Minneapolis PD Kill Black Man (not the subject of the warrant) during No Knock Search Warrant in Connection w/ a St Paul Homicide Investigation

[Hawkman98]

Read your response above, so question answered. Hard to believe but easy to see why there is such problem within law enforcement. This is why LE has lost respect and trust. You don't see problems with and won't take responsibility for mistakes and errors.

This is how the public perceives law enforcement. Your attitude is, so what?

You asked me a question and I answered it. I'm sorry you don't agree, but I answered with facts and knowledge. You're trying to pick apart my answer and make it seem like I'm being conceited or not caring. YOU are saying there was mistakes and errors with no professional knowledge. I think that is conceited on your part. Part of the problem is people like you that want to inject your opinions as facts when you don't have the experience or training to do so. LE losing respect and trust is a talking point for media. It's an easy thing to say. Have there been issues in LE that has casted a poor light on LE sure, but the vast majority of the citizen's at least in Iowa support and respect LE. This is one of the reason I started our agencies FB page and created a citizen's academy. It's to build trust and allow them to see first hand what some of the issues LE face, so they can comment and give their opinions based on first hand knowledge and facts. Our agency is well respected and there is a reason why and that is we TRY to be fair and respectful in our dealing with EVERYONE. Do yourself a favor and do a ride along with your local LE agency and ask honest questions, so you can hear LE side of things before you make your opinions on topics like this. You read a few articles and are telling someone who has 26 years of experience in LE they are wrong. I hope you see the problem with that.

 

[SalAunese]

Speed was supposedly living on the 14th floor with his mom but he was using the key fob for unit 701, where his brother & his brother's girlfriend lived. On the morning of the raid, Amir was on the couch, of course.

Speed was driving a Mercedes for 1.5 months, committing crimes. I hope they determine if Speed's mother, brother and cousin were aware of the Mercedes and if they asked Speed where the hell the Mercedes came from (likely a car jacking).

It’s already been established that the car was stolen.

 

[SalAunese]

I still believe the no knock is a bad policy and the results are painfully obvious

 

[Hawkman98]

I still believe the no knock is a bad policy and the results are painfully obvious

What about the majority where there has been no issues? Your opinion is based off a couple of high profiled cases.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Pretty sure he lived with his mother in the building. Sure, I believe Locke to be an innocent bystander but if this information is all true, Speed had sone culpability in this along with those who asked for the no knock warrant.

Speed may very well be guilty of murder and should be caught and tried but it appears they had info that he was seen at the complex so they just decided to raid any place there where he might be rather than try to determine where he actually was or if he was even still in the building at all. And it appears that he wasn't. Either that or they should have raided every single apartment there on the premise he could be in any of them.

The ONLY question that matters is whether any benefit obtained from a no-knock warrant outweighs the risks they produce to LEOs, civilians, and departments. Breonna Taylor and Amir Locke and others would say that the shoddy police work involved in obtaining and executing their particular warrants aren't worth the price paid. I agee.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

What about the majority where there has been no issues? Your opinion is based off a couple of high profiled cases.

First, you have to have some indication that those produced anything usable. Then you'd have to demonstrate that the evidence obtained couldn't have been obtained without the no-knock warrant. Then you have to weigh the value of what was obtained against the lives of LEO's and innocent people who are killed or injured in their execution. You can't call it a "success" simply because no innocent person was killed.

 

[DooBii]

First, you have to have some indication that those produced anything usable. Then you'd have to demonstrate that the evidence obtained couldn't have been obtained without the no-knock warrant. Then you have to weigh the value of what was obtained against the lives of LEO's and innocent people who are killed or injured in their execution. You can't call it a "success" simply because no innocent person was killed.

You realize you are speaking about tens of thousands of warrants every year. Do you think 20,000 warrants didn't "produce anything usable"? You can name 2 people TOTAL in the entire country that you are judging these warrants by. 2 out of hundreds of thousands over the years.

 

[Franisdaman]

It’s already been established that the car was stolen.

Yes. Speed was in possession of the stolen Mercedes for 1.5 months. The Mercedes was involved in numerous crimes before Elder's murder, including 3 armed robberies and a police pursuit.

