Midlands will be a good test

[LaxHawk174]

I don't think anybody can say that the midlands will be a weak tournament this year. Somebody mentioned that Nebraska and Iowa are the only 2 top ten teams attending this season, so I wanted to see all of the ranked guys that would be attending and compiled a list. Actually i just checked, NC State is also ranked 5th.

*** = Also in the P4P rankings on FLO
* = Returning AA in previous Season(s) (Let me know if I missed anybody)

125
#2 Gilman*** Iowa
#6 Peters* UNI
#7 Terao American
#8 Bresser Oregon St.
#12 Lambert Nebraska
#16 Milhof Oklahoma
#17 Rodriguez NDSU
#20 Jeske ODU

133
#1 Brewer*** Oklahoma
#2 Clark*** Iowa
#3 Taylor* Wisconsin
#4 Hall* Iowa St.
#8 Richards Illinois
#9 Montoya Nebraska
#13 Alexander Maryland
#14 McGuire Kent St.
#19 Alber UNI
#20 Giraldo Rutgers

141
#1 Jack* NC State
#2 Mecate* ODU
#4 Ashnault* Rutgers
#8 Abidin Nebraska
#10 Racciato Pitt
#11 Preston Harvard
#13 Bannister Maryland
#15 Blaise N. Illinois
#16 Sabatello Purdue

149
#1 Tsirtsis*** Northwestern
#3 Sorensen* Iowa
#5 Sueflohn Nebraska
#6 Richardson* ODU
#10 DePalma Kent St.
#13 Clagon* Rider
#14 Moreno Iowa State
#15 Kraus ASU
#16 Langenderfer Illinois
#17 Jeffries Oklahoma
#18 Barber Eastern Michigan

157
#1 IMAR*** Illinois
#2 Miller*** Kent St.
#7 Gantt NC State
#9 Pack SDSU
#10 Welch Purdue
#13 Berger Nebraska
#15 Mascola Maryland
#19 Chino Ohio

165
#2 Jordan*** Wisconsin
#3 Moore UNI
#5 Wilson Nebraska
#8 Rohskopf NC State
#9 Rodrigues Illinois
#10 Perrotti* Rutgers
#11 Brennan Rider
#13 Weatherman Iowa State
#18 Fierro CSU Bakersfield
#19 Welch Purdue
#20 Glass Oklahoma

174
#6 Meyer Iowa
#7 Brunson Illinois
#10 Walters* Ohio
#11 Weatherspoon Iowa State
#12 Schleifer Princeton
#13 Barnes Nebraska
#14 Robertson Wisconsin
#15 Hammond CSU Bakersfield
#20 Jackson Indiana

184
#3 Stauffer* ASU
#4 Zilmer* NDSU
#5 Dechow* ODU
#6 Dudley* Nebraska
#11 Brooks Iowa
#14 Ayala Princeton
#17 Renda NC State
#18 Koepke Illinois

197
#4 Burak* Iowa
#7 Harner Princeton
#10 Rotert SDSU
#11 Studebacker Nebraska
#12 Wellington Ohio
#13 Abro Eastern Michigan
#16 Scott N. Illinois
#18 Franklin CSU Bakersfield
#20 Boykin NC State

285
#1 Gwiazdowski*** NC State
#5 Dhesi Oregon State
#6 Cabell UNI
#9 Smith Rutgers
#11 Black Illinois
#13 Solomon Pitt
#14 Jensen Nebraska
#19 Larson Oklahoma

Every weight class has at least 8 ranked wrestlers, and 8/20 P4P ranked guys by FLO are attending.

3 Top 10 teams
#3 Iowa
#5 NC State
#8 Nebraska

11-20 teams
#11 Illinois
#12 ODU
#13 UNI
#14 Wisconsin
#16 Oklahoma
#20 Northwestern

 

[Gusaford]

Nice analysis. A ton of talent is coming to Evanston; five #1s and five #2s. 133 looks like a meat grinder. At 141, Grothus will have a great chance to prove himself against the best in the country. At 184 and HWT, Brooks and Stoll can make serious moves up the rankings with strong performances. Match I most want to see: Clark against Brewer II, closely followed by IMAR against IMILLER.

 

[wasdt21]

maybe turk will have a chance to prove hisself.

