Technically speaking, Eierman & Thorn weren't guaranteed AAs yet when they defeated McKenna. I get your point that McKenna is a tough out. :>)
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Technically speaking, Eierman & Thorn weren't guaranteed AAs yet when they defeated McKenna. I get your point that McKenna is a tough out. :>)
I will also take Lugo maybe not his whole body of work but his upside is higher IMO He has the ability with HWC training to a top 2x 1-3 guy
That was the original post I was responding to. I just said I wouldn't take Lugo over McKenna and presented some of McKenna's wins. I didn't even mention his AA finish already either.
I like Lugo and I agree with your argument the Iowa and HWC is going take him to another level, but couldn't the same argument get made for McKenna and wouldn't it not be even stronger. McKenna is going from Stanford, where he was their best *Freshmen* wrestler ever already and had no one to push him what so ever, to Ohio State and the Ohio RTC. I just can't help but think that training at Ohio State and the Ohio RTC with Logan, Jordan, Hayes, Pletcher, among others, is going to be a huge difference compared to what he is coming from. For comparison, at least Lugo was at a place that has produced All Americans before and had workout partners that could push him.
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I just posted McKenna was planning on wrestling off at 141 with Hayes, with the loser moving up to 149.
That is what I read on twitter from the Ohio State insiders. I don't know if that is true, but I haven't read anything that said McKenna was going 149 except your post.
i don't think anyone is saying anything bad about either of these 2. mckenna was definately the bigger name out of high school, but lugo seems to have closed the gap. i think both schools are happy with their pick ups.
Yeah JM will be pushed more at the RTC but I simply think his style has limits and is close to his peak Lugo is not near his peak and will find his third and forth gear HWC and Co. will push him to the limits IMO
What a recruiting tool he is though. Kids want to be around world and olympic champs and when they are about your age and you can totally relate to them, that is a big plus. Even though Dennis was older than the guys on the team, I remember Brands saying how much the kids loved being around him. He could relate to them. The same is probably true with Snyder.
I hope Gilman is the next world champ that kids are looking up to
Why when there's a former finalist and 3x AA entering his senior year at the same weight
I think Kyle would disagree with you. Tervel Dlagnev has had a tremendous role in Snyder's success on the world level. From interviews with both Kyle and Tervel, it sounds like Tervel really changed the way Kyle approaches each match from a mental aspect. Tervel said, when Kyle arrived in Columbus - he was so focused on "winning the match", that he was missing out on growing as a wrestler. Tervel got him to focus on "winning the position", and not worrying about "winning the match". Once Kyle got over that mental hurdle, he jumped levels.
I could have butchered the explanation of the above, but thats the jist of it, straight from both of their mouths.
You must've never heard of Matt Gentry...
Who? Bigger names on Stanford's roster. About the only edge you could give Lugo is having Port to roll with. I don't know if Jamil still gets down with the guys. Neither AA'd last year and both will benefit from their rooms. Sorensen, Kemerer, Clark, Turk, Dennis, McD.
Just based on "pedigree", I would say Lugo has more room to improve. I think we see him thrive in our room. McKenna has had access to much better coaches and training partners.
McKenna
Went to Blair Academy, has been personally coached by Jeff Buxton for years, had a greyshirt year to train, spent a lot of time at the OTC, has trained at Lehigh, tOSU and Iowa, think he turned 22 this year
Lugo
Florida kid that went to Edinboro, just turned 20.
McKenna
Went to Blair Academy, has been personally coached by Jeff Buxton for years, had a greyshirt year to train, spent a lot of time at the OTC, has trained at Lehigh, tOSU and Iowa, think he turned 22 this year
Lugo
Florida kid that went to Edinboro, just turned 20.
I say f&*^ PSU, OSU, Michigan ... they already have take ownership of football ... Let us have wrestling!
I meant to say as a Freshmen. Stanford has had 20 All Americans in total and several multiple times over. I admit that sounded too strong. However, I stand behind the idea. Stanford has never finished in the the top 10 in program history and has only been in the top 20, five times total.
Where as Tim Flynn has built 'Boro into a very strong program and has Mitchell Port who was the last persont to beat Retherford active on the coaching staff, who is the same size, as a training partner everyday for Lugo. The comparison of Stanford and Edinboro for wrestling is in my opinion not very close in any way.
Where as Tim Flynn has built 'Boro into a very strong program and has Mitchell Port who was the last persont to beat Retherford active on the coaching staff, who is the same size, as a training partner everyday for Lugo. The comparison of Stanford and Edinboro for wrestling is in my opinion not very close in any way.
That is literally what I said.
I said I agreed with the statement about Lugo. I just said the same could be sade for McKenna and in fact I believe the change in environment could perhaps be even more pronounced for McKenna going from Stanford to tOSU compared to going from Edinboro to Iowa.
Well, he will be wrestling for tOSU -- probably some opportunities for breaks.
The bet should be by the end of ncaa career who has placed higher at the nationals at the end of the day its really what counts right. I will take Lugo for 1 Bean that was for you Pins
I just discovered this podcast. They discuss the Lugo situation at 'Boro compared to the McKenna situation at Stanford starting right about 34:00. The first 34 minutes is discussing freestyle worlds.
For those not familiar with "The Inside Trip" podcast.... they are Ohio guys, so there is a bias. They are pretty good to recognize when they are being homers tho, and are quite fair. I like the podcast a lot. They actually talk about the wrestling... not banter on, ad nausea, like other podcasts on getting traffic tickets or what shirt the other guy is wearing.
I'm very familiar with both cities. Columbus is a dump in the middle of a much bigger dump. I'd rather live almost anywhere else in the country (just not elsewhere in Ohio or anywhere in New Jersey, of course).
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