Do you acknowledge the flag is flown by white supremacists and many other racists? If so, aren't you emboldening and enabling them with your display no matter what you say?

2. How do you reconcile your claim of being non-racist with your proud display of something you KNOW it is offensive to 77% of African-Americans in the South? Isn't intentionally offending such a large demographic racism?

3. Would you please change your avatar?
1. Yes. They also have the American flag and Christian cross as their official symbols. I am no more enabling them than those who display those symbols.

2. Because I am not racist. I don't display the flag as an intent to offend, but as a source of Southern Pride. I have no doubt that that alone is a large part about what bothers you about it. You don't think I should have Southern pride.

I'm also gonna take a guess here that I know a little more about black Southerners than you do. I did grow up with them and live amongst them after all.

3. No. I actually was about to change it as I said I would for football season, but you've convinced me it should stay. I may change it to the one I use on Warchant when I can. It's a version with FSU colors.
 
How firmly are you entrenched in your partisan loyalty that you can look directly at concrete facts and disregard them as though they don't exist?

You keep playing this game of 'my recollection is better than your recollection'. It's not a matter of remembering or misremembering. It is a matter of public %$#!&*@ record. The Republicans proposed a $24 billion relief bill. You can read about it right here. I'm not making it up. It actually happened.

This is like the Louis CK bit where he talks about arguing with his 3-year-old daughter, who insisted that fig newtons are called pig newtons. "I'm not even using my memory right now. I'm reading the %&#@*$ box!"

It's really, really simple. Sandy, no aid. Lot's of qualifiers, and for some reason Graham can't remember why he voted against it. Joaquin, immediate aid and lots of it. Read what Graham is saying now. He is saying lots and lots of aid now, sort out the details later. Talk about selective. :rolleyes:
 
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3. No. I actually was about to change it as I said I would for football season, but you've convinced me it should stay. I may change it to the one I use on Warchant when I can. It's a version with FSU colors.
Well now I'm going to call you out. Garnet and gold wasn't adopted until 1905. Such an ahistorical representation really makes me question your position on the flag. Tisk tisk, disappointed.
 
Well now I'm going to call you out. Garnet and gold wasn't adopted until 1905. Such an ahistorical representation really makes me question your position on the flag. Tisk tisk, disappointed.
I didn't say which colors. The official ones now are more of a maroon and beige anyway. Did you want me to use purple?
 
I didn't say which colors. The official ones now are more of a maroon and beige anyway. Did you want me to use purple?
Doesn't purple only go back to 1904? The 1904 and 1905 football teams used purple. The students voted for crimson. The school then mixed the two to get garnet. That's how I understood the story.

My point is, if you're going to make a big deal about keeping a civil war flag to honor heritage, keep the real thing. If you are cool with changing it, then the symbol isn't important so make everyone happy and change it for real.

My tone here should be understood as non serious ribbing.
 
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