 

[TarpHawk]

And Kemerer, please. And Grothus, but only if he's ready.

 

[grappler6]

Pretty impressive field. Throw in some blue chips recruits from around the country and maybe a post graduate or two and it gets even better.

 

[AFHawk86]

Pretty impressive field. Throw in some blue chips recruits from around the country and maybe a post graduate or two and it gets even better.

I wish this were still the case. Not many post grads participate anymore, but I'd love to see this too!

 

[BIG10MANIAC]

Meyer vs. Brunson of Illinois will be a good match. Meyer pinned him in the dual last year but it was in the final seconds of the match and Brunson was leading in points before the pin... It will be a good matchup to see how much Meyer has progressed in the off season.

 

[Omahahawk86]

Midlands never gets old. Glad to see teams we don't see throughout the year. I think there was a way we could watch it all online last year too.

 

[wasdt21]

btn plus 14.95 a month

 

[edquinn06]

How many do we send? How many can we send?
Gilman 1
Clark 2
Turk-Un
Ryan-Un
Carton-3
Grothus-if healthy-Un
BS-4
Kemerer-Un
Cooper-5
St John-Un
Paddock-Un
Rhoads-6
Meyer-7
Brooks-8
Klapp-Un
Burak-9
Stoll-10
Am I missing anyone?

 

[wasdt21]

seems like we were allowed 15 or 17 last year

 

[moug]

Has Klapprodt wrestled yet this year? I don't recall his name being mentioned since the season began. Well, until about 2 posts previous that is.

 

[LaxHawk174]

I think realistically after a good midlands we can be looking at Gilman, Clark, and Sorensen ranked top 2
Brooks and Burak can be ranked top 4.
Meyer can be ranked top 5.
Grothus and Stoll can be top 10.

The quality of guys there at all of the right weight classes gives us the opportunity to set up for some great seeds, as long as they have a good big ten performance as well.

 

[andegre]

seems like we were allowed 15 or 17 last year

I believe we've been allowed to take 15.

 

[edquinn06]

I believe we've been allowed to take 15.

Think last year we had 16. Gilman,Clark,jeva,carton,gross,BS,BG,Cooper,kelly,Moore,Meyer,Evans,Brooks,Burak,Telford,stoll.

 

[so cal hawkfan]

I'm really optimistic about the Hawks having a great Midlands tourney. They have looked pretty hungry so far, even in individual matches that they lost they are fighting for seven minutes. I really like where Sorensen is at right now. Tsirtsis looks vulnerable right now and didn't have it against Cimato. Cimato's not a bad wrestler, but has no business knocking off the defending champ. Brandon's been wrestling great and he's really consistent. I was worried about the matchup between him and Jake Sueflohn, but he looked bad against Perez from Princeton. It's not like Perez is some up and coming Frosh super-stud, he's a Senior with an up and down career. I think right now it's Brandon, Zain and everybody else. Mayes is tough too, but I think Brandon's defense is too stingy for him. Sammy Brooks has a great opportunity, to go toe-to-toe with several of the top guys in the country. Stauffer, Zillmer, Dudley and Dechow are all hammers, but Sammy can go with any of them and really cement himself as one of top guys in the country with some mild upsets here.

 

[DonHawkeye]

Brooks over Stauffer, Zillmer, Dudley or Dechow will not be an upset. With the new rules and being healthy I would consider it an upset losing to any of these guys.

It is Dean and Brooks at this weight. And even Dean used the out of bounds as safety umpteen times against a less than 100% Brooks to squeak by him.

Love these new rules for Sammy Brooks.

Dechow ran out of bounds about 10 times to get out of Brook's underhook at Midlands to win by a point.

The ISU kid will not be the last guy to be disqualified against Brooks this year.

 

[goiahawkeyes]

Good work Lax!

125 - Don't be surprised if Dance shows up again this year. VaTech basically has the entire month of December off.

133 - ABSOLUTELY LOADED. The Top 4 guys (6 of top 10) are all there. Going to be a fun bracket to watch. Semis of Clark/Taylor & Brewer/Hall would be great to see.

141 - Great opportunity for someone to make a run up the rankings. A lot of beatable guys here.

149 - Interested to see how Sueflohn matches up with Sorenson / Tsirtsis.

