Little Bro being little bro.....
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LOL at you for being on the Iowa Hawkeye fan board @ hawkeyereport.com...talk about total fail....I don't think we need to prove anything, the University of Iowa is the flagship university of this great state. There is no argueing that, there is also no arguing the statistics that would go beyond proving that Iowa is big brother
Who is worse that ISU? Rutgers probably, Purdue maybe...other than that who in the big ten would ISU beat consistently or even last year? Kansas, KSU, TTU are all pretty garbage and the top teams didn't play anybody out of conference
lilOSU played- CMU, Central Arkansas, and UTSA
TCU- Minny, Stephen F Austin, SMU
Oklahoma- Akron, Tulsa, Tennesee
Baylor- SMU, Lamar, Rice
WVU- Georgia Southern, Liberty, Maryland
These are the top 5 teams in the (soon to be dissolved) Big12....look at their schedules. Are you freaking kidding me. I haven't even heard of some of these teams. Sure there are two bottom feeder big 10 teams on here and a above average Tennesee team but big whoop. That would be like tOSU playing TTU and PSU playing KSU.....this was by far the most over rated conference in the nation and they finished 7th of all conferences in bowl win %
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Unless these facts come from Jamie Pollard they are to be ignored. It is just how isu grads roll. Ignore anything that shows how pathetic their long held myths really are.
Clearly the 7th best winning % in bowl season equates to the 2nd best conference. isu grads will tell you so just ask them.
More please.
Unless these facts come from Jamie Pollard they are to be ignored. It is just how isu grads roll. Ignore anything that shows how pathetic their long held myths really are.
Clearly the 7th best winning % in bowl season equates to the 2nd best conference. isu grads will tell you so just ask them.
More please.
Maryland, Rutgers and Purdue for sure. Most computer models have ISU either slightly better or slightly worse than Illinois, Minnesota and Indiana so that would probably be the best comparison
Except Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois and IU all would have beaten isu last year. Like I have been saying isu was lucky not to have played Iowa's schedule last year. The ended up with more wins by not having it.
The best comparison as to how bogus isu's SOS myth is how the Texas Ten had the 7th best performance in bowl games. Of course this must be ignored, isu grads always cling to their myths.
I think Maryland would have beat isu aswell. Remember this is the same fan base where some of there fans actually think Sam Richardson was the best or 2nd best qb we faced he wasn't in in the top 6
I will give you Rutgers, which is where ISU would be compared to for Big 10 schools. Maryland no way, way too much talent with the DC area pipeline, Minny.....are you serious, and Indiana would have put up 60 points on you with their talented offense (check the draft for that info) and Illinois cmon man. ISU and Kansas are comparable to Rutgers (straight garbage) Purdue maybe, but as I said ask Nebby about Purdue
Maryland went 3-9 with an easier schedule and every computer model has ISU as a better team than them last year. Same with Purdue but they went 2-10 with an easier schedule. Sagarin had ISU ahead of Illinois and Indiana this last season but I'm sure Jeff Sagarin is just an East Coast guy with a Big 12 bias
Having seen Maryland and isu both play Maryland would have beaten isu just as all the Big Ten teams that were on Iowa's schedule last year. Why, simple to hey all had better defenses than many of the teams the clowns lost to. So if isu couldn't score against the crap defense they play in the Texas Ten they sure couldn't score against teams that had a defensive pulse.
I can't wait for how isu grad addresses this. My guess is they will ignore as usual.
Oh yes the SOS, how could I forget. Why have you not responded to my post about the teams from the Big 12 non conference schedules or the fact they finishes 7th in winning % in bowl games this year (and yes there are only 5 power conferences) Its amazing you respond immediately to all my other posts but for some reason just skipped right over that one. Can you explain that to me or are you just ignoring those facts because it doesn't fit your agenda?
Baylor played the weakest non conference I've ever seen. Oklahoma State didn't play anyone either. Oklahoma played at Tennessee so I'll give them credit for that. WVU and TCU really didn't play anyone besides a couple bad Big Ten teams. All of those games are accounted for when determining their position in and SOS in computer models and I couldn't care less who other Big 12 teams played in the non conference. I'd be happy if ISU got to play weak teams like some of them.
The point is those teams you named are the top teams in your conference, being they only played each other and really nobody else wouldn't that inflate the conference SOS or better yet completely and utterly debunk the SOS argument that you all hold so dearly....this is especially true when they had a sub .500 performance in the bowl (you know when they actually play somebody of merit out of conference) and finished 7th out of all conferences. That means they were the worst of all P5 conferences and even had worse % than 1 of the non P5 conference....so you tell me how in the hell SOS matters what so ever.
EDIT: After research it appears the big 12 was actually worse than 7th, they tied for 9th with worst winning % with the MAC and actually only finished slightly ahead of the AAC. SO please please please tell me about SOS
So you think the Big 12 and Iowa sucked at football because of their bowl performances? I disagree
Dan McCarney. Gene Chizik was 1-1. Paul Rhoads was 3-4. Both of those winning percentages were better than their overall career winning percentages at ISU.
After the past 2 seasons do you think it makes sense for Iowa fans to argue that bowl performance should be weighted heavily in the context of these discussions?
I definitely think Iowa's bowl performance was complete crap,
Absolutely I think Iowa's bowl performance was a giant suckball, however, I am not arguing that fact. I am debunking the fact you constantly bring up SOS when it is obvious that has no merit. Furthermore, what the hell does SOS matter if you win 25% or less of your games annually. Give it a rest dude and go to your own board and talk about SOS. Mean while in Iowa City we will count our trophies, discuss actual game results, and talk about playing games past the month of november.
