Mega staller

[hawkeyecrazy]

A Ref still needs to do his job. The wrestler has the responsibility to control the out come of the match and not leave it in the hands of the ref. The coach surely has pointed this out. In most cases the aggressor taking shots won. If you choose to not get to your offense until the last minute of the third period you do so at your own peril. You get what you earn! (Terry said that) but he did so after Penn State invented wrestling so it should appease both fan bases

 

[Agoodnap]

Imagine that, a PSU fanboy only seeing what they want to see. Even when it was right there all along. Didn't you guys just have a problem with not addressing issues within your own PSU community because you failed to see the obvious problem.
In the first post, if you can read, you can see more obvious stuff. When Megastaller finally took his 1st shot he lost. He is pathetic to watch. Just like that Delgado Illinois kid. Bad for the sport. Megastalller could be the new poster boy for stalling issues. Call stalling and Megastaller doesn't make the finals here or in New York.

You are now on ignore.

 

[anyonebutclinton]

He edited it from reading 8 minutes to 7 minutes as I was typing. Check the timestamps.

I edited a spelling error. Your reading comprehension is not so easily fixed. You are a liar if you say otherwise. I really expect nothing more from the PSU, fanboy, bandwagon fan base.

Edit, added a period to complete post. No crying please.

 

[21Guns]

If you want to see stalling, make certain you watch Collica next weekend: He takes it to a whole new level.

 

[anyonebutclinton]

McIntosh was in on Burak's legs or ankles five times during that match. One time he scored. One time, Burak defended against the move. Three times, Burak just held onto McIntosh's ankles until the ref called a stalemate.

Burak was in on McIntosh's legs zero times.

With about 40 seconds left in the match, Burak became committed to action & took six waves at McIntosh's legs. McIntosh fended them off easily without backing out of bounds. For the most part, in fact, he didn't even leave the center circle. McIntosh took about three equally noncommittal waves at Burak's legs during those last 40 seconds.

What should McIntosh have done in those last 40 seconds to reduce the pain for you?

And what would you have coached your athlete to do in that situation? For 6 1/2 minutes, Burak had shown zero ability to get past McIntosh's head and hands to his legs. McIntosh didn't need any more points to win. He stood in there and defended against a bunch of desperate but not very serious takedown attempts by Burak. That's not stalling. That's smart wrestling.

Your take adds zero to the Megastaller thesis, which by all reasonable, knowledgeable accounts is a stall freak when he faces the top tier guys. This has been proven year after year after year. Kid stalls and has no offence, and wrestles to hold on and not get steam rolled. This other BS is just a goose chase. Go read post 1 troll. It is the beginning and the end of what you need to know. Accept it. Quit crying and denying and move on. Hillary may approve your message, but I do not.

 

[anyonebutclinton]

It's really hard to single out Nico for stalling here. I know there is the McDonough bias' - which was warranted as Nico really had to wrestle that way to hang with McDonough as a freshman - but all of the top 125s seem to have matchup issues which really slow down their matches against each other. You can look at Megaludis vs. Dance and just as easily conclude Dance is a staller, Tomasello and Megaludis are extremely hard to take down and I think all 4 of them realize this and wrestle accordingly.

I get where the bias comes in. As a PSU fan, I guess I could argue that Martinez is a staller, as he did not do much at all for the first 6 minutes of the match. But really it's Nolf's job to take Martinez out of his game plan which he executed well. And Martinez wasn't stalling. He was active and came ready to wrestle even if it did not result in a lot of offensive attempts.

Bias. Damn boy, try to keep up. You PSU trolls have that angle covered. Now move along. And yes, watch the tape, ZERO O-O-O-O-O-O-O not even one shot by Megastaller 15 minutes on his feet in his final 2 matches this past weekend.

 

[anyonebutclinton]

You are now on ignore.

Damn. Sensitive. Girl? Probably.
Wait, Stalker? Maybe.
Relationship. Who said we ever had a relationship?
Is it over? Thank you. Good bye.

