Steve King got elected how many times? Before the idiots caught on.
*****MAGA in disarray, who will be speaker of the House***** McCarthy REMOVED! Jim Jordan 0-3. Election denier Mike Johnson confirmed. Vote them out
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Like the conclave of cardinals electing the pope
Actually, your suggestion was discussed around Rd 4/5, because McCarthy's PAC is one of the most influential ones in regards to GOP fundraising. McCarthy apparently agreed to not fund any Republican candidates that choose to run against Republican incumbents in a primary.
So, in essence, they are trying to eliminate competition in a primary.
If these yo yos refuse to authorize spending to meet the debt limit to get their jollies off, what then?
It's what they've lived for and wouldn't hesitate.
First they came for the liberals and McCarthy cheered them on because McCarthy isn't a liberal,
Then they came for the RINO's and McCarthy cheered them on because McCarthy isn't a RINO,
Now they've come for McCarthy and the liberals and RINO's are having a good laugh.
Then they came for the RINO's and McCarthy cheered them on because McCarthy isn't a RINO,
Now they've come for McCarthy and the liberals and RINO's are having a good laugh.
At this point, they need to be playing the Benny Hill theme song on the House Floor during every vote for this.
McCarthy and his supporters should pull all concessions afforded the 20 no votes and then go scorched earth and see how that works. Making repeated over-the-top concessions and making up no ground is a losing proposition, and only weakens the position he is trying to attain. It is ridiculous they are allowing 20 people to control the outcome by trying the same thing over and over.
This is the inevitable consequence of the extreme gerrymandering that was required for them to even get this slim majority. When your district is safely Republican, the primary is where the election is decided, and only the most committed, right wing conservatives vote in primaries.
I guess they're that smart. The last guy from Montana I think that nominated Donalds went on and on about House rules not allowing debate on bills, as if bills are hashed out on the House floor. Bills are authorized in committees, written by staff and congressmen, go through umpteen vetting and approval processes prior to submission for vote. It would be interesting to know this guy's attendance record and whether he could pass a test on House processes.
Edit: Beyond this, every Representative has a responsibility to take initiative. If any issue is relevant to their District, it is incumbent on them to research and explore. These are people are adults. We need less bitching and whining and more representation.
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Think they will see the error and then begin to reverse gerrymandering, if the GOP will put money into an alternate and try to primary out the extremists or if they will just continue to flounder (and likely it will get worse) or other?
They only flounder when they have the majority and they can't control the extremists. When republicans are in the minority they want the extremist attack dogs.
Yep, when they're in the minority, they can just bitch against the Dems.
Now...they get to prove they got nothin...as the majority.
They are lucky for that RedWave we saw last November...
BTW...that was sarcasm.
Update ...McCarthy is already toast and we're only 150 votes into Rd10.
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Well, now the dog caught the car and doesn't know what to do. So, do they figure out how to work together in the next 2 years OR, do they make changes in 2024? That is what I asked. It's obvious for the first week they can't control the extremists, now that they think the Ds are irrelevant, they are eating themselves, but what about when losing the majority is a real issue?
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I agree with this. At this point McCarthy is basically negotiating against himself every round, and all they have to do is keep saying "no" to keep getting more/better concessions. Just pull everything he can from them - all of the concessions, any of PAC funding - in fact, say explicitly that he will ONLY fund election campaigns of candidates running against "the 20".
This is a great point. I honestly believe some of these MAGA types have no idea how any of this works.
The extremists aren't going anywhere. The republican voters now prefer the extremists and so that's what the future looks like.
I don't think that is an official part of the conclave but I do know in the past they have used discomfort to encourage a decision.
So that is sort of where I got the idea.
No they won't, candidates and GOP voters still gush over Reagan every campaign season and that was the entirety of his political philosophy.
SIAP
I'm watching BBC News and they just showed a clip of Gaetz voting for Trump.
Wouldn't it be fun if that caught on.
I'm watching BBC News and they just showed a clip of Gaetz voting for Trump.
Wouldn't it be fun if that caught on.
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I was trying to give them some credit. Wishful thinking I guess.
See, this is where I diverge. I think there are some extremists everywhere (and some concentrated crazy (Matt G in FL)), but many who are middle ground (but it is certainly to the right of the old middle ground). And if the GOP keeps having the extremists undermine the party as a whole, does the party step in and try to weed out (try to primary out Boebert etc.). I just don't see the GOP allowing the minority to have an unfettered ownership LONG TERM now that they see what happens when they are in the majority.
Again, the dog now caught the car, they are seeing what happens, do they change the party approach? You obviously say no. But, I do expect that in 2 years, if we have had no progress, folks will flip back and Blue gets the majority back.
I mean, Jan. 6th should have changed the party's approach but nope.
They either change the approach or the party splits at some point neutering it completely. It's crazy to see how the parties changed. Republicans used to be the Big Tent that worked towards moderate approaches but allowed all types of viewpoints; then the tea party started and they've slowly tried to run purity tests over and over on candidates pushing them further to the edges. The moderates have either quit, had to pretend to be extreme while still believing more moderate beliefs, or they've actually converted as they always felt that way before.
The further they push to the right the less of an influence they will have nationally. You have to be able to garner middle ground votes to win national elections and Democrats are now becoming the big tent party.
Thats a fair counter point. I think McCarthy and crew felt they had it all under control even after that. Now, they are seeing maybe not so much....
I do agree, if a person shrugs off Jan 6, they are NOT in the middle.
edit - maybe I need to reevaluate MY definition of "moderate" "and middle".......
66% of Republicans don't consider the January 6 Capitol riot to be an attack on the government, according to a new poll
77% of Republicans also said that former President Donald Trump bears little to no responsibility for the attack, according to a Quinnipiac poll.
www.businessinsider.com
Yea, the horse left the barn a long time ago and now they may not be able to get it back.
The only person who could stop that would be the Speaker. It would absolutely pass if they put it up for a vote
While the whole body isn't feeling the effects of the infection, the virus is now in the body and it's spreading.........
I have to wonder whether they're meeting behind doors, getting promises to vote for McCarthy just to see how much they can make him dance and then voting for Mickey Mouse just for the hell of it afterwards to make him look stupid.
I mean he's got to realize that group is never going to vote for him at this point and they're just doing this to get their own faces on tv. When do you start working to find someone else to nominate who you can work with and who you can convince at least some of the 20 to vote for? Or is that 20 going to refuse to vote for anyone unless they are a fully vetted treasonous snake as well?
I mean he's got to realize that group is never going to vote for him at this point and they're just doing this to get their own faces on tv. When do you start working to find someone else to nominate who you can work with and who you can convince at least some of the 20 to vote for? Or is that 20 going to refuse to vote for anyone unless they are a fully vetted treasonous snake as well?
I actually think if they split and the left side (of the split) was more open on equality, boarders, abortions, and gun control, then they would actually grow to the majority as they'd steal from the democrats. As a liberal I don't want everyone coming over the boarder but I also don't want to deport dreamers. There is a party needed in the middle and I certainly would be open to it.
I think it would be interesting if he was officially nominated to see how many Republican members would be willing to vote against him. They could prove they've moved on, but he might actually win so I don't know if I want really it to happen.
