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Marco Rubio is a POS

Formerly Rockymtnole said:
My guess is what’s happening is all these 2016 GOP retreads are working up the courage again to step out now that Trump is diminished. I suspect Cruz and Rubio will test the waters. They all think they’re the next best hope. Idiots.
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So then you must think the Dems have a deep bench?
LOFL if they did we wouldn’t have ended up with Joey Delaware Dimwit Applesauce as our President.
 
goldmom said:
Yes - and the Maricopa County Board of Elections is a Republican. Doesn’t change the fact that there’s no excuse for them not to correct the issues so no one can run their mouths about any sort of “fraud”. They still have those electronic voting machines that caused problems in 2020. Dump those stupid things and go back to the paper ballots. Shut up the naysayers. On either side. Surely I’m not the only one who’s tired of these accusations?
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Had he simply left it there, no problem. I thought it was entirely irresponsible to say stuff like finding ballots all over when that’s the very thing Trump said, and knowing how central AZ was to Trump’s fraud claims, and knowing what Lake has been saying during the campaign. They did not mention the GOP involvement in all the complexities in AZ, and left the impression that Ds were up to shady stuff. Just irresponsible.

If we don’t have trust in elections we are screwed. Was glad to see most everyone conceded graciously where appropriate after this election.
 
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Finance85 said:
LoL

Election fraud happens. It's not some conspiracy theory. There's a difference between individuals committing fraud, which has been happening forever, and some rigged election.

Richard Daley and Huey Long are real.

The people convicted in Georgia for fraud after the last election are real.

The people in the Villages in Florida are real.

The elections officials in AZ and CO are real.

Get back to me if you can show any evidence they aren't real.
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Finance85, you really think there is widespread election fraud any of the last 20 years that has effected an outcome? I don't think so. You may have a handful of cases (might I say primarily republican in the most recent history) and nothing has come close to effecting an election. Until you have more proof, please go away with these conspiracy theories.
 
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bunsen82 said:
Finance85, you really think there is widespread election fraud any of the last 20 years that has either effected an outcome? I don't think so. You may have a handful of cases (might I say primarily republican in the most recent history) and nothing has come close to effecting an election. Until you have more proof, please go away with these conspiracy theories.
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It had no EFFECT in 2000 because the SCOTUS would not allow it to AFFECT the outcome.
 
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goldmom said:
It had no EFFECT in 2000 because the SCOTUS would not allow it to AFFECT the outcome.
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Is that election covered in the last 20 years? I purposefully tried to exclude the 2020 election and hanging chad issues. Still wasn't fraud in my opinion. That was whether you considered what was a valid vote or not, major difference.
 
bunsen82 said:
Is that election covered in the last 20 years? I purposefully tried to exclude the 2020 election and hanging chad issues. Still wasn't fraud in my opinion. That was whether you considered what was a valid vote or not, major difference.
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Grammar and spelling are your friends but the main point of my post went right past you...
 
Formerly Rockymtnole said:
Jjust heard him on Hannity and he was complaining about the Arizona voting processes. Said something to the effect of “You guys are covering this and it’s like covering a Third World country… They keep finding ballots all over the place and the numbers keep changing…”

Such bullshit for him to insinuate there’s election fraud, after all the country has been through. And besides, aren’t they dealing with election changes put in place by the GOP legislature?

Despicable
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Yeah, it is super weird that the numbers would change as more ballots are counted 😂
 
Moral said:
I saw Marco Rubio at a grocery store in D.C. last year. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
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Not to sound like someone who isn’t a creep, but I want to meet you.
 
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goldmom said:
Yes - and the Maricopa County Board of Elections is a Republican. Doesn’t change the fact that there’s no excuse for them not to correct the issues so no one can run their mouths about any sort of “fraud”. They still have those electronic voting machines that caused problems in 2020. Dump those stupid things and go back to the paper ballots. Shut up the naysayers. On either side. Surely I’m not the only one who’s tired of these accusations?
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hard to update machines when they don’t get the funds to do so.
goldmom said:
But all the 2016 Republican candidates are “idiots”.
Okay.
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Losing to Trump does not express confidence in their intelligence.
 
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MitchLL said:
I'm channel surfing again tonite and all Fox Opinion Network can do tonite is trot in some candidates that won in "solid Red" races...Ron Johnson, Rubio, and Suckabee Sanders.

They see remaining uncounted votes trending Blue and are avoiding the obvious.

They can't explain, or won't accept, the fact that the Red Wave disintegrated.
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I can explain it, ritualistic baby killing was more important to people who vote blue than the economy. It’s sad really.
 
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goldmom said:
Grammar and spelling are your friends but the main point of my post went right past you...
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Gold mom, go ahead and attack my spelling and grammar, I am an accountant :). You may want to work on your reading comprehension and responding with relevant time periods and remaining on topic. Mine is that there has not been any significant fraud that has affected a single election in the last 20 YEARS. Agree or disagree but that is my statement and I stand by it.