 

[burnsie1983]

Megaludis is very active against guys not in the top 3. I agree that he barely shot against either Tomasello or Gilman. Although he is very technically sound (he may be the hardest guy to take down in all of D-1, just ask Gilman) I think he is not overly athletic, and it shows against the top guys.

 

[21Guns]

Gilman will see Nico again, in 12 days, in the final, after Gilman beats Nato, and Nico beats Dance.

 

[Omahahawk86]

Nico is just so damn hard to score on. He is just a flat out fighter with insane balance and flexibility. Between his three matches with NATO and dance he's been taken down with a slide by, a counter/scramble, and a go behind. With Gillmans offense I think his best bet is his go behind. When he gets to his short offense he needs to work very hard to score there and not just sit for the stalemate.

Both guys have a lot of work to do before this match can happen though.

 

[rafferty06]

I think we need to stop blaming the wrestlers and target the officials.

Agree...Again, why is there two refs? The second ref just walks around collecting money. He can't make a call, always agrees with the head ref. If there is any questionable call's they go to the instant replay for 20 min. You don't need a second ref. to agree. Have Mike Allen go to the replay table and agree with the first ref. We could save $1000'S of dollars or tons of wasted time...Really really tired of the slow replays!!!

 

[LaxHawk174]

Agree...Again, why is there two refs? The second ref just walks around collecting money. He can't make a call, always agrees with the head ref. If there is any questionable call's they go to the instant replay for 20 min. You don't need a second ref. to agree. Have Mike Allen go to the replay table and agree with the first ref. We could save $1000'S of dollars or tons of wasted time...Really really tired of the slow replays!!!

Instead of having a second ref on the mat, Since he rarely does anything, I'd rather have the 2nd ref be purely for review, with the original ref having nothing to do with the review process.

 

[dicemen99]

Nico is just so damn hard to score on. He is just a flat out fighter with insane balance and flexibility. Between his three matches with NATO and dance he's been taken down with a slide by, a counter/scramble, and a go behind. With Gillmans offense I think his best bet is his go behind. When he gets to his short offense he needs to work very hard to score there and not just sit for the stalemate.

Both guys have a lot of work to do before this match can happen though.

Nico was not taken down by Dance. He has been taken down twice this year - both by NATO. 1st match off a scramble, the B1G championship off a go behind that started with a Nico shot (which should be a surprise to that anybodybutclinton guy - I guess he didn't watch the OT of the Tomasello-Mega match). Nico took Dance down in their match with a low single that he fought through to finish.

 

[dicemen99]

Bias. Damn boy, try to keep up. You PSU trolls have that angle covered. Now move along. And yes, watch the tape, ZERO O-O-O-O-O-O-O not even one shot by Megastaller 15 minutes on his feet in his final 2 matches this past weekend.

Hey, why let facts get in the way of shouting loud???? Did you actually even watch the Tomasello-Megaludis match?

 

[PSU Mike]

I edited a spelling error. Your reading comprehension is not so easily fixed. You are a liar if you say otherwise. I really expect nothing more from the PSU, fanboy, bandwagon fan base.

Edit, added a period to complete post. No crying please.

Sure, that's believable. I didn't say anything controversial. I never do here. You originally said 8 minutes in your post, then you realized it was wrong. It's not a character flaw until you lie about it. And that's your problem, not mine.

 

[Sandor45]

Nato and Gilman can now both out horse Mega and Mega knows it.
Nato is built like a shit brick house and Gilman has gotten much stronger. I can understand not wanting to take many chances against a guy as techincially sound yet stronger than you are hence, Megastaller.

 

[nitlion6]

Hey, why let facts get in the way of shouting loud???? Did you actually even watch the Tomasello-Megaludis match?

