Marco Rubio is a POS
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You really like the idea of forcing someone to vote? People show up and there's little more to it than a coin flip?
I just don't think it's valuable.
That's hilarious.
I would have suspected he was buying suckers and a sippy cup with a picture of the Flintstones.
I’d lean the other direction, toward more complete brain growth, before allowing voting.
We moved the vote to 18 because of sympathy for people being drafted with no say and sent overseas to die in a stupid war.
Let’s just avoid the stupid wars instead of having children vote.
Dems got into the everybody needs to vote thing really hard because it's advantageous for them.
But it's not just vote -- it's vote with some sort of thought and intention, to think and vote. That's what you want.
(unless you just care about winning)
You add a "None of the Above" (NOTA) option to the list of candidates. And you use some version of Instant Runoff voting (IRV).
You make it really easy to vote.
We'd be asking people to show up (or vote from home) every other year. A few minutes of their time, every other year. If a society can't ask that little, is it really a society? Anyone who thinks this is an attack on freedom is an idiot.
And, yes, those simple changes - NOTA and IRV - make it much more valuable than a coin flip. If voters haven't been sufficiently engaged by the candidates to want them, that's good to know. If people are effing tired of choosing between a pair of bought-and-paid-for corporate shills, then damn right NOTA should win.
And if NOTA wins, we hold another election and the folks who couldn't even beat NOTA, can't run again.
Obviously this wouldn't fix our failing democracy, but it would be a good step.
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Or we could invest in our schools and make sure our young voters know more than the average red hat. I admit that's a really low bar, but it would be an improvement.
That said, I'm not committed to the 16-year-old part. But I'd be willing to try it.
Yes -- because most societies don't do that? (See: all the the countries we respect the most)
Compulsory Voting | International IDEA
Most democratic governments consider participating in national elections a right of citizenship. Some consider that participation at elections is also a citizen's civic responsibility. In some countries, where voting is considered a duty, voting at elections has been made compulsory and has been...
It would be an interesting idea to explore, but that's about all I can say. Reminds me of my 18 year old sister asking how our family usually votes years back. OK I'll just do that. You'll capture a ton of the well I think my family usually votes this way vote. And then you'd really have to worry about ballot design so that people don't just mark off the thing that gets through the process as quick as possible.
You're like the republican who cares so much about voter ID all of a sudden. There are arguments for it. Impetus for your interest? Winning. You're unlikely pure of heart. You want young people voting so conservatives lose.
I’m talking about physiological growth, not the education system.
I’d rather go with eligibility to vote between the ages of 25-65. After 65 you live with the results 40 years of voting brought (bought?).
Asking to raise the age to vote because "kids' brains aren't developed enough" isn't going to go over well in Tennessee where the red-hats want to marry off 12 year olds.
Sure it will they want those girls home with no right to vote where they belong
This is why people like @Finance85 believe these election fraud conspiracy theories
Florida should be the model for other states to follow....really learned from 2000.
You guys just hate it when your hypocrisy is pointed out.
Here is 12 minutes of Democrats denying elections reults.
And that's his whole message. It's not that it's rigged, he's saying "we figured this out in FL, why can't everyone else?"
Hopefully he doesn't think he's going to run for president again and make voting his platform, but it's an area where he can get bipartisan support.
Come on, now. So many good things in modern societies previously fell into the "most societies don't do that" category. Most rights, for example. Hardly a good argument against.
I mean it's not like Australia or the other 22 nations who have some form of voting requirement are executing or jailing non-voters. It's a modest fine in Australia.
More than 96 percent of eligible Australians are enrolled to vote. Of those, more than 90 percent typically turn out to cast ballots for a federal election, far more than the 55 percent of eligible Americans who participated in the 2016 presidential election.
Australians are induced to vote with both sticks and carrots. Shirkers can be fined up to nearly 80 Australian dollars if they fail to show at the polls. But voting, which always takes place on a Saturday, is also made easy and efficient, and is often accompanied by a community barbecue that includes eating what locals affectionately call “democracy sausages.”
How Compulsory Voting Works: Australians Explain (Published 2018)
Our readers from Australia shared their thoughts about being required to vote and helped explain the ins and outs of the process.
LoL
Election fraud happens. It's not some conspiracy theory. There's a difference between individuals committing fraud, which has been happening forever, and some rigged election.
Richard Daley and Huey Long are real.
The people convicted in Georgia for fraud after the last election are real.