My question is if Speed's mother, brother and cousin (Amir) were aware of the Mercedes over the course of the 1.5 months and if they asked Speed where the hell the Mercedes came from (likely from a violent, ARMED car jacking).


That story:

KARE 11 Investigates: How a tragic chain of events led to Locke’s death

Minnesota’s juvenile justice system handling of a violent juvenile led police to get a no-knock warrant the morning of Feb. 2.

www.kare11.com

 

[Franisdaman]

Speed may very well be guilty of murder and should be caught and tried but it appears they had info that he was seen at the complex so they just decided to raid any place there where he might be rather than try to determine where he actually was or if he was even still in the building at all. And it appears that he wasn't. Either that or they should have raided every single apartment there on the premise he could be in any of them.

The ONLY question that matters is whether any benefit obtained from a no-knock warrant outweighs the risks they produce to LEOs, civilians, and departments. Breonna Taylor and Amir Locke and others would say that the shoddy police work involved in obtaining and executing their particular warrants aren't worth the price paid. I agee.

"It appears," huh?

Once again, you are talking out of your ass & you show your ignorance by making ASSumptions.

And, again, @Hawkman98 explained to you that search warrants often occur when the suspect is not there. They only have so much time to get them done.

And, again, if you would educate yourself and not be so ignorant about this case, you would already know that:

* Speed shot and killed the St Paul man in January with a .223 caliber firearm.

* .223 rifle rounds can penetrate police body armor

* Speed and the other suspect(s) were posting videos and photos on Instagram, holding several different firearms, including what appeared to be the .223 caliber firearm used in the murder. They were more than armed and dangerous.


You ask if the benefits of using the no knock outweigh the risks. Well, the benefits are clear and obvious. But, you are ignorant and biased and can't see those benefits. The benefits, for starters:

(1) Speed needed to be removed from the streets. That would be a HUGE BENEFIT to all so that there are NO MORE ARMED ROBBERY, CAR JACKING AND MURDER VICTIMS.

(2) Speed was clearly extremely dangerous. @Hawkman98 , do you want to risk knocking on the door & being shot by a .223 firearm?

And there you go again saying it was shoddy police work involved in obtaining and executing the warrants. Well, the judge doesn't sign off on the warrant if things are "shoddy." And @Hawkman98 already explained that the police executed the warrants just as they are trained.

It's pretty clear that you don't get much of anything right. But at least you are consistent so we know to take everything you say moving forward with a grain of salt.

 

[WDSMHAWK]

(1) Speed needed to be removed from the streets. That would be a HUGE BENEFIT to all so that there are NO MORE MURDER VICTIMS.

Well the police murdered Amir Locke, so they did a pretty terrible job if their intent was to arrest Speed before any one else was killed.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

You realize you are speaking about tens of thousands of warrants every year. Do you think 20,000 warrants didn't "produce anything usable"? You can name 2 people TOTAL in the entire country that you are judging these warrants by. 2 out of hundreds of thousands over the years.

Is that what I said? *checks post* Why...no...that's not even remotely what I said. Let me fix your post for you.

Oh...BTW...I guess you missed the earlier post where I detailed the cases of Henry Magee and Marvin Guy who each shot and killed a LEO as their homes in TX were invaded. They occurred months apart separated by 100 miles. Almost identical circumstances. Magee, who is white, wasn't indicted for the killing as the grand jury accepted his self-defense claim. Guy, who is black, was indicted and has been sitting in the county jail for nearly 8 years...and is STILL awaiting his trial where he faces the death penalty. The raids on both houses involved drugs. They found several pounds of marijuana in Magee's house. Nothing was found in Guy's.

So you can add two dead LEO's to your count and a civilian whose life has been ruined. Would you like more? There are dozens over the last decade.

The truly pathetic part is if it was dozens of Covid deaths of fully vaccinated people out of a sample of a few hundred thousand, your dumb ass would be on here screaming about it.

 

[Franisdaman]

Well the police murdered Amir Locke, so they did a pretty terrible job if their intent was to arrest Speed before any one else was killed.

they murdered him, huh?

bias and ignorance is all you are showing here.

