Marcus Coleman to ISU
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Just coming to share, here is a better link to use since I had to delete my original tweet which used a dud link
https://iawrestle.com/2016/07/11/cyclones-add-ames-prep-marcus-coleman/
https://iawrestle.com/2016/07/11/cyclones-add-ames-prep-marcus-coleman/
Kind of a no brainier. Good get for them. ISU tends to do alright with guys around the Paulson's size.
Except for Weatherman and Moreno's senior year dump.
I'm sorry that was low blow, but I like swinging at low hanging fruit.
ISU is on the upward trend and should have a very solid lineup for a couple years straight. I think it's good for D1 wrestling when the Clones are competitive. They should not have a problem being a top 10 team with the last couple recruit classes they've brought in.
I also wish they were competitive. But there's no tangible evidence they are on the upswing.
Not sure the #8 class last year means "no problem being a top 10 team."
I'd love KJ to get them 6-10. Just good enough to be competitive but just bad enough to be no real threat to Iowa.
I'm whatever you call the opposite of a clone fan, but they've snagged some really good recruits in the last two classes. Sammy Colbray, Danny Vega, Austin Gomez, Kanen Storr, Gannon Gremmel, Ryan Leisure and now Marcus Coleman. Add that to Colton Diblasi and Markus Simmons and whatever other recruits they pull in and that is pretty decent nucleus of guys that can wrestle together for a couple years. Not going to challenge Iowa anytime soon, but recruiting wise they are doing pretty well. As previously stated, the key will be whether KJ develops the talent he has.
InterMat released its team recruiting rankings Wednesday and Iowa State finished third, behind North Carolina State and Penn State and one notch ahead of Iowa. Flowrestling’s recruiting rankings, which came out last week, tabbed the Hawkeyes third and the Cyclones seventh. This from Andy Hamilton's article in May 2016.
InterMat released its team recruiting rankings Wednesday and Iowa State finished third, behind North Carolina State and Penn State and one notch ahead of Iowa. Flowrestling’s recruiting rankings, which came out last week, tabbed the Hawkeyes third and the Cyclones seventh. This from Andy Hamilton's article in May 2016.
Im simply stating that they seem to be recruiting positively. Coaching and developing is a whole different thread.
Don't forget this guy as well: http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestlin...arker-named-USA-Wrestling-Athlete-of-the-Week
It didn't take a wrestling expert to think that would be the case with Joe. I think most people thought that before he ever went to college.
Isn't upward trend synonymous with positive? I think how they are recruiting right now and landing the recruits they are getting can only help, not hurt their program. I think its a good thing for them to be a good team. When they were competitive with Iowa, those were some of the best duals I've ever seen. I'd like to see the clones get back to that. While it pretty clear that KJ's strength does not lie in development of talent, I think the Paulson's and Escobedo are great for their program and will help them have much improved results in the area of development.
Losing the R-12 isn't exactly a dump unless you are a returning finalist, but I do enjoy the intent behind the post!
As far as ISU goes(and I know I am consistently bumping against strong opposition here) I think they could have a very solid team this upcoming season.
125: Larson is an NCAA qualifier that has the potential to win a couple matches. Vega could push, although I hope he redshirts to grow.
133: Hall has reached the podium 2x and should make it 3.
141: Meeks and Rodriguez have talent and hopefully one steps up. They could seriously be pushed by incoming freshmen: Storr and Parker.
149: Moreno's health is key. He is good enough to reach the podium at close to 100%. Can he get that healthy?
157: Breitenbach and Rodgriguez-Spencer are young and talented. Can the Paulson's develop them more?
165: Diblasi was a high end recruit and had a solid redshirt campaign going 16-5. Won't match Weatherman out of the gate but could be good.
174: Weatherspoon reached the podium and improved considerably as the season went on. I expect a repeat.
From here down could really make or break their team success?
184: Is Downey back down here?
197: Is Harrington back down here? Do they pull Colbray from redshirt?
285: Is Smith going to get motivated for his senior year? Is Harrington going to commit to this weight if Downey is at 197? How about Gremmel?
It may not be an All-Star team, but they could be a Top 10 dual team and even crack the Top 10 at Nationals. They don't really match up well with Iowa(but only PSU, tOSU and OkState do) but would be a tough out for nearly all other teams.
As far as ISU goes(and I know I am consistently bumping against strong opposition here) I think they could have a very solid team this upcoming season.
125: Larson is an NCAA qualifier that has the potential to win a couple matches. Vega could push, although I hope he redshirts to grow.
133: Hall has reached the podium 2x and should make it 3.
141: Meeks and Rodriguez have talent and hopefully one steps up. They could seriously be pushed by incoming freshmen: Storr and Parker.
149: Moreno's health is key. He is good enough to reach the podium at close to 100%. Can he get that healthy?
157: Breitenbach and Rodgriguez-Spencer are young and talented. Can the Paulson's develop them more?
165: Diblasi was a high end recruit and had a solid redshirt campaign going 16-5. Won't match Weatherman out of the gate but could be good.
174: Weatherspoon reached the podium and improved considerably as the season went on. I expect a repeat.
From here down could really make or break their team success?
184: Is Downey back down here?
197: Is Harrington back down here? Do they pull Colbray from redshirt?
285: Is Smith going to get motivated for his senior year? Is Harrington going to commit to this weight if Downey is at 197? How about Gremmel?
It may not be an All-Star team, but they could be a Top 10 dual team and even crack the Top 10 at Nationals. They don't really match up well with Iowa(but only PSU, tOSU and OkState do) but would be a tough out for nearly all other teams.
