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Pretty much every year this decade KSU has been just as good or better than Iowa besides last year.
Is this decade the cut off? I just wanna know where it is so I can claim we have a better program than Texas. But seriously though, we finish in the top 10 every 4 years on average and there arent too many teams in your conference that can accomplish that feat.
Better than Michigan and Nebraska as well according to isu grad logic.
Would that include the year 2015?
How many times has/did K-State finish the season ranked top ten in the country?
I said besides last year. K-State finished #11 in 2014, #12 in 2012 and #15 in 2011. Iowa has one top 25 finish this decade (#9 in 2015). I was just pointing out Kansas State has been better than Iowa 3 out of the last 5 years and 2013 was a wash so to say as long as they are on your schedule Iowa is a tougher game doesn't make sense.
Last time anyone checked, a decade was a consecutive ten-year period of time.
Over the most recent ten years, Iowa has finished ranked 20th in 2008 and 7th in 2009 following the Orange Bowl victory..
Laughable how clown fans point out the merits of other teams but not theirs.
I said every year this decade. ISU didn't do a round robin until 2010 so talking about SOS before that doesn't make sense. Rhoads didn't have to play Texas or Oklahoma in 2009.
Iowa was better in the mid to late 2000's, Kansas State was better the late 90's early 2000's.
I said this decade not the last decade. Sorry for the confusion. All I'm pointing out is saying Kansas State is a weak opponent or something doesn't make sense since recently they've been better than you. Yes Iowa was better than them before the round robin Big 12 schedule started
Iowa State has been pretty bad at football for a while, not many merits to point out.
isu has been bad and it has nothing to do with their schedule. If it did then SOS would show that teams with a tougher SOS would consistently beat teams with weaker SOS in bowl games.
Even when the myth is busted it doesn't prevent isu grads from touting it.
You may want to recheck your data source as some team named Mississippi State, not K-State finished 11th in the final AP Poll and it was Mizzou, not the Wildcats that were 11th in the Coaches' Poll.
isu also did not 'do' a round robin in 2010 as that was the final year of the twelve-team big xii. isu was 3-5 in conference play in 2010.
A decade is a decade so to speak. To infer otherwise, is simply being disingenuous at best. I'm guessing this comes directly from the isu booklet on how to 'spin' things to make them appear better than they really are.
And, just so we are clear, it has zero to do with any conference playing the 'round robin'.
My bad I read that wrong, they finished #18 in 2014. Also forgot about 2010 and they had Utah in October not 9 conference games. Haven't had my coffee yet
So, for anyone playing along here, we have learned that....
isu really has not generally, nor specifically performed better than Iowa in the game immediately following the instate match up;
that Iowa is not one of the six worst teams on isu's schedule much of the time;
that a decade means a period of ten, not less, years and that Kansas State has not been better than Iowa over that span of time.
Progress comes slowly to some.
Agree with that. Kansas State has been better than Iowa the last 5 years though so I guess I should have just stated it that way originally.
That largely is a matter of opinion. Using the same flawed logic, Iowa has been better than isu nearly every year for over a century... is that correct to you?
You said Iowa has been better than Kansas State in the last decade and I agreed with you. In the last decade Iowa has finished in the AP top 25 three times (#20, #7, #9). In that same time frame Kansas State has finished in the AP top 25 three times (#15, #12, #18). Kansas State has clearly been the better team the last 5 years. In the last 5 years they have finished in the AP top 25 three times and have 44 wins. In the last 5 years Iowa has finished in the AP top 25 once and have 38 wins.
Maybe, it'll be interesting to see how Iowa does this year. I thought they were going to be better than most expected because expectations were pretty low, this year I think they will win 8-9 games.
I usually predict more wins for Iowa when expectations are low and less wins when expectations are high since that seems to happen often. I think ISU wins 3 games but think Campbell is going to get them in the right direction, if he does he probably won't stay long though.
I'm really not sure of where exactly you think you are going with this, but, if you insist....
In the last five years, Iowa has 38 wins to its credit, isu has only 20. In the last decade, those totals become 79 wins for Iowa compared to just 41 for isu. Iowa has won bowl games including a BCS designated Orange Bowl; isu won the Insight Bowl by one point over six-win Minnesota in 2009 then proceeded to lose to Rutgers in the Pinstripe Bowl and to Tulsa in the Liberty Bowl (each by considerably more than a single point.) Iowa has finished ranked - isu has not.
