I would say he wasn't actively pursuing those recruits, rather than turning them down.
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I would say he wasn't actively pursuing those recruits, rather than turning them down.
Excellent work! So we know he recruited at least one of the 32 you listed, LOL! Now to prove the theory that he wasn't recruiting other top p4p talent, instead intentionally trying to stockpile the #11-#30 guys, I'll just need the following:
1) How many of the 31 you listed did Iowa not recruit?
2) How many of the 31 did Iowa recruit, but the recruit chose someplace else? If they land some of those instead of miss on them, what would those numbers you posted look like? Would one or two really good ones lead to more good ones ( see Kemerer, Marinelli, Lee, and Warner)?
Obviously I'm joking (but if you could produce those answers it would be great). That's what we don't know, and why this can even be a discussion.
3) On a side note, was John Smith employing the same strategy as Tom Brands during this period? The numbers look like it, right? So it must be true?
Momentum plays a huge role in this. Iowa lost it, while PSU and Ohio State built it. It's coming back. When PSU's run is over (and that day will come) and these numbers are flip-flopped, will the PSU faithful say, "Well look at the numbers, Carl must have stopped recruiting the best p4p recruits and (insert college here - hopefully our Hawks!) caught up to us"? They might say that. They might be wrong.
Great forum here. Great discussion. Best fanbase in sports. #GoHawks!
I'm going to say that Iowa probably recruited less than 10 of those 31 just by going back and looking at the top ten recruits from those years. In some cases, I think we lost out on guys like Stieber, the Alton's, and Nolf for sure that I remember being discussed on here. A lot of that had to do with distance and the rising programs that they had in-state and in some cases set the ball rolling in landing other recruits nearby. My original guess looking over those was that Iowa didn't recruit 25 out of 31 that chose any of the programs that Tarp listed above. That's just going off of my memory of discussion on here, the location of the recruits and who we already had in the room.
I think we recruited Logan Stieber, Dylan and Andrew Alton, Jason Tsirtsis, Zain Retherford, Chance Marstellar, Jason Nolf and maybe Bo Jordan of those 31. I could be totally off base and we could have recruited more or less of those but just my thoughts.
It's also interesting to note that 6 of the 9 guys Iowa recruited from 11-30 were from IA, IL, or MN while only 2 of the 31 recruits in the top top 10 were from neighboring states. Maybe they were going more regional in their recruiting and we're happy with those guys in the 11-30 range because they were closer?
For discussion sake...say you're correct. If we land Logan and Nolf, or Zain and Nolf, or some other really good pair, that could significantly alter the landscape of college wrestling. Not just because of those two recruits, but also for the momentum it creates and who comes next.
These high school kids from all across the country know each other unlike the old days when we had no social media, no Flo, no internet for that matter. Not to mention the personal interaction with the increased number of national tournaments for elite high school wrestlers. They are more easily exposed to the influence of their peers in the wrestling community. It makes a difference.
PSU has fish jumping into their boat right now. It's not some special recruiting strategy they have come up with. We have simply lost the recruiting battle with them, and other schools. The tide will turn. #GoHawks!
Obviously, any combination of those guys I listed would have changed the tide but we were also fighting an uphill battle with the majority of those recruits ultimately choosing a school closer to home. I think you're seeing the Brands' change their philosophy to recruit more nationwide and that means more top 10 guys.
You don't think he was pursuing any top tens?
Seriously? He was purposefully avoiding recruiting them to build depth 11-50?
Looking closer at those numbers, I found out that 6 of PSU's 9 Top 10's came from within Pennsylvania and 5 of the 8 for OSU came from Ohio. It's easy to recruit when you have more talent in your home state. I wouldn't necessarily say it's a philosophy to recruit more Top 10's for Penn State during that time frame, they were just in a better position to do so based on location and talent available. Meanwhile, there were only 4 Top 10's from Iowa, Minnesota and Illinois combined. These are areas that we are traditionally strong in recruiting. I think it's a combination of the staff understanding that they need to expand their recruiting efforts nationally instead of getting a number of lower tiered recruits locally.
Yep! Didn't you hear? It's called the "Bang for the Buck" tactic. LOL. The likes of which hadn't been seen since Custer at the Battle of Little Big Horn.
You are absolutely correct and this shows the major reason why Iowa has fallen off a bit and how hard it will be to compete with PSU and tOSU for the foreseeable future. As long as PSU and tOSU can keep the best recruits in-state, they will be very hard to beat!
Ryan got a full release from Iowa -> http://iawrestle.com/2017/08/23/logan-ryan-transferring-to-northern-iowa/
This is exactly what my response was going to be, I'm just late to the party.
They may have wanted those top 10 recruits as much as any other team, but it might have been the money they could/would allocate to them when it came down to it. They may have already had too much money allocated to other wrestlers, or said something like "we need x guys around y weight, so we can only offer $Z to you".
Obviously, I'm just guessing here, but that's how I see it in my head.
Tried but just can not resist. It is about the money; rich uncles and some wrestlers/parents not wanting scholarship money or willing to take deferred payments.
Actually, granted a release..... awww heck, never mind.
Well max Thomson is UNI's 149 pounder but Ryan was wrestling 65 last year. Bryce steiert was UNI's 65 last year and I would be shocked if Ryan could beat him
Yeah that would be much more realistic for him starting, paden Moore was their starter last year finishing the year 15-17
Funny things happen to the bodies of young men when they are allowed to eat.
Not what was reported in the article. Poor journalism, or did Tom or the athletic department change their mind? Sorry if the answer is revealed above, not going to read through 4 pages.
No need to read 4 pages to know that potential borderlines guys are treated different by TnT. Logan Ryan wasn't even a borderline guy. Hence, I couldn't understand why he didn't get a release.
What, a plan for professional weight management that revolves around the long term plans of the program based on team needs and strategic planning? I am more convinced, these guys are too old school to make the transition. Great coaches, Hall of Fame wrestlers, but the new talent acquisition and managemnet paradigm seems beyond them. I only see them getting back on top, if they can learn to defer some of these high end decisions to other staff members.
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