Dice,
Man you are attempting to use logic, fact and wrestling understanding 101 to have a conversation with a freaking imbecile. Some tiny little piss head that steps directly into the shyt pile because he has no point is not going to understand a legitimate point.
Give him what he wants. Despite always being right there in front of and engaged with his opponent, moving forward into his opponent, hand fighting with almost unmatched intensity, refusing to surrender an inch or a point and never looking for a lung moment - Nico stalls.
Do you know who would take Nico Megaludis in a heartbeat, no reservations Dan Gable and/or Tom Brands.
You are attempting to converse wrestling with some bone head who reveres his own opinion over Gable's or Brands'.

 

[LaxHawk174]

Dice,
Man you are attempting to use logic, fact and wrestling understanding 101 to have a conversation with a freaking imbecile. Some tiny little piss head that steps directly into the shyt pile because he has no point is not going to understand a legitimate point.
Give him what he wants. Despite always being right there in front of and engaged with his opponent, moving forward into his opponent, hand fighting with almost unmatched intensity, refusing to surrender an inch or a point and never looking for a lung moment - Nico stalls.
Do you know who would take Nico Megaludis in a heartbeat, no reservations Dan Gable and/or Tom Brands.
You are attempting to converse wrestling with some bone head who reveres his own opinion over Gable's or Brands'.

Nico is a great wrestler no doubt, you don't make the finals twice by being a scrub. But I have to say that I think Brands/Gable would prefer Gilman over Megaludis, as would most-if not all Iowa fans. 84% bonus rate speaks for itself.

 

[nitlion6]

Nico is a great wrestler no doubt, you don't make the finals twice by being a scrub. But I have to say that I think Brands/Gable would prefer Gilman over Megaludis, as would most-if not all Iowa fans. 84% bonus rate speaks for itself.

I did not say Nico would be the choice over Gilman.
I said knowing the way Nico wrestles, tough as nails, huge heart and set of lungs, unsurpassed work ethic, always in his opponent's face, unrelenting hand fighting, never giving an inch. Gable and/or Brands would in a heartbeat take Nico as a member of their team.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Wow, all the troll douchers out today. We have had some real tools trolling from PSU, but very few with as little actual wrestling knowledge as Lion8286 and Nation6. You two take ignorance to a whole new level. You might want to actually learn more about wrestling before any further posting. You seem to jamming a few words together about wrestling and stalling and you think they seem like smart posts, but to all the knowledgeable people on the HR and BWI boards, it sounds like a pre-K child explaining how much he likes pascetti (spaghetti).

This is what I love about the ignore feature. I haven't seen one of these trolls that have apparently been infesting the board since Big Tens. I'm telling ya, it makes the board much more palatable when you don't have to wade through all of the fools to find posts worth reading. Highly recommend it.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Somehow my total number of posts doesn't show, but it's probably been only 20-30 in the last twelve years. There are a lot of really knowledgeable posters on here, and I usually prefer to keep my mouth shut and my eyes and ears open. All I was asking was that my fellow Penn Staters show a little respect... especially when you're a visitor.

Sadly, the rational PSU fans like yourself tend to be the ones who keep to themselves. Ideally, the knuckleheads who like to thump their chests would go elsewhere and the breaths of fresh air like yourself would be more active in posting. If that just happened to some degree, this board would be much more enjoyable.

Rivalries are great, but they don't have to be dominated by hatred at all. Healthy competition is what this great sport is all about, and I love the fact that Cael and PSU are pushing the Hawks to improve themselves. Also great to have Okie State and tOSU in the mix. I'd even like to see a stronger ISU and MN, although I throw up a little in my mouth whenever I admit that.

I'd really much rather have respect for our rivals. Sadly, you get a bunch of fools flooding the board from PSU, and it's hard not to let that color your perception of the program. It's always helpful to remember that every program has its knuckleheads. In any case, I'd love to see you posting on here more often, MUTINEER, and bring some of your classy fellow PSU fans with you! I'm sure we Hawk fans could learn a lot from you folks about PSU, the high school scene in the NE, etc. Fresh viewpoints, expressed in a respectful way, are always welcome around here!

