ISU is 10-7 since 1998 unless you're counting this coming season. But you may proceed....
Little brother not so little anymore?
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If KF is 7-9 how could they have lost 11 of the last 17 genius? And its losing not loosing.
Sad thing is even though KF sucks against ISU least he can win 7+ games. What does that say about the ISU program when they celebrate Rhoads best season of 7-6 (His 1st with a bowl win over a lousy 6-6 Minny team).
I stand corrected on the 10 of 17. However, the 1998 loss belongs Hayden Fry. I also stand corrected on my improper grammar.
Or, this goes to show you how historically mediocre the B1G is?
jr/89/91 is claiming the only reason iSu sells 40K+ in season tickets is because we sell low cost season tickets. (Ahh I see...)
The OP is asking is iowa should be worried about iSu because iSu expanded the stadium and it looked impressive to the OP. (Yes it does look nice.) jrhok/89/91 is saying no because we sell $99 season tickets, which is a lie. Then he went with iSu season tickets are cheaper than iowa, which is patently false for about 80% of the season tickets iSu sells. 80% because 80% of the season tickets iSu sells are in the $425+donation category. (Mmmmm....sounds boring and expensive.)
If iSu sells a similar amount of season tickets this year as last year and iowa's numbers stay where they are project, iSu could actually beat iowa in season ticket sales for the first time in decades. (Where do you even find this information to know that it's been decades since ISU beat Iowa in season ticket sales?.....or are you guessing/assuming? I only ask because it seems like the older farts on this board are privy to such dated info.....or they're making it up.) That is absolutely crazy considering iSu just came off a 2-10 season and went 5-19 the last two seasons. And unlike jrhok/89/91 is trying to claim...it isn't due to $99 season tickets ore greatly reduced season tickets. It is due to a tiered ticket structure that offers different options and averages out to pretty much the same cost per season ticket as iowa.
As for overpaying, football is entertainment. (It is...) I think iSu fans view their entertainment as a day long adventure spent with friends. (Most people do. It's just the people on our message board like to complain- a f*** ton -and paint a bleaker picture of reality.) So while jrhok/89/91 laughs at parking it is part of the whole product. The product on the field definitely does not live up to the price tag (Hey that's what i said!) but I think the iSU fan support shows a very base group that will not dwindle in down times (patently true) and shows great potential for growth if the team has success. (Patently false. Your first issue is the key word success....in the Big/Texas 12. Secondly ISU will always have limitations to how much their fan base can grow and they'll always be smaller than Iowa. Of course ISU is also doing a much better job with this younger generation of painting Iowa as the bad guy, whether directly or indirectly, than you've done in the past so you do got that going for you down the road....and that's a true story.)
I was in Ames for the first time in a long time and I drove by Jack Trice. It's much more impressive than it used to be.
Should we be worried? They already beat us regularly as it is.
The picture provided isn't nearly as impressive as it is in person. The glass in front is being done now. It's looks good, unfortunately.
It's still in Ames, right?
I have a soft spot for Ames, I banged a lot of hot broads there. I stole Tinsleys girl from him back in the day. Or at least one of his girls. Probably just one of many.
Out of all the absurdity in your post, this one stood out. I was of the understanding "Tavern Hawks" was a derogatory term implying Hawkeye fans didn't actually attend the school...........and then you compare us to NEBRASKA?
Let me guess, another one of those hypothetical posts, like where you were a business owner? Will you now edit to be: "Let's say I did this..........."
Can you describe the potential, or what makes them "poised"? Size of fan base? Quality of coaching staff? Highly regarded recruits?
Serious question by the way, interested in your opinion.
Speaking just for myself (but probably many others), of course we wouldn't "trade schedules with ISU". No way would I give up Big Ten opponents for B12.
If you are asking, would I trade the rankings in my schedule? Absolutely. If you want to say ISU played 8 ranked teams last year, I, and many others I'm sure, would IMMEDIATELY sign up for that.
But I'm not doing it at the cost of playing TCU, Baylor, Kansas, KState and others, for many reasons, the easiest being our history. We WANT to play in the Big Ten. So do most schools.
