Mega staller
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Ben Askren @Benaskren 20h20 hours ago
Mega is the most aggressive staller ever. Always working hard but never doing too much against top guys
Mega is the most aggressive staller ever. Always working hard but never doing too much against top guys
I'm with you. While it was tough to watch the 125 and 149 finals, it was also very painful watching McIntosh conduct stalling operations in the 197 finals. If we look back in time, it's probably the only way Tsirtsis won his NCAA championship two year ago...all defense, 0 offense, and wait for the opponent make that one mistake.
Actually I like going to both boards...gives one an opportunity to hear it from both sides. Too many biased discussion (and there are clearly more quality discussions than ultra-biased ones on this board) can be a bad thing. Remember, friends close, enemies closer...
Not all of us. PSU won this year, and PSU deserved to win this year. While I always want the Hawks to win, I also enjoy watching good quality wrestling...so no, not eating us all up inside.
Since you like to bring up what Askren says you should enjoy this:
http://www.flowrestling.org/video/762083-askren-blasts-iowa-style
You know who is a staller? Oklahoma State was really bad, so bad that Kurdelmeir put out a mat almost the size of a basketball court, you know back in the 70's Iowa State had some stallers as well......wait a minute I checked the title of the thread and it was about Mega. All of the deflections and attempts to rapid fire posts about things that don't apply to Mega. Keep trying to push the reality away. If Askren said it then it must be gospel since you all loved him when he went after the 'Iowa style' I will tell you the same thing that I told your team as they left today, congratulations on the title and good luck at nationals. Doesn't change that Megastaller is an accurate term.
It's pretty bad when you can put your finger on "the shot" that he took. One shot attempt in the final two matches is pretty laughable.
McIntosh is the Big Ten champ today because he wrestled smart. He was the only one of the two trying to score points in the first two periods. Because he was able to while the opponent did practically nothing, it granted him the freedom to dodge and retreat from attacks the last minute of the match. If you want the hate, hate on the referee for not calling the stall. You can't blame McIntosh wrestling smart.
I'm willing to bet he was shocked himself the ref didn't hit him with a warning. A smart wrestler avoids putting himself in position to be scored on with the lead until the ref presses him. I guess he could have done some things ill advised at the end like maybe a Gilman did against Mega in their bout but he didn't and he's the champ today because of it.
As for the Retherford match, I agree it wasn't much fun to watch. When you have a very good defensive wrestler like Sorenson, it takes an offensive wrestler off his game a bit. Retherford looked to score more but never saw an opening. To make matters worse, the defensive wrestler then did absolutely nothing to score points himself. So now you have two wrestlers not showing much offense.
Top guys can make any other wrestler look bad or stalling. Yes, Mega all he does is pull head down and relies on trying to get his opponent going one way and then he tries to go around have watched him now wrestle Iowa for four years and have not seen him make a single, double leg or high crotch td against the HAWKS.
Heck Mcdonugh beat him with the injured shouer that needed surgey.
Talk about stalling how about that Guillbon at 141 wrestled also like mega in quarters and semis 8 mins in both matches for total of 16 mins no TDs and wins on ride outs.
I really love to watch most of the studs Penn State wrestle like Zain, Nolf , Nical,do
however:; what upsets me is when you Penn fans come over here and say boy we know how to score score and score. Get used to being hated lol Hawks have been hater for over 25 years and are still hated.
Heck Mcdonugh beat him with the injured shouer that needed surgey.
Talk about stalling how about that Guillbon at 141 wrestled also like mega in quarters and semis 8 mins in both matches for total of 16 mins no TDs and wins on ride outs.
I really love to watch most of the studs Penn State wrestle like Zain, Nolf , Nical,do
however:; what upsets me is when you Penn fans come over here and say boy we know how to score score and score. Get used to being hated lol Hawks have been hater for over 25 years and are still hated.
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I don't disagree with a thing you say. I was just highlighting another of the painful matches that weren't much fun to watch. And as I've said in other posts, I'm not a PSU-hater; I'm a guy who enjoys college wrestling. I actually enjoy watching your aggressive guys wrestle, just like I do ours. Similarly I don't enjoy watching our low scoring / non-offensive Hawk wrestlers anymore than I like watching yours....
I think we need to stop blaming the wrestlers and target the officials.
Such a shame also that Nolf had to lose I really thought he of any of these studs had a chance to be a undefeated four year national champ. Such a shame also Retherford and Nickal have losses. Guess it will have to be Hall.
This will be my last post to most of you Penn fans. Funny at the hotel I was at was 2 bus loads of Penn State fans and I had a great time talking with them.. Lots of them where almost as old as me and I now wonder if most of you interent net posters are high school or college boys.
This will be my last post to most of you Penn fans. Funny at the hotel I was at was 2 bus loads of Penn State fans and I had a great time talking with them.. Lots of them where almost as old as me and I now wonder if most of you interent net posters are high school or college boys.
Agreed... I've been a PSU fan since the 50's, and I love your board but am totally embarrassed by posters like Lion8286. Show a little respect...