The people in the Villages in Florida are real.
The elections officials in AZ and CO are real.
Get back to me if you can show any evidence they aren't real.
Drama queen and exaggerating.
However, it is ridiculous with the technology we have today that the votes are not counted in a much quicker and efficient fashion than what Arizona is doing.
However, it is ridiculous with the technology we have today that the votes are not counted in a much quicker and efficient fashion than what Arizona is doing.
What’s the good argument in favor of compelling a vote from someone who is uninterested, and thereby more likely uninformed?
Do you think you’d build a better house if you drafted more carpenters who can’t swing a hammer or identity a load bearing wall to help you build it?
I've been giving it some thought. Technology is the obvious answer. They are no perfect safeguards, and there will need to be manual processes for the foreseeable future to accommodate those who are technically challenged.
First, we should try to eliminate mail in votes and absentee votes. These rely on the mail, and there are different rules about when they must be postmarked, received, etc. I think the answer is online voting. The potential issue with that is identity theft, and fraud. I think the solution is having a dedicated site and secure site, and issuing a security token, and validate a biometric factor like fingerprint or eye scan.
If people want to still mail in a paper ballot, that would be fine, but it would have to be RECEIVED by election day, by mail or by drop box. That would eliminate the date and postmark scrutiny. Having an electronic portal solves the issue of Military mail in ballots, and just sketchy USPS wait times in general.
Internet security would be the major factor overall. Local governments aren't the best at that. Heck, even the Defense Department has been hacked. There are ways to deal with that though.
First, we should try to eliminate mail in votes and absentee votes. These rely on the mail, and there are different rules about when they must be postmarked, received, etc. I think the answer is online voting. The potential issue with that is identity theft, and fraud. I think the solution is having a dedicated site and secure site, and issuing a security token, and validate a biometric factor like fingerprint or eye scan.
If people want to still mail in a paper ballot, that would be fine, but it would have to be RECEIVED by election day, by mail or by drop box. That would eliminate the date and postmark scrutiny. Having an electronic portal solves the issue of Military mail in ballots, and just sketchy USPS wait times in general.
Internet security would be the major factor overall. Local governments aren't the best at that. Heck, even the Defense Department has been hacked. There are ways to deal with that though.
It's not fraud when you complicate the process so much that you introduce errors. That's something worth complaining about and not BS
I think the solution is one day in person voting with id unless you have a documented reason for absentee (eg you’re on ssi and not allowed to drive or you’re military and deployed). That’s it.
Exactly. The dem get out the vote crap and canvassing neighborhoods is bs.
Only if we cap voting at 75 then. The brain starts to deteriorate and most will be dead within a few years. They won't be around to deal with the consequences of their votes.
Critiquing states like AZ and others who seemingly take weeks to count votes every time is a legitimate critique. But it doesn't mean that fraud is at play, it just means they have a really inefficient system of counting votes. It's one of the reasons I'd like for the electoral system to be guided by a Federal list of best practices that provide both safety and integrity AND efficiency.
I initially campaigned for Jeb Bush during that primary, but when Bush dropped out I switched to Rubio. Then Trump did that, and Rubio became someone I now despise. It's amazing how many of those politicians went from actively calling out Trump as the con-man he was to then totally bending the knee to him later on. Shows just how little they truly stand for.
It'll be interesting to see what happens to the GOP after Trump. I lean left on most issues, but hardly consider myself a democrat. That being said, I've voted straight Dem since Trump became the leader of the party, and I will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. First thing they gotta do is drop the turd to but back some goodwill.
Let me get this straight - you want to secure elections by putting voting online…which is hackable?
No one’s ever said our elections are 100% secure. As long as humans are involved, the risk for fraud exists. We can find a handful of cases every election but never the widespread, systemic cases you and others keep trying tk allege is out there.
Most of what you’re complaining about is because we don’t have one set of rules for elections. Vote counting could be done sooner if several states didn’t require waiting until after polls close to start counting absentee/mail-in ballots for example.
Yes. It was interesting Rubio and Hannity didn’t mention that, for some strange reason.
Yes - and the Maricopa County Board of Elections is a Republican. Doesn’t change the fact that there’s no excuse for them not to correct the issues so no one can run their mouths about any sort of “fraud”. They still have those electronic voting machines that caused problems in 2020. Dump those stupid things and go back to the paper ballots. Shut up the naysayers. On either side. Surely I’m not the only one who’s tired of these accusations?
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