I don't see any way in hell that this team cracks the top 10 at nationals. Looks like 3 borderline AAs and a bunch of other guys that will struggle. This is coming from someone that doesn't even hate ISU and does think they will be more competitive in upcoming years. That team is weak
I don't see Hall and Downey as borderline AA's. Weatherspoon, maybe, but I think he made the turn at the end of last season and will be a 4-8 candidate at 174. Also, all it takes to crack the top 10 is 3 AA's. Cornell, Nebraska, MI and Illinois rounded out the Top 10 and they all had 3 AA's. A healthy Moreno could score points, Larson should score a couple, Harrington/Colbray could make some noise at 197 if Downey is back down at 184.
Again, I didn't say they are going to set the world on fire. It's just that there is a big difference between the Top 4(Iowa, tOSU, PSU and OkState) and the rest. You perennial Iowa fans are so spoiled by that, that you see teams at ISU's current caliber as weak when they are actually better than 80+% of DI teams!
Again, I didn't say they are going to set the world on fire. It's just that there is a big difference between the Top 4(Iowa, tOSU, PSU and OkState) and the rest. You perennial Iowa fans are so spoiled by that, that you see teams at ISU's current caliber as weak when they are actually better than 80+% of DI teams!
Also, they could win 5 of 10 matches against Iowa(depending on if Marinelli redshirts) without a legit upset. Admittedly, they would get slaughtered at the other 5. Meeks/Rodriguez could win at 141, Diblasi could win at 165, Weatherspoon could win at 174, Downey could win at 184 and Harrington could win at 197. How many other teams could actually say that?
Not sure why that was necessary, but if it makes you feel better I am happy to help.
I will say that their future is nowhere near as bleak as it was. They still have a ridiculous uphill battle to fight, but they at least know they need to fight it(Minkel was clueless) and which direction to move towards. I don't know that they will get too far with the current support available from the Athletic Department, but they have wiped the slate as clean as possible and have implemented a new plan and have already started to build a substantially better rapport with potential recruits in the short time that Minkel has been gone.
I don't expect them to be challenging for B1G Championships, but I wouldn't be surprised if they can get out of the bottom 4 soon. It must be nice to kick people when they are down. May I ask if you even actually attended Iowa?
MSU - your hopes are far too high. Hall has been in the 7th/8th match twice. I think that is his ceiling and I'd call that borderline AA. Especially with some of the newcomers at 133. Weatherspoon had a miracle NCAA tournament that came out of nowhere. My guess is he doesn't AA again this year. That prediction is based on his career, not just 1 tournament. Downey is talented enough to be a sure fire AA, but has tons of off the mat baggage to deal with. So I wouldn't even consider him a lock.
I'll be generous and give them 2 AAs next year. Neither higher than 5th. They will get destroyed by Iowa and will not win more than 2 matches by regular decisions. Look for the score to be 36-6. ISU in the last several years never wins the matches that one would think they might have a shot in against Iowa. Their team is not ready to match Iowa's intensity or conditioning in any way in these duals.
I'll be generous and give them 2 AAs next year. Neither higher than 5th. They will get destroyed by Iowa and will not win more than 2 matches by regular decisions. Look for the score to be 36-6. ISU in the last several years never wins the matches that one would think they might have a shot in against Iowa. Their team is not ready to match Iowa's intensity or conditioning in any way in these duals.
crablegs1,
I agree with much of what you said. I wasn't saying they would win 5 matches, I said they could. I always bet on Iowa to win swing matches in duals. As far as Hall goes, I bet on 2x AA's to AA again as long as they are healthy. Most of the time they do. I guess I am simply more optimistic when I look at them then most here are. No sweat, I understand the viewpoint!
I agree with much of what you said. I wasn't saying they would win 5 matches, I said they could. I always bet on Iowa to win swing matches in duals. As far as Hall goes, I bet on 2x AA's to AA again as long as they are healthy. Most of the time they do. I guess I am simply more optimistic when I look at them then most here are. No sweat, I understand the viewpoint!
Anthony Boldasaro, Nick Moore, Nate Moore, Josh Dziewa (yeah I said it, Super 32 champ #1 135 lber in the country senior year and 0 AAs=bust!
I thought you were talking about actual results, not recruiting rankings.
I also would like ISU to be better. But it's a broken record with KJ. You could literally have made the same argument for about 5 years now. Yet they are stagnant on the bottom half of mediocrity. I'm not seeing much of anything to believe things are suddenly going to change. Lack of development and head scratching personnel decisions abound.
Coleman will have a serious uphill battle to ever reach the mat at ISU. However if he does, the sky is the limit.
Have heard he has his work cut out for him to reach DI academic eligibility. In addition, my close friend who works in the Story County Sheriffs office says that he has had at least one major run-in with the law.
Have heard he has his work cut out for him to reach DI academic eligibility. In addition, my close friend who works in the Story County Sheriffs office says that he has had at least one major run-in with the law.
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Here's the difference if you want to compare the busts, then tell me the Jackson success stories. Because I'm not recalling very many in his six years after the Cael recruits. Gadsen... then ???
He's had a key roll in grand views success.
I'm not sure what this means but I don't frequent this board as often as I used to
He will develop. And it's going to come from his arm length and quad strength. He going to blow people up. Book it. He truly is just getting started.
He's too Easy Ed for my taste, I'd like to see him get on the attack, but it's not his style. He's going to do well. His counters are as sick as his slippery attacks. I'm happy he stayed home.
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Damn wall...
They are still blaming Cael for ruining there program. I'm sure many think David Taylor would have had the same success under Jackson had he stuck with ISU.