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

McIntosh was in on Burak's legs or ankles five times during that match. One time he scored. One time, Burak defended against the move. Three times, Burak just held onto McIntosh's ankles until the ref called a stalemate.

Burak was in on McIntosh's legs zero times.

With about 40 seconds left in the match, Burak became committed to action & took six waves at McIntosh's legs. McIntosh fended them off easily without backing out of bounds. For the most part, in fact, he didn't even leave the center circle. McIntosh took about three equally noncommittal waves at Burak's legs during those last 40 seconds.

What should McIntosh have done in those last 40 seconds to reduce the pain for you?

And what would you have coached your athlete to do in that situation? For 6 1/2 minutes, Burak had shown zero ability to get past McIntosh's head and hands to his legs. McIntosh didn't need any more points to win. He stood in there and defended against a bunch of desperate but not very serious takedown attempts by Burak. That's not stalling. That's smart wrestling.

Brother, I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying...I'm merely agreeing that some of those matches were boring and that was one of them. I would have coached McIntosh to do exactly what he did...at least until I had a stall warning. Burak is 0 for 3 or 4 against McIntosh so I'm not questioning Mc's abilities, I'm just saying it was a boring match to watch.

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

Of course McIntosh was the only wrestler in the 197 pound finals to actually take a shot underneath his opponent's hands and grab a leg. There are 7 minutes available for scoring. The Iowa kid most definetly presented himself during the entire match, but at no time did he step out of his comfort zone and actually attempt an offensive shot. During the last minute McIntosh was most definetly present but not shooting. He was not the one who needed to score. Despite losing by a point, Burak still never took a shot. But what the hey, don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

Hey, I'm not a McIntosh hater...not in the least. And his record speaks for itself. That said, I was only adding to the discussion regarding painful matches to watch...and Mc's was one of them. Please do tell me which of my "facts' weren't facts. I'm not a PSU-hater; I'm a wrestling fan who likes good wrestling...

 

[21Guns]

Again, the next time Gilman and Nico meet, will be the national finals, after Gilman beats Nato and Nico beats Dance. Yes, Gilman is going to beat Nato: He is the only one who Nato can't horse, and he is the only one who knows how to beat him, and they will be seeded so that they meet in the semi's. Yes, Nico will beat Dance: the loss in Blacksburg came on a Nico slip in the third. Nico has had Dance's number otherwise.

I won't predict a winner, but remember I told you so, when Gilman meets Nico in the Garden. Nato is a strong beast, but if he can't horse you, he has trouble, and Gilman is the one who knows how to beat him.

 

[dicemen99]

I agree with 21guns on this. I think the 1. NATO 2. Dance 3. Nico 4. Gilman seeding is most favorable for PSU and Iowa.

 

[nitlion6]

Hey, I'm not a McIntosh hater...not in the least. And his record speaks for itself. That said, I was only adding to the discussion regarding painful matches to watch...and Mc's was one of them. Please do tell me which of my "facts' weren't facts. I'm not a PSU-hater; I'm a wrestling fan who likes good wrestling...

While reading your post you pointed out "watching McIntosh conduct stalling operations in the 197 finals....

.....all defense, 0 offense and wait for the opponent to make a mistake."

So according to your post about McIntosh and the 197 final Mac stalled his rear off, did nothing and took advantage of a mistake by his opponent to win.

Assuming you meant what you wrote, I pointed out it is kinda silly to bitch about the only guy in the 197 pound final who actually initiated any offense as the guy who was stalling.

So, did I miss something?

 

[rafferty06]

Instead of having a second ref on the mat, Since he rarely does anything, I'd rather have the 2nd ref be purely for review, with the original ref having nothing to do with the review process.

About the same as I said about Mike Allen but I do like the idea of him or the second ref. looking at the replay and making a decision. One extra ref. per side in the Nationals or one extra for the B10. And have some guts and make a quick decision. WAY too much time wasted on replay...