 

[Hawkman98]

Speed may very well be guilty of murder and should be caught and tried but it appears they had info that he was seen at the complex so they just decided to raid any place there where he might be rather than try to determine where he actually was or if he was even still in the building at all. And it appears that he wasn't. Either that or they should have raided every single apartment there on the premise he could be in any of them.

The ONLY question that matters is whether any benefit obtained from a no-knock warrant outweighs the risks they produce to LEOs, civilians, and departments. Breonna Taylor and Amir Locke and others would say that the shoddy police work involved in obtaining and executing their particular warrants aren't worth the price paid. I agee.

Well when he says the results are painfully obvious I assumed he was just talking about those that have ended in death.

 

[ThorneStockton]

What about the majority where there has been no issues? Your opinion is based off a couple of high profiled cases.

You know if you only consider the majority of law enforcement shifts where the officer is not killed or injured, the profession is one of the safest out there. The idea that officers face any real danger is based off a slim minority of high profile cases.

 

[WDSMHAWK]

they murdered him, huh?

bias and ignorance is all you are showing here.

It's pretty clear that your pro-police bias and lack of respect for human life has clouded your judgement regarding this shooting. They killed an innocent man and you've blamed everyone else besides the cop who actually pulled the trigger.

 

[MitchLL]

My god, seriously?

You don't think cops plant evidence?

We're talking about an entity that, by law, is allowed to lie to suspects during interrogations to extract info.

Anything is possible and you can't rule anything out.

 

[Franisdaman]

It's pretty clear that your pro-police bias and lack of respect for human life has clouded your judgement regarding this shooting. They killed an innocent man and you've blamed everyone else besides the cop who actually pulled the trigger.

what part of you don't point a loaded gun at cops do you not understand?

you don't need any bias to answer that question. you just need common sense.

 

[Pinehawk]

what part of you don't point a loaded gun at cops do you not understand?

you don't need any bias to answer that question. you just need common sense.

Locke did not point a loaded gun at the cops, and despite being disoriented, and appears to have never even covered the trigger with his finger.
I would bet Locke died without ever even realizing it was the police who killed him.

 

[DooBii]

Is that what I said? *checks post* Why...no...that's not even remotely what I said. Let me fix your post for you.



Oh...BTW...I guess you missed the earlier post where I detailed the cases of Henry Magee and Marvin Guy who each shot and killed a LEO as their homes in TX were invaded. They occurred months apart separated by 100 miles. Almost identical circumstances. Magee, who is white, wasn't indicted for the killing as the grand jury accepted his self-defense claim. Guy, who is black, was indicted and has been sitting in the county jail for nearly 8 years...and is STILL awaiting his trial where he faces the death penalty. The raids on both houses involved drugs. They found several pounds of marijuana in Magee's house. Nothing was found in Guy's.

So you can add two dead LEO's to your count and a civilian whose life has been ruined. Would you like more? There are dozens over the last decade.

The truly pathetic part is if it was dozens of Covid deaths of fully vaccinated people out of a sample of a few hundred thousand, your dumb ass would be on here screaming about it.

Have I even one time disparaged the vaccine? *checks posts* Why no... that's not remotely a statement or position I have ever taken on this board. Perhaps you are responding to someone else and quoted me by mistake.

 

[Tylerl_28]

if Locke had been a decent person he would have chosen to lead authorities to Speed and get him off the streets. Instead he wanted to keep it real and be a bad ass who sleeps with a gun.

he chose poorly.

 

[ft254]

You asked me a question and I answered it. I'm sorry you don't agree, but I answered with facts and knowledge. You're trying to pick apart my answer and make it seem like I'm being conceited or not caring. YOU are saying there was mistakes and errors with no professional knowledge. I think that is conceited on your part. Part of the problem is people like you that want to inject your opinions as facts when you don't have the experience or training to do so. LE losing respect and trust is a talking point for media. It's an easy thing to say. Have there been issues in LE that has casted a poor light on LE sure, but the vast majority of the citizen's at least in Iowa support and respect LE. This is one of the reason I started our agencies FB page and created a citizen's academy. It's to build trust and allow them to see first hand what some of the issues LE face, so they can comment and give their opinions based on first hand knowledge and facts. Our agency is well respected and there is a reason why and that is we TRY to be fair and respectful in our dealing with EVERYONE. Do yourself a favor and do a ride along with your local LE agency and ask honest questions, so you can hear LE side of things before you make your opinions on topics like this. You read a few articles and are telling someone who has 26 years of experience in LE they are wrong. I hope you see the problem with that.