157 - If Cooper could finish in the top 6 that'd be a very good tournament for him. Otherwise IMAR / Miller should be fun to watch.

165 - I think Rhoads can knock 1-2 of these ranked guys off. I'll take his aggressiveness and gas tank over a lot of these other guys pure wrestling ability.

174 - Great opportunity for Meyer to really establish himself nationally and build confidence winning this tournament.

184 - Sammy is going to jump up the rankings here. He's vastly under ranked right now and should place top 3 in my opinion. Not going to be easy, but Sammy is a beast.

197 - Burak should win this one again. Excited to see him and Rotert this week.

Hwt - If Stoll can place, then he beat some solid dudes and should be ranked top 15. Great opportunity for him

 

[LutherAce]

Midlands also allows you to pick your 10 point getters...not as prevalent this year, but didn't last year we chose BS and Grothus as point getters, b/c Burak was r/s at the time?

 

[artradley]

Really looking forward to 41 / 74 / 84 / HWT

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Brooks ranked #11 is an absolute joke. He's a top 4 184, easy.

 

[The Vak]

Brooks ranked #11 is an absolute joke. He's a top 4 184, easy.

Based on....

 

[letsgohawks44]

Brooks ranked #11 is an absolute joke. He's a top 4 184, easy.

Not a joke at all. He's good enough to be top 4 but with the way he wrestled the 2nd half of last season he's probably ranked pretty close to where he should be. If he takes care of business at midlands he'll shoot up the rankings for sure.

 

[whejoe]

Midlands also allows you to pick your 10 point getters...not as prevalent this year, but didn't last year we chose BS and Grothus as point getters, b/c Burak was r/s at the time?

Are unattached guys allowed to be points getters? If so, I hope Kemdawg is chosen over whoever goes at 157 or 165

 

[MSU158]

Although I would pick Brooks to finish top 5, he is ranked(currently which should change after Midlands) where he should be. All 8 2015 AA's return from last season and the other 2 above him were AA's in 2014.

1.)Dean-Defending champ currently undefeated.
2.)Avery-Returning 3rd place currently undefeated.
3.)Stauffer-Returning 4th place currently undefeated.
4.)Courts-Returning 5th place and only loss is to undefeated 2x DIII Champ Lefever.
5.)Zillmer-Returning 6th place currently undefeated.
6.)Dechow-R16 last year, 4th place 2 years ago currently undefeated.
7.)Dudley-Returning 8th place and only loss is to Dean.
8.)Brown-Returning finalist only loss is to Dudley in OT.
9.)Miklus-Returning 7th place currently undefeated.
10.)Thomas-R16 last year, 6th place 2 years ago and only loss is to Dean.
11.)Brooks-R12 last year.

 

[SPOONER]

Are unattached guys allowed to be points getters? If so, I hope Kemdawg is chosen over whoever goes at 157 or 165

I don't recall the rule about unattached guys but we are in no danger of not winning this tournament.

 

[T8KUDWN]

I do not believe unattached guys score team points for us

 

[whejoe]

I don't recall the rule about unattached guys but we are in no danger of not winning this tournament.

I'm greedy. I want the Hawks to break the scoring records again.

 

[TarpHawk]

Although I would pick Brooks to finish top 5, he is ranked(currently which should change after Midlands) where he should be. All 8 2015 AA's return from last season and the other 2 above him were AA's in 2014.

1.)Dean-Defending champ currently undefeated.
2.)Avery-Returning 3rd place currently undefeated.
3.)Stauffer-Returning 4th place currently undefeated.
4.)Courts-Returning 5th place and only loss is to undefeated 2x DIII Champ Lefever.
5.)Zillmer-Returning 6th place currently undefeated.
6.)Dechow-R16 last year, 4th place 2 years ago currently undefeated.
7.)Dudley-Returning 8th place and only loss is to Dean.
8.)Brown-Returning finalist only loss is to Dudley in OT.
9.)Miklus-Returning 7th place currently undefeated.
10.)Thomas-R16 last year, 6th place 2 years ago and only loss is to Dean.
11.)Brooks-R12 last year.

Not everyday that you have a weight with 10 AAs.