You were the one that responded to my post. I merely stated no fraud had occurred in the last 20 years. Then you try to bring something up from the 2000 election (22 years ago) that again had no fraud. If your post had no relevant response to my post then I am not sure why you quoted it. Yes you are correct your main point flew right by me and I still don't know what your point is.
 
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SolarHawk said:
It'll be interesting to see what happens to the GOP after Trump. I lean left on most issues, but hardly consider myself a democrat. That being said, I've voted straight Dem since Trump became the leader of the party, and I will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. First thing they gotta do is drop the turd to but back some goodwill.
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Same. I'm still registered Republican. But I haven't voted for one since that election outside of Primaries. I'm not unmoved by some Republican stances, at least what they used to be. But the current version where cruelty and wealth worship (Along with a good helping of Putin paid ponies) are the primary goals of the Republican party simply pushed me away. Until they get back to a compassionate approach of conservatism that still looks to bring about the best for ALL people in the US then I'm not interested. Dems are flawed, but at least their goal is to raise people up rather than destroy them. And yes, there's a bit too much cancel culture; but that's like any pendulum. For so long people could do or say anything they wanted and the tension just kept ratcheting up on that pendulum that once it broke free it swung hard. It'll start to (And already is) to settle down a bit.
 
seminole97 said:
What’s the good argument in favor of compelling a vote from someone who is uninterested, and thereby more likely uninformed?

Do you think you’d build a better house if you drafted more carpenters who can’t swing a hammer or identity a load bearing wall to help you build it?
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Hmmm. That's a pretty good argument for not letting Republicans vote.

Maybe I should reconsider.

Kidding aside, you seem to be missing the point that people are only being mandated to cast their ballot - not to vote for any particular person or ballot issue.

If they want to be ignorant and just vote NOTA or "present" they can do that. You're acting like asking them to show up for a few minutes every 2 years is communism or something.

I would argue it's among the least onerous things we can and should ask of citizens.
 
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bunsen82 said:
Gold mom, go ahead and attack my spelling and grammar, I am an accountant :). You may want to work on your reading comprehension and responding with relevant time periods and remaining on topic. Mine is that there has not been any significant fraud that has affected a single election in the last 20 YEARS. Agree or disagree but that is my statement and I stand by it.

You were the one that responded to my post. I merely stated no fraud had occurred in the last 20 years. Then you try to bring something up from the 2000 election (22 years ago) that again had no fraud. If your post had no relevant response to my post then I am not sure why you quoted it. Yes you are correct your main point flew right by me and I still don't know what your point is.
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Fraud has always existed. And it didn’t start 20 years ago. My issue was my pet peeve about affect/effect. (Catholic school kid)
I don’t necessarily disagree with your larger point. And I honestly appreciate accountants. They were helpful in my career.
 
goldmom said:
Fraud has always existed. And it didn’t start 20 years ago. My issue was my pet peeve about affect/effect. (Catholic school kid)
I don’t necessarily disagree with your larger point. And I honestly appreciate accountants. They were helpful in my career.
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Then why bring up the 2000 election?

I don't deny fraud exists. However it is so miniscule that is not even worth having a discussion about it in the grand scheme of things. We are creating more fraud attempts from republicans trying to do this because they feel democrats are stealing the election. Just go back and look at the cases since 2012. Over and over again primarily republicans afraid that democrats are stealing the election. However, it is a vote here and there. Nothing that affects the integrity of elections. If effect and affect was your point fine . . . however I don't think it was. I'll move on. I know this is a message board, I also know that I don't proofread my posts generally, so when individuals try to distract the main point of a post with a grammatical error . . . I guess I see it as just distracting from the topic at hand. None of these posts are being graded.
 
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bunsen82 said:
Then why bring up the 2000 election?

I don't deny fraud exists. However it is so miniscule that is not even worth having a discussion about it in the grand scheme of things. We are creating more fraud attempts from republicans trying to do this because they feel democrats are stealing the election. Just go back and look at the cases since 2012. Over and over again primarily republicans afraid that democrats are stealing the election. However, it is a vote here and there. Nothing that affects the integrity of elections. If effect and affect was your point fine . . . however I don't think it was. I'll move on. I know this is a message board, I also know that I don't proofread my posts generally, so when individuals try to distract the main point of a post with a grammatical error . . . I guess I see it as just distracting from the topic at hand. None of these posts are being graded.
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Fraud gave us a President in 1960 who got the votes of every dead Democrat in Cook County Illinois. It changed the course of history too.
2020 was investigated over and over by Republican officials all over the country and they refused to go along with Trumps tantrums, which is why Kemp and Raffensberger in Georgia are on DJT’s enemies list. So is Gov. Ducey in AZ.
It’s time for Trump to get off the stage.