As for Mega, I don't particularly like watching his matches against the top guys. He's not flat out backing away and blatantly stalling. No but in my opinion he's using quick feet and movement to give off the appearance that he's busy and looking for an opening to score. It is my opinion that he's not really looking to ever get deep on a guys legs but just waiting for the other guy to make a move and counter it. I'm not saying always but against the top five guys that's his game.
Looking busy like he does, that's a difficult thing for a ref to call. How does one call it when the guy really does look like there's effort there to look for an opening. The ref would have to make a judgement call and go by opinion. How many are willing to do that? I guess not many because Mega continues to wrestle that way without getting dinged. You can't blame him if that's what makes him more comfortable and feels he has a better chance to win. If the refs allow it then he's going to continue doing it... like any smart wrestler would do
Looking busy like he does, that's a difficult thing for a ref to call. How does one call it when the guy really does look like there's effort there to look for an opening. The ref would have to make a judgement call and go by opinion. How many are willing to do that? I guess not many because Mega continues to wrestle that way without getting dinged. You can't blame him if that's what makes him more comfortable and feels he has a better chance to win. If the refs allow it then he's going to continue doing it... like any smart wrestler would do
Somehow my total number of posts doesn't show, but it's probably been only 20-30 in the last twelve years. There are a lot of really knowledgeable posters on here, and I usually prefer to keep my mouth shut and my eyes and ears open. All I was asking was that my fellow Penn Staters show a little respect... especially when you're a visitor.
You've worn out your welcome. Like 5 years ago. Obviously you have not watched much wrestling outside of Penn State. And why should you, what with every other team and coaching staff being chock full of wrestling novices.
Of course McIntosh was the only wrestler in the 197 pound finals to actually take a shot underneath his opponent's hands and grab a leg. There are 7 minutes available for scoring. The Iowa kid most definetly presented himself during the entire match, but at no time did he step out of his comfort zone and actually attempt an offensive shot. During the last minute McIntosh was most definetly present but not shooting. He was not the one who needed to score. Despite losing by a point, Burak still never took a shot. But what the hey, don't let facts get in the way of a good story.
Ben is right on here.. He doesn't do much at all against top guys, but stays so active that he avoids stall calls. Against non elite guys he has no problem, which is part of why its so annoying to watch, I think (because he CAN go get takedowns, just chooses not to).
At one time I had the misconception that a PSU fan needed to watch everything they say here and never disagree or all hell would reign down on him. That's not really the case here and why I like this board so much. If you give your opinion, do it tactfully and with some respect to the other, it draws great discussion and you learn where others are coming from. You might even learn a little something from them but you always at least get a feel for why they feel that way and what's making their brain tick in a certain direction. Some PSU fans (certainly not naming names) just come here to troll and get under their skin and nothing else. And then you have some (again..leaving names out of it) that will question your loyalty to PSU because you can get along and even agree with a Hawkeyes fan. That's just idiotic in my opinion. We are a small group, wrestling fans need to stay civil and respect each other and the guys and schools they root for. If not then we are just another sport...
But the top guys don't do anything against him either. Gilman took one committed shot (the one after Megaludis escaped in the third period). Megaludis took one committed shot (near the end of first OT period, right after the ref warned him for stalling. He got in on Gilman's leg. Gilman sprawled and got himself free). They each made a few half-a$$ed attempts at picking an ankle or snatching a single. And then Gilman attempted his This-Would-Work-Against-Montana-State-Northern-So-Let-Me-Try-It-Here roll and the match was over.
For what it's worth, this is what Megaludis said after the match:
"He hung on a lot and really tried to slow things down. He was holding in tight on the tie-ups so it was harder to shoot."
Stalling was endemic in these finals. Bo Nickal broke a really bad streak of wrestling in his match. He may have had more takedowns than the other 19 wrestlers in the finals combined. If I counted correctly, there were a *total* of 4 takedowns in the first six matches. So singling out one or two wrestlers for stalling is, as the line in Apocalypse Now, like handing out speeding tickets at the Indianapolis 500.
Oh... Make no mistake, I'm not disagreeing with anything you are saying here. The thread is focused on Mega so I'm giving my opinion on what I think his mindset is during these matches.
It's really hard to single out Nico for stalling here. I know there is the McDonough bias' - which was warranted as Nico really had to wrestle that way to hang with McDonough as a freshman - but all of the top 125s seem to have matchup issues which really slow down their matches against each other. You can look at Megaludis vs. Dance and just as easily conclude Dance is a staller, Tomasello and Megaludis are extremely hard to take down and I think all 4 of them realize this and wrestle accordingly.
I get where the bias comes in. As a PSU fan, I guess I could argue that Martinez is a staller, as he did not do much at all for the first 6 minutes of the match. But really it's Nolf's job to take Martinez out of his game plan which he executed well. And Martinez wasn't stalling. He was active and came ready to wrestle even if it did not result in a lot of offensive attempts.