 

[DonHawkeye]

Stauffer, Zillmer, Dudley and Dechow

Although I would pick Brooks to finish top 5, he is ranked(currently which should change after Midlands) where he should be. All 8 2015 AA's return from last season and the other 2 above him were AA's in 2014.

1.)Dean-Defending champ currently undefeated.
2.)Avery-Returning 3rd place currently undefeated.
3.)Stauffer-Returning 4th place currently undefeated.
4.)Courts-Returning 5th place and only loss is to undefeated 2x DIII Champ Lefever.
5.)Zillmer-Returning 6th place currently undefeated.
6.)Dechow-R16 last year, 4th place 2 years ago currently undefeated.
7.)Dudley-Returning 8th place and only loss is to Dean.
8.)Brown-Returning finalist only loss is to Dudley in OT.
9.)Miklus-Returning 7th place currently undefeated.
10.)Thomas-R16 last year, 6th place 2 years ago and only loss is to Dean.
11.)Brooks-R12 last year.

I guess if you put way more weight into NCAAs then yes this makes sense. I totally understand a ranking service doing that as long as they do it across the board.

If you treated the NCAAs as just another tournament and looked at quality wins and bad losses he could very easily be as high as 4 or 5. His resume is better than Courts, Thomas, Miklus, and he has head to head wins over Avery, Zillmer & Dudley.

 

[Squarehat]

Midlands also allows you to pick your 10 point getters...not as prevalent this year, but didn't last year we chose BS and Grothus as point getters, b/c Burak was r/s at the time?

Last year both Meyer and Evans scored points at 174. 1st and 3rd place

 

[ginormous.headed.circus.midget]

I don't think Meyer was a scorer...
I think they scored:
Gilman
Clark
Jeva
Sorensen
Grothus
Kelly
Moore
Evans
Brooks
Telford

 

[sloehawk]

I do not believe unattached guys score team points for us

I don't know if everyone has the same number of invites or not, but for quite some time it's been pick your 10 guys, any 10 guys to score points for you during the tournament. Whomever isn't picked as a point scorer is then unattached, which wouldn't count towards anything from a team perspective. I can't believe it would work any other way if you're unattached.

At this point you definitely put Kemerer in as a point scorer, and then you decide between Ryan, Rhoads and maybe Paddock for your last spot. Perhaps even Klapprodt at 197 depending on the field at that weight.

 

[SPOONER]

I don't know if everyone has the same number of invites or not, but for quite some time it's been pick your 10 guys, any 10 guys to score points for you during the tournament. Whomever isn't picked as a point scorer is then unattached, which wouldn't count towards anything from a team perspective. I can't believe it would work any other way if you're unattached.

At this point you definitely put Kemerer in as a point scorer, and then you decide between Ryan, Rhoads and maybe Paddock for your last spot. Perhaps even Klapprodt at 197 depending on the field at that weight.

My memory says the redshirts can't count or they would lose their redshirt since they would officially be participating for Iowa. That said I've been wrong before and that may not be the case anymore.

 

[Kdezeeuw]

My memory says the redshirts can't count or they would lose their redshirt since they would officially be participating for Iowa. That said I've been wrong before and that may not be the case anymore.

This.

As soon as Kemmerer scores points for the Hawks, he is no longer a red shirt candidate for this year.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Based on....

Based on my freedom to exercise my 1st amendment rights and express my opinion about a guy who's going to finish in the top 4 at Nationals but is currently ranked 11th.

 

[fleming24]

You CAN NOT score points for your team ie.Kemerer and KEEP your redshirt

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

Based on my freedom to exercise my 1st amendment rights and express my opinion about a guy who's going to finish in the top 4 at Nationals but is currently ranked 11th.

Sammy is my guy but he isn't the first, only or last guy ranked outside of the top 10 in early December that will finish top 4 in March. Rankings aren't predictions.

 

[sloehawk]

My memory says the redshirts can't count or they would lose their redshirt since they would officially be participating for Iowa. That said I've been wrong before and that may not be the case anymore.

I believe you're correct. Forgot about that angle as it concerned Kemerer.

 

[sloehawk]

Sammy is my guy but he isn't the first, only or last guy ranked outside of the top 10 in early December that will finish top 4 in March. Rankings aren't predictions.

I guess that depends on your definition of rankings because some of them are most definitely predictions.