You make an excellent point ..... the Iowa home schedule this season is about as unattractive as any I can remember in the 50 or so years I've been paying attention to Hawkeye football. The Minnesota game is the only one that stirs any interest in the average fan. Couple that with the general disappointment about the last couple of seasons, and it isn't at all surprising that season ticket sales are in the (relative) crapper.
I was a business owner though...so.....try reaching for something that is there. Being a Partner in ownership is still being an owner.
Yeah, I get that. What you would like is that your traditional rivals be ranked higher, so you could maintain the tradition and prestige of the BiG but see better quality opponents. Makes sense. There is no question that playing, say, Michigan and Penn State and Purdue sounds a lot better than playing Baylor, TCU and Kansas State, even if the latter three could kick the former three all over the stadium
Rather Iowa win and be mediocre than a dumpster fire of a program ISU. Though I'm sure every year ISU fan will say Big 12 is better and Iowa fan with Big 10. But still least Iowa has finished with an above .500 record in conf in last 10 years. As for scheduling how about all those years ISU played in the Big North.
When KF and Rhoads are gone least Iowa will be viewed as a respected program and not a bottom feeder like ISU has and will be.
I don't know how Pollard keeps getting people to shell out money for such a bad team. To me he is in a very tough spot if they are bad again this year. Can they afford to fire Rhoads? They have so much money invested in upgrades that they need to keep people in the seats to pay for everything but it will also cost them to fire Rhoads and hire somebody else. So do they take on more debt to try and get a winning coach which isn't likely given their history or just stay with Rhoads and just find ways to keep people buying tickets? I think Pollard is on thin ice. Whether he could control it or not he lost Hoiberg. He has hired two losing football coaches and one losing basketball coach and also lost Sanderson as wresting coach.
So you would rather play your conference division mates of Illinois, NW, Purdue instead of the exciting brand of football that Baylor and TCU (not to mention TX and OK) because of history? And we play them EVERY YEAR. You see Halley's comet more often than the teams teams in your conference that actually bring some clout and prowess (tOSU).
I would bet that maybe even as soon as this year Michigan and Penn State can compete with TCU and Baylor.
If Jamie decides to make a change, the buyout won't be a major consideration. Hell, the difference between what we're paying Prohm and what we were going to pay Fred would more than cover the Rhoads buyout, I would imagine. Moreover, if Rhoads is let go, it will because Jamie thinks ticket sales and contributions are going to suffer and he doesn't see light at the end of the tunnel.
What would put Pollard in a pickle is if ISU opens 4-1 or 3-2 and finishes 4-8 or 5-7 .... which is a scenario that isn't too far-fetched.
What does iSu get out of playing iowa besides a win more times than not?
I like the game and it is great for the state but iSu gets nothing out of it.
As for overpaying, football is entertainment. (It is...) I think iSu fans view their entertainment as a day long adventure spent with friends.(Most people do. It's just the people on our message board like to complain- a f*** ton -and paint a bleaker picture of reality.) So while jrhok/89/91 laughs at parking it is part of the whole product. The product on the field definitely does not live up to the price tag (Hey that's what i said! ) but I think the iSU fan support shows a very base group that will not dwindle in down times (patently true) and shows great potential for growth if the team has success. (Patently false. Your first issue is the key word success....in the Big/Texas 12. Secondly ISU will always have limitations to how much their fan base can grow and they'll always be smaller than Iowa. Of course ISU is also doing a much better job with this younger generation of painting Iowa as the bad guy, whether directly or indirectly, than you've done in the past so you do got that going for you down the road....and that's a true story.)
Please explain why iSu has limitations? The reduction of iowa's season tickets shows a lot of bandwagon fans that do not find the entertainment value and are going to be looking for other options. I know of one long time season ticket holder(business man) who discontinued iowa tickets and bought iSu tickets this year. Closer, he feels the overall atmosphere is more enjoyable and easier to get in and out, better overall entertainment value for his customers. It is only one example but it really caught me off guard. iSu has a larger student population all of which grew up when iSu was somewhat successful under DMac, LE, Rhoads and Fred. iSu has never had that. There is now a generation that has attended school and has seen success, have enjoyed the game day atmosphere, and are more entrenched. Unlike the 80s and 90s where students and fans saw very little athletic success. On top of that you have a rapid growing metro area within 40 mins where a lot of alum go to work once finished with college.