My opinion is not your problem. You blew it by bringing up the media. I’ve been around the block several times and know dozens of people in law enforcement. Friends and relatives so stop with the holier than art thou. Respect is something earned and more difficult kept. Defend a situation like this fiasco and you are a fool.

I have expressed myself and from this point it will simply be exchanging unpleasantries so I am ending participation.

 

[Hawkman98]

You know if you only consider the majority of law enforcement shifts where the officer is not killed or injured, the profession is one of the safest out there. The idea that officers face any real danger is based off a slim minority of high profile cases.

As I stated before, he was referring to no knocks ending in death. The first 33 days of this year have resulted in 32 cops dying. Please sign up for this safe profession and great pay.

 

[Hawkman98]

My opinion is not your problem. You blew it by bringing up the media. I’ve been around the block several times and know dozens of people in law enforcement. Friends and relatives so stop with the holier than art thou. Respect is something earned and more difficult kept. Defend a situation like this fiasco and you are a fool.

I have expressed myself and from this point it will simply be exchanging unpleasantries so I am ending participation.

If your opinion is not my problem then stop posting them on a message board. Sorry for bringing up facts about the media. It seems your get touchy when dealing in facts. You look like a fool by saying this shooting was not justified based off of no experience or training. Ask your dozens of LE friends for their opinion on this shooting and get back to me.

 

[nbanflfactory]

I still believe the no knock is a bad policy and the results are painfully obvious

How many lives have they saved vs lost?

 

[ThorneStockton]

As I stated before, he was referring to no knocks ending in death. The first 33 days of this year have resulted in 32 cops dying. Please sign up for this safe profession and great pay.

Right, but if you ignore the ones that go bad and just focus on the majority, it's completely safe.

That was your logic.

 

[Hawkman98]

Right, but if you ignore the ones that go bad and just focus on the majority, it's completely safe.

That was your logic.

Sorry you can't grasp this. He was indicating no knocks should not be allowed because of cops killing innocent people while executing the warrant. I explained there have been very few circumstances when this has occurred. That is the only thing I was referring to. Now you're trying to spin it to a totally different topic.

 

[ThorneStockton]

Sorry you can't grasp this. He was indicating no knocks should not be allowed because of cops killing innocent people while executing the warrant. I explained there have been very few circumstances when this has occurred. That is the only thing I was referring to. Now you're trying to spin it to a totally different topic.

I understood your logic. You wanted him to ignore the innocent deaths because the vast majority of those warrants don't end in innocent deaths.

32 cops have died this year, and the vast majority have lived. Why don't we ignore the 32?

I'm not sorry that you can't grasp your own logic.

Maybe you could think twice about your logic or just blame the media, that's probably easier.

 

[Hawkman98]

I understood your logic. You wanted him to ignore the innocent deaths because the vast majority of those warrants don't end in innocent deaths.

32 cops have died this year, and the vast majority have lived. Why don't we ignore the 32?

I'm not sorry that you can't grasp your own logic.

Maybe you could think twice about your logic or just blame the media, that's probably easier.

You don't understand my logic. Keep trying to prove your point on two different topics with two different statistics. You brought up officers dying in the line of duty when the topic was innocent people dying because of no knock warrants. If you are agreeing no knock warrants where innocent people have died are the reason they should be banned, then provide those stats. My point was that there are very few cases where innocent people die at the hands of police during no knock warrants.

 

[ThorneStockton]

You don't understand my logic. Keep trying to prove your point on two different topics with two different statistics. You brought up officers dying in the line of duty when the topic was innocent people dying because of no knock warrants. If you are agreeing no knock warrants where innocent people have died are the reason they should be banned, then provide those stats. My point was that there are very few cases where innocent people die at the hands of police during no knock warrants.

And if you just swap out a couple of words:

My point was that there are very few cases where police die at the hands of others during their employment.

At this point, I am sorry that you don't get it.

 

[Hawkman98]

And if you just swap out a couple of words:

My point was that there are very few cases where police die at the hands of others during their employment.