I do appreciate your remarks and the tone of your post.
 
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Banditking said:
I think the solution is one day in person voting with id unless you have a documented reason for absentee (eg you’re on ssi and not allowed to drive or you’re military and deployed). That’s it.
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Says someone who has no idea what can happen before or on election day.
 
gonegolfing said:
He's spot on regarding looking like a 3rd world country. I haven't seen anything that depicts additional ballot harvesting like we usually see in places like Philadelphia and Vegas so far so that's good. If our country doesn't get out of this idiotic vote for 30 days and count for 30 more, our representative republic is dead. I would hope everyone on this board is ready to vote for candidates that can introduce some sanity back into our voting process.
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Republicans set things up this way, then they scream fraud about it. It's the completely full of shit party.
 
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goldmom said:
Fraud gave us a President in 1960 who got the votes of every dead Democrat in Cook County Illinois. It changed the course of history too.
2020 was investigated over and over by Republican officials all over the country and they refused to go along with Trumps tantrums, which is why Kemp and Raffensberger in Georgia are on DJT’s enemies list. So is Gov. Ducey in AZ.
It’s time for Trump to get off the stage.

I do appreciate your remarks and the tone of your post.
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LOL. Kennedy didn't need Illinois to win in 1960, that legend started when people thought the popular vote was how a President was elected. Probably mostly bullshit anyway.
 
seminole97 said:
Brazil’s national elections are comparable in size to the U.S.’s. Although Brazil’s population is slightly less than the that of the U.S. — which is the world’s third-most populous country at roughly 325 million, while Brazil is in fifth place with roughly 210 million — Brazil has mandatory voting, a lower voting age (16), and automatic voter registration for citizens, which means vote totals are comparable. In Brazil’s October 28 run-off presidential election, roughly 110 million votes were cast, in the same range of last night’s U.S. vote total.

Yet Brazil’s elections are plagued by virtually none of the problems that mar the credibility of U.S. elections year after year. On October 7, Brazil held the first round of its presidential elections, which, like in the U.S. midterms, also included electing an entirely new lower house of federal Congress and a portion of the federal Senate, as well as governorships and state house races in all 26 Brazilian states and the federal district.

Like all Brazilian elections, the October 7 national vote was held on Sunday, the day the fewest number of people have to work, ensuring maximum voter participation. Polling closed at 5 p.m. All of the votes were fully counted, and all the results fully known, by 8:30 p.m. that night. There were no lingering unknown outcomes, weeks of uncounted votes, widespread claims of voter disenfranchisement, multi-hour lines that spread around blocks, or obstacles to registering.

The October 28 run-off, which elected Jair Bolsonaro as president and also decided the run-off races for governor in multiple states, was even smoother. Votes are electronically counted all day, but the totals are not released until the last poll closes. By the time the last state closed its polls, at 6 p.m., more than 90 percent of the votes were already counted, and the totals were instantly released. Thus, the outcomes of the presidential race and most of the gubernatorial races were known within minutes after the polls closed, and they were all fully determined within two hours of the polls closing.
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You do see the problems with your argument this article presents right?
 
Republicans always want to play the victim.

And Mericans don't like it as evidenced by them losing the popular vote. The only way they win elections is to gerrymander the shit out of districts.

The electoral college also needs revision. You can't give States like Wyoming, Montana, and the Dakotas the same influence as States like California, New York, and Illinois.
It's "minority rule" at it's worst.
 
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MitchLL said:
Republicans always want to play the victim.

The only way they win elections is to gerrymander the shit out of districts.

You can't give States like Wyoming, Montana, and the Dakotas the same influence as States like California, New York, and Illinois.
It's "minority rule" at it's worst.
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I like how you said Republicans always want to play victim, then immediately played victim for the rest of the post. You big Republican you.
 
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MitchLL said:
Republicans always want to play the victim.

And Mericans don't like it as evidenced by them losing the popular vote. The only way they win elections is to gerrymander the shit out of districts.

The electoral college also needs revision. You can't give States like Wyoming, Montana, and the Dakotas the same influence as States like California, New York, and Illinois.
It's "minority rule" at it's worst.
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Idiots gonna idiot.
 
gonegolfing said:
He's spot on regarding looking like a 3rd world country. I haven't seen anything that depicts additional ballot harvesting like we usually see in places like Philadelphia and Vegas so far so that's good. If our country doesn't get out of this idiotic vote for 30 days and count for 30 more, our representative republic is dead. I would hope everyone on this board is ready to vote for candidates that can introduce some sanity back into our voting process.
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So in other words make it as hard for people to vote as possible.

I know Republicans have not had Americans agree with them in a majority since 1988...so maybe yeah that is your goal: if they won't vote for us, don't let them vote. Brilliant!
 
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