When comparing conferences, absolutely. Besides, what do ISU fans know about bowl games anyway....play in one before commenting
SOS has merit, I'm not sure why you would say it doesn't. You talk about non conference opponents like SOS doesn't account for how good they are. ISU had a very difficult schedule last year, much more difficult than Iowa if you would like to compare the two. Those are facts.
ISU would probably win a couple more games a year if they played in the B1G, especially if they caught a favorable schedule, but it's not like they'd compete for titles or anything in a different league. Iowa fans in this very thread have said as much
Ummm.. ever heard of the Insight.com Bowl or the highly esteemed Independence bowl in the lovely city of Shreveport-Bossier City? Haha!
Honestly I think you guys get a little carried being so offended when someone brings up "SOS". Obviously the formulas aren't perfect, but do you think who you play and where you play them has no bearing on your record? That's just crazy.
I took a glance at next years Iowa schedule and my 2 thoughts were: NDSU is a dangerous game and at least they have to play Michigan.
SOS is based too much on preseason rankings and if you look at who the big 12 played in non conference it is merely based on head to head between conference opponents (especially since there are only 3 non conference games) and then when they did play somebody out of conference they finished 9th in bowl win percentage. does that not make sense to you clone fans???? Thinking ISU would win more games with Iowa's schedule is just comical to most of us
What alternate universe are you living in, cy? Each of the teams you list can claim superiority to isu.
Maryland, for instance, has won nine games as recently as 2010 (this decade) and can claim 66.7% of isu's bowl win total by looking only as far back as 2008. Likewise, Rutgers has multiple (as in more than the single one that isu has) nine win seasons and a Pinstripe Bowl victory over isu from 2011. Purdue may be down at the present, but there is absolutely nothing that indicates they are worse than isu. Indiana is likely as close as you can get incomparison.
Objectively, you would be very hard pressed to find another program from a Power 5 Conference to rival the depths of isu. No conference titles (modern era), not even an unshared division crown, only three bowl victories in twelve chances overall, rated what - maybe two or three times ever to end a season. Tell me another program with that type of resume.
That's a little tricky because last years Iowa State team probably would've found a way to lose to Iowa State. Haha! I do believe there's a good chance that ISU would've won more games against Iowa's schedule than they did against the one they played if that's what you meant.
Considering ISU is on every list for worst college football program of all time, I would say this is pretty accuarate. Probably the only time they will see top 25 in football in foreseeable future
I personally wouldn't argue with this. Have you encountered any ISU fans who do? Sometimes I think you guys get all worked up for no reason. Pay attention to what ISU fans are saying instead of hearing one minor slight against your beloved Hawks and then going off about unrelated issues. All you'll hear me say is that the rivalry has been quite competitive over the course of this century and Iowa has had a more forgiving schedule recently. That's it.
I've actually tried to come up with worse p5 programs historically. I think of Wake Forest, Duke, Indiana, and Temple off the top of my head. ISU may trail those programs too. Most of us are aware of this sad fact.
LOL maybe so, but please tell me where their 4 wins come from? Illinios State beat UNI, so that is not a given but just to make you smile win #1. Pitt-NO, North Texas- Win # 2, @ Wisconsin-Hell to the NO, Illinios-Not last year (they played well), NW-Beat Stanford and 10 wins-Nope, Maryland- Sure why not WIn #3, Indiana- Bowl team and competitive against everybody-Nope, Minny-Played and won bowl- so no, Purdue- sure win # 4, Nebby-Hell no. Then lets see how you fair against MSU and Stanford. So at most you win 4 games with Iowa's schedule, you should have won at least 4 or 5 with your current schedule (you lost to Toledo and TTU) so does the schedule really matter? Is the schedule the problem or is it the program?
I agree with the series being competitive, however; I wholeheartedly disagree with the whole schedule myth....
Toledo and Texas Tech were better than Illinois, Indiana and Minnesota. Sagarin has Toledo ranked ahead of Nebraska even.
You really don't think ISU's schedule was harder than Iowa's?
So you agree with me but you don't because you include 2 games as wins because they "should've been won". Wow ok you can go with that if you want to. I guess I lost.
So none of isu's coaches actually had a winning record against KF.
Got it.
Another myth busted. More please.
Sorry we'll continue to disagree about that. When you're in the BIG but avoid Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, and Penn State (in the regular season) you have an easier schedule than a round robin Big 12 schedule. Find me one singe college football expert who disagrees with that and I'll buy you an Ice Cream I promise!
I don't think isu would have won any more games had they played Iowa's schedule and probably won fewer.
Oh and if Sagarin was always right with their rankings then many of the bowl games would have had different outcomes. Of course isu grad will have a perfectly rational explanation as to why this didn't occur.
Can't wait to see it.
Sorry isu wouldn't have won any more games had they played Iowa's schedule and most likely would have won fewer. Someday the Texas Ten will play defense but that day isn't today and sure as hell was in 2015.
Hypothetically yes you could win 4 games (as if that is something to brag about LOL) but hypathetically you should have won 5 games with your schedule sooooo yeah
not fair. Using facts unless they support an isu grad myth or those that come straight from Pollard is unacceptable.
Do you need the memo again? isu grads are so much fun. What will they spin onto next?
Popcorn anyone?
Yet 4 is less than what Sagarin says you should have won.
Ouch does it hurt when you are owned this badly? Or tell us how it really is isu grad.
Pass the butter please.
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