At this point, I am sorry that you don't get it.

IF. Keep spinning. And btw, I never said police work is dangerous and LE dying in the line of duty makes it one of the top dangerous jobs. I just responded to your new topic that you were trying to spin by saying how man cops have died in the first 33 days.

 

[ThorneStockton]

IF. Keep spinning

IF. Keep spinning. And btw, I never said police work is dangerous and LE dying in the line of duty makes it one of the top dangerous jobs. I just responded to your new topic that you were trying to spin by saying how man cops have died in the first 33 days.

I wish you would quit spinning and start thinking. At least you can sleep at night knowing the vast majority of police will end each shift alive and well, just like most of the suspects in no knock raids.

The ones who die? Meh, who cares, the vast majority live.

 

[Hawkman98]

I wish you would quit spinning and start thinking. At least you can sleep at night knowing the vast majority of police will end each shift alive and well, just like most of the suspects in no knock raids.

The ones who die? Meh, who cares, the vast majority live.

Lol me spinning? How did we get onto how dangerous le was? Oh that’s right you spun a discussion about no knock warrants into line of duty deaths. Carry on

 

[ThorneStockton]

Lol me spinning? How did we get onto how dangerous le was? Oh that’s right you spun a discussion about no knock warrants into line of duty deaths. Carry on

I'm calling it quits, it's difficult to communicate with you without being condescending and the feeling like you're punching down on someone who doesn't even realize it.

Stay safe out there, the majority do, the less fortunate? Meh, let's focus on the majority.

 

[Hawkman98]

I'm calling it quits, it's difficult to communicate with you without being condescending and the feeling like you're punching down on someone who doesn't even realize it.

Stay safe out there, the majority do, the less fortunate? Meh, let's focus on the majority.

One last spin for the road huh?

 

[ft254]

If your opinion is not my problem then stop posting them on message board. Sorry for bringing up facts about the media. It seems your get touchy when dealing in facts. You look like a fool by saying this shooting was not justified based off of no experience or training. Ask your dozens of LE friends for their opinion on this shooting and get back to me.

Not your problem arrogant shit. Pretend you're a goddamn Wyatt Earp and no one else has options or values worth considering.
For all we know you be a Barney Fife in some mickey mouse shithole pushing lawman bullshit.

You do not impress me with your bully tactics, and it may work in your classroom, if you say so, or on Mayberry Street, but I don't give a shit otherwise. I'm old enough to not put up with crap from assholes like you.

Legitimate professionals don't embellish their craft. That's for show offs.

 

[DooBii]

Not your problem arrogant shit. Pretend you're a goddamn Wyatt Earp and no one else has options or values worth considering.
For all we know you be a Barney Fife in some mickey mouse shithole pushing lawman bullshit.

You do not impress me with your bully tactics, and it may work in your classroom, if you say so, or on Mayberry Street, but I don't give a shit otherwise. I'm old enough to not put up with crap from assholes like you.

Legitimate professionals don't embellish their craft. That's for show offs.

Holy shit. Lol 😆

 

[Pinehawk]

When it comes to Covid, some wanted to try to save every life, and we all had to make changes to do so.
But, when no knock warrants kill innocent people, people shrug it off as unavoidable, and aren’t willing to make any changes.

 

[Hawkman98]

Not your problem arrogant shit. Pretend you're a goddamn Wyatt Earp and no one else has options or values worth considering.
For all we know you be a Barney Fife in some mickey mouse shithole pushing lawman bullshit.

You do not impress me with your bully tactics, and it may work in your classroom, if you say so, or on Mayberry Street, but I don't give a shit otherwise. I'm old enough to not put up with crap from assholes like you.

Legitimate professionals don't embellish their craft. That's for show offs.

I'll value your opinion when you stop acting like they are facts. I'm not trying to impress you, just provide you with facts that you seem to get pissy about. Just like you making all of those assumptions about me and my career. Once again that is your opinion that you are trying to push off as facts and once again you are wrong. But if that makes you feel better go for it. You told me!!

 

[SalAunese]

nothing derails an adult discussion like closed minds and emotions

 

[Pinehawk]

Yeah. Your all thoughts are just opinions. But @Hawkman98 only has facts.…