As for painting iowa as the bad guy....I don't think the younger generation views iowa as the bad guy near as much as my generation. My generation had to endure a decades worth + of beat downs. The younger generation now expects a win.
) but I think the iSU fan support shows a very base group that will not dwindle in down times (patently true) and shows great potential for growth if the team has success. (Patently false. Your first issue is the key word success....in the Big/Texas 12. Secondly ISU will always have limitations to how much their fan base can grow and they'll always be smaller than Iowa. Of course ISU is also doing a much better job with this younger generation of painting Iowa as the bad guy, whether directly or indirectly, than you've done in the past so you do got that going for you down the road....and that's a true story.)Please explain why iSu has limitations? The reduction of iowa's season tickets shows a lot of bandwagon fans that do not find the entertainment value and are going to be looking for other options. I know of one long time season ticket holder(business man) who discontinued iowa tickets and bought iSu tickets this year. Closer, he feels the overall atmosphere is more enjoyable and easier to get in and out, better overall entertainment value for his customers. It is only one example but it really caught me off guard. iSu has a larger student population all of which grew up when iSu was somewhat successful under DMac, LE, Rhoads and Fred. iSu has never had that. There is now a generation that has attended school and has seen success, have enjoyed the game day atmosphere, and are more entrenched. Unlike the 80s and 90s where students and fans saw very little athletic success. On top of that you have a rapid growing metro area within 40 mins where a lot of alum go to work once finished with college.
As for painting iowa as the bad guy....I don't think the younger generation views iowa as the bad guy near as much as my generation. My generation had to endure a decades worth + of beat downs. The younger generation now expects a win.
Hok myth # 2. That simply isn't true. UNI, OSU, KSU, OU, Texas and even Western Illionois draw larger crowds. Hell iowa only takes up two of the top ten largest crowd in iSu history
So KF is awesome because he wins 7 in the Big 10 but Minny sucks when they win 6 in the Big 10? Hmmmm Kinda tells me shitty teams can win in the Big 10.
Poised
- Administration support
- quality facilities
- strong foundation of loyal fans
- momentum from basketball
- large and growing population within 40 min
- a generation of alum that have witnessed success while attending school
Big 12 North=Big Ten West except the Big 12 North played one more South opponent every year than Big 10 West plays East opponent. In other words, iSu could dodge the best in the South for a year but iowa can dodge the best in the East for what....3 years?
but, I will agree...the Big 12 North was weak.
Firing Rhoads does not put him in a tough spot except that he personally likes Rhoads. Upgrades are mostly paid for by TV revenue and lead donors. Rhoads buyout is a non issue with savings from Fred leaving and donors. A new coach will lead to increased ticket sales....always does and Cyclone fans buy hope better than any fanbase. Easier for Pollard to sell hope than 5-19.
isu winning its Super Bowl is what isu coaches, players, AD and fans live for. Well that and their meaningless strength of schedule argument.
When will the Big start living up to their over rankings? Hasn't happened in football or MBB for the last decade.
When your last conference championship in football was the 1912 MVC co-championship with a 2-0-1 record, all isu fans have ever had is hope.
Minn didn't even want to play in that bowl game while Iowa State was on cloud nine.
Its not our superbowl but if that makes you feel superior while getting beat then great.
that isn't what the poster said. He said iowa was good last year and Minnesota was crappy even though they only had one less win than iowa. In other words...when Minnesota is 6-7 and loses to iSu...Minnesota is a crappy team. When iowa is 7-6 and loses to iSu they are a good team. I guess that four point win over Ball State is the difference maker.
It really is though. No matter how bad the season is, and I've heard this many times from numerous Clone fans/alum/whatever, as have many others. "2-10? Well, at least we beat Iowa,..hahhhaha,...derp."
Not to mention that I've heard "We could lose every game, but as long as we beat Iowa, I'm happy."
That being said, the facilities do look to be coming around nicely.
Never said KF was awesome but at least he has one more than 7 games something Rhoads has done once. And yes look at 2009 Minnesota they won 3 non conference games all by 7 or less. They were 3-5 in conf. A logical college fan would realize most 6-6 teams would be .500 or below in conf.
Actually ISU best team ever with 9 Ws Did not play OU or Texas and would play them 2 years then not play either of them for 2 years. So they weren't dodging them only for 1 year.
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