I get where the bias comes in. As a PSU fan, I guess I could argue that Martinez is a staller, as he did not do much at all for the first 6 minutes of the match. But really it's Nolf's job to take Martinez out of his game plan which he executed well. And Martinez wasn't stalling. He was active and came ready to wrestle even if it did not result in a lot of offensive attempts.
Wow, all the troll douchers out today. We have had some real tools trolling from PSU, but very few with as little actual wrestling knowledge as Lion8286 and Nation6. You two take ignorance to a whole new level. You might want to actually learn more about wrestling before any further posting. You seem to jamming a few words together about wrestling and stalling and you think they seem like smart posts, but to all the knowledgeable people on the HR and BWI boards, it sounds like a pre-K child explaining how much he likes pascetti (spaghetti).
On, let me start by saying psu has Nickal who is probably better than Ruth or Taylor as a RSFrosh. Then have Retherford who looks like he is pretty much unbeatable right now. McIntosh is pretty solid also but probably could have scored more points but chose not to and I can't blaim him. Then there is Nolf who I thought might have been the best wrestler in the country. Not so much now but he's just a RS Frosh in a lot tougher weight than Nickal. Then there's Megastaller. If he couldn't do the splits to get out of trouble he would lose a lot more matches. He is the most active staller I have ever seen.
Guilibon did what he had to do(which was not much) to win but that's about his only chance to do anything in 2 weeks.
Guilibon did what he had to do(which was not much) to win but that's about his only chance to do anything in 2 weeks.
Now for our guys:
Gilman: he is a animal and by far my favorite Hawk. He may have only taken 1 really good shot but he was controlling the ties trying to create angles but it's easier said then done when wrestling someone who just wants to block off.
Clark: he does have a tendency to slow down some but he pretty active for the most part and can ride like a animal.
Sorensen: probably more on the defensive side but he was moving forward and trying to get through Retherford's head and hands. Which is VERY difficult. Brandon scores VERY well off of a tie but in order to beat a guy like Retherford he has to find a way to score in space.
Cooper: is similar to Guilibon difference is 1 year of D1 college wrestling vs. 3 for Guilibon. Cooper has progressed very nicely but needs to open up more in 2 weeks.
Meyer: kid drives me nuts like he has cement in his shoes for the 1st period then opens up after being behind by 4 or so points. Wrestle for 7 mins and he would be a lot better
Brooks: about 70% strength 30% technique! But he he does not stop. 2nd favorite Hawkeye.
Burak: MUCH better than in the past but still needs to get to his stuff sooner and he will be the 1st to tell you that.
Stoll: was progressing VERY nicely until the injury. Not many heavy's are all that active so I rarely expect much for action out of them.
Gilman: he is a animal and by far my favorite Hawk. He may have only taken 1 really good shot but he was controlling the ties trying to create angles but it's easier said then done when wrestling someone who just wants to block off.
Clark: he does have a tendency to slow down some but he pretty active for the most part and can ride like a animal.
Sorensen: probably more on the defensive side but he was moving forward and trying to get through Retherford's head and hands. Which is VERY difficult. Brandon scores VERY well off of a tie but in order to beat a guy like Retherford he has to find a way to score in space.
Cooper: is similar to Guilibon difference is 1 year of D1 college wrestling vs. 3 for Guilibon. Cooper has progressed very nicely but needs to open up more in 2 weeks.
Meyer: kid drives me nuts like he has cement in his shoes for the 1st period then opens up after being behind by 4 or so points. Wrestle for 7 mins and he would be a lot better
Brooks: about 70% strength 30% technique! But he he does not stop. 2nd favorite Hawkeye.
Burak: MUCH better than in the past but still needs to get to his stuff sooner and he will be the 1st to tell you that.
Stoll: was progressing VERY nicely until the injury. Not many heavy's are all that active so I rarely expect much for action out of them.
How bout I'm not on a Penn State board running my mouth? These idiots should go thump their chests with their own pedophile friends.
Always available with the high intellect responses. Honest man just working hard to keep it simple for you.
Another from the high intellect group. Originality and brilliance at such an unparalleled level.
Get up man and give it a better shot. You are stalling.
McIntosh was in on Burak's legs or ankles five times during that match. One time he scored. One time, Burak defended against the move. Three times, Burak just held onto McIntosh's ankles until the ref called a stalemate.
Burak was in on McIntosh's legs zero times.
With about 40 seconds left in the match, Burak became committed to action & took six waves at McIntosh's legs. McIntosh fended them off easily without backing out of bounds. For the most part, in fact, he didn't even leave the center circle. McIntosh took about three equally noncommittal waves at Burak's legs during those last 40 seconds.
What should McIntosh have done in those last 40 seconds to reduce the pain for you?
And what would you have coached your athlete to do in that situation? For 6 1/2 minutes, Burak had shown zero ability to get past McIntosh's head and hands to his legs. McIntosh didn't need any more points to win. He stood in there and defended against a bunch of desperate but not very serious takedown attempts by Burak. That's not stalling. That's smart wrestling.
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