Therefore, Iowa has clearly been the better team over the last five years, the last decade and , for whatever it is worth, forever seeing as Iowa holds a decisive edge in overall records since the inception of each of the football programs. That is your logic here.
Thanks for clearing things up.
If someone would say ISU has been a better football program than Iowa in the last 5 years or last decade they are incredibly stupid
Every time ISU hires a new coach, their fan base will say he is pointing ISU in the right direction. They get their hopes up and then they turn on their coach for poor performances on the field.
ISU can be a stepping stone for a better job, but usually its a bad move and they end up with a blemish on their coaching record.
It must suck being an ISU fan. Always making excuses, tugging at big brothers bootstraps with BS stats to try and make their crappy program look better.
Next year is the main theme with ISU.
Being an ISU football fan wouldn't be fun without beer and tailgating that's for sure. Being an ISU basketball fan is fun so I don't think it sucks being a fan in general. I really like what Campbell has done so far, if he leaves he will most likely leave the program in better shape than when he came which is all you can really ask for out of him.
Try as you might, you are missing the real point...
Anyone could say that Iowa has always and forever had a better football program than has isu using your reasoning. I hope that is the case because it will come in very handy in a few weeks/months or the next time we hear/read how isu is so much superior due to a win in OT by three points or even just keeping in close (albeit losing by two touchdowns) ala just last fall.
Im not your typical Iowa fan that hates everything ISU and wants them to lose every game, but their fan base makes it extremely hard to not think like this. I want ISU to achieve success, its makes the state of Iowa look better.
Making comments that Iowa is one of the worst teams on their schedule is comical. These comments are what pisses off Iowa fans and it screams little bro. Its like you know your program is terrible so you divert the attention to Iowa.
Nothing more than pure hope and speculation as the new coach and staff have yet to direct their first play. let alone game. Hey, at least you have a 'Chizik' coin toss chance of being correct but we have seen this play out so many times before and it has not been at all attractive. College football is evolving at a faster pace than ever. In some respects, the luxury of time may not be in isu's favor. Time will tell if they can get it right on the AD's third try at a new hire.
Basketball is and will always be secondary in the landscape of college athletics.
I think Campbell has done everything well he can so far and am happy with the energy and direction from his staff so far. It's such a positive compared to the prior one. I think 2017 will be the year we see what he can do just because I think the OLine will be abysmal this season.
Much like so many of the sentiments expressed in 2008/09 when local hero, Paul Rhoads was hired and in 2006 when your AD fired Dan McCarney before the season was even done in order to find the absolutely best man to lead isu above and beyond. How did that work out for you?
Worked out well because it put us in a situation to get Campbell in 2015. Genius long term plan by Pollard
Worked out well because it put us in a situation to get Campbell in 2015. Genius long term plan by Pollard
We shall all see, fairly quickly how true or far from reality that is. If I had to wager, my money would follow the 'we play such a tough schedule in the best conference ever' mentality that we have seen so much of on here over the past decade. The crack marketing folks in Ames have not made the task any easier for the new man in there.
ISU does play a tough schedule ever year. It'd be really nice to play a weak schedule every now and then but that's not going to happen anytime soon so Campbell just has to make the team better. Not much else you can do
When we played some weak schedules a few years ago, we screwed the pooch. That's why Danny Mac isn't the coach anymore.
And there you have it, the mentality that has failed isu in particular and the big xii for so long.
Exactly how is it that every other team in that league has somehow managed to have at a minimum its own day in the sun? Even Kansas has experienced success for a season or two recently. Only the 'woe is isu', the world is so against us all of the time can explain the lack of similar fate for the clones.
No, isu does not play a tough schedule every year. That is just another myth (isu performs better than Iowa in the game following, Iowa is one of the six worst, K-State is better than Iowa...) that perpetuates and repeats itself here again and again and again thanks to uninformed and/or overly-obsessed isu fans wishing it to be so.
Plenty of teams play schedules just as challenging as isu each and every year and most other teams/programs seem to deal with that fact significantly better than the team from Ames. It is nothing more than a tired and worn out excuse for the dismal performance and results for however many years or even decades anyone cares to look at.
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