Cool but the shooting was justified as I stated.
Minneapolis PD Kill Black Man (not the subject of the warrant) during No Knock Search Warrant in Connection w/ a St Paul Homicide Investigation
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Legally. Morally it wasn’t, and that’s why a lot of people now distrust cops. A guy is dead who shouldn’t be, and the ranks close up tightly to protect the system. If there had not been video of Chauvin murdering Floyd then you know full well the original report would have stood, and MPD would have insisted Floyd caused his own death by resisting arrest. All tidy and neat.
Boy, I’ll bet @Hawkman98 really regrets letting you stitch together him as your wing man. Have you messaged him yet about doing a ride along and maybe getting to run the siren?
Cool...but that doesn't mean much if you're unwilling to opine on the decisions that put that LEO in the situation in the first place. And enough details are known to form an opinion.
Cool? An innocent man was killed and your response is Cool
This demonstrates a general attitude on the right of police over action and racism.
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Again all speculation. You don't know that and neither do I.
I haven't had enough time to dig into the details. I don't know how some of you guys have the time to spend so much time on here reading, commenting and arguing about shit that you don't know about. With family, school events and a fulltime job, I'm lucky to check this page daily.
No, I said cool to his statement that had nothing to do with me saying the shooting was justified. You're part of the problem trying to read into every little word that is typed trying to make an issue out of everything.
I am not a cop hater. I am a hater of the abuse of power, and the lack of accountability seen all too often in cases such as these.
btw, you say it is a 'justified shooting', but I believe that has yet to be officially determined.
That is not speculation. The police blatantly lied in their police report regarding the George Floyd situation.
Which we see commonly in deadly use of force investigations.
Well please point me to a thread or post that you have said something positive about LE. If they are out there, I'll change my mind.
I gave my opinion that this was a justified shooting according to deadly force policies and case law. I also said at least twice that I'm not saying they won't charge the officer and he will be sued civilly.
I think this is just something people say when they go off on cops on a regular basis. Kind of like racist people saying they're not racist because they have a black friend. Have you ever started a thread or commented in a thread about something positive in LE? Regardless, maybe you don't hate all cops, but you certainly aren't on here giving your opinion on the good and the bad. Even when I give you facts you can't agree. There is a middle ground you know. You don't have to be so hard headed. Feel free to point out the bad cops and I will join you saying that the cop was wrong, but if you don't hate cops then be open minded enough to look all sides fairly.
Try holding bad cops accountable instead of excusing their actions and we'll get closer to a middle ground.
I can't recall you ever starting a thread, or saying something critical in regards to police abuse of power and lack of accountability.
I can't recall you ever starting a thread, or saying something critical in regards to police abuse of power and lack of accountability.
Well then look at my past post and you will see them including in this thread where I said I arrested two of my co workers costing them their job, a fireman for owi out a firetruck and writing many cops tickets. I agree we need to get the bad cops out, but it's only getting worse because they are being replaced with worse.
Again, I heard during a live news broadcast that the raids of the 3 apartments were simultaneous. A reporter, citing his sources, reported that. It was not "just conjecture" on my part; I was sharing what was being reported.
Now, as more info has come out, it appears they entered the unit on the 7th floor first. The murderer and his mother lived in one of the two 14th floor units. Hopefully it will come out when exactly each unit was entered.
The murderer's jacket was found in unit 701, where Amir was. The murderer had used a key FOB for unit 701 to access & leave the Bolero Flats.
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Hawkman98 nailed it when he called you a douchebag.
And you are a complete idiot, as well. I sure as hell was not defending Chauvin, who kneeled on George Floyd for 9 minutes.
The St Paul police asked for the warrants for all 3 apartments which were tied to the murder investigation.
They were looking for EVIDENCE AND a total of 3 suspects (the guy that pulled the trigger and 2 others with him). But you think it should have been a no-go, because you know so much about policing and police investigations. SMH
They gathered evidence from each unit, so clearly they had good intel. You falsely claimed otherwise.
@Hawkman98 stated previous that LE does many search warrants when the suspect is not there; they only have so much time to do them.
So, before ignorantly claiming LE was "dumb as shit" and it was "piss poor decision making," why don't you listen, pay attention and educate yourself first.
@Hawkman98 told me he was going to have to file a restraining order against you if you didn’t stop excessively tagging him in posts.
I don't mind anyone tagging me if they are asking questions or for wanting my opinions on something.
Unfortunately, there are far too many far left, ding bat posters who immediately side against cops, regardless of the situation.
It was at 7 am, not the middle of the night.
They were looking for 3 people, not 1.
You can't even get the simplest of details correct. It's stunning how ignorant you are on this case.
And as noted earlier in this thread, the murderer had (1) made previous, alarming comments about cops; and (2) was obviously considered armed and dangerous. Hence, the no knock request. But, because of your bias, you call it a "stupid decision."
I am not a cop hater and understand the environment police have to work in and endure.
I do however think the law enforcement AND courts have gone overboard since such policies as "zero" has filled prisons and produced a perpetual criminal population, making it self-promoting and self-sustaining. The profit mode is linked to requirements to fund them.
Regarding policing tactics and actions, it was reported today more than 1020 people were shot and killed by police officers in the U.S. in 2020. More than half were black though they account for 13% of the population. The frequency of reports of police abuse and unnecessary violence towards civilians in otherwise nonthreatening situations are there for everyone to see. Cell phones and iPads have become the maverick lawman's nemesis.
Another issue is the social violence epidemic which has worked its way into law enforcement. The authority law enforcement officer's control is not without considerable consequence; directly and indirectly. Chauvin murdered a person and destroyed public trust with his racial hatred and arrogance. His history of misbehavior preceded the George Floyd event.
Those offices I believe in Colorado that handcuffed those black children in the heat of the day in a parking lot, forcing them to lay on hot concrete while they sobbed, begging for their parents was reprehensible. It was Gestapo-like treatment of grade school age kids. How on earth human beings can be so cruel unnecessarily.
I respect laws and police. I don't respect law enforcement departments that don't deserve respect and have the right and wisdom to make that determination. You on the other hand have the responsibility to be objective if you defend an organization or situation. To defend carte blanche is not defense.
I do however think the law enforcement AND courts have gone overboard since such policies as "zero" has filled prisons and produced a perpetual criminal population, making it self-promoting and self-sustaining. The profit mode is linked to requirements to fund them.
Regarding policing tactics and actions, it was reported today more than 1020 people were shot and killed by police officers in the U.S. in 2020. More than half were black though they account for 13% of the population. The frequency of reports of police abuse and unnecessary violence towards civilians in otherwise nonthreatening situations are there for everyone to see. Cell phones and iPads have become the maverick lawman's nemesis.
Another issue is the social violence epidemic which has worked its way into law enforcement. The authority law enforcement officer's control is not without considerable consequence; directly and indirectly. Chauvin murdered a person and destroyed public trust with his racial hatred and arrogance. His history of misbehavior preceded the George Floyd event.
Those offices I believe in Colorado that handcuffed those black children in the heat of the day in a parking lot, forcing them to lay on hot concrete while they sobbed, begging for their parents was reprehensible. It was Gestapo-like treatment of grade school age kids. How on earth human beings can be so cruel unnecessarily.
I respect laws and police. I don't respect law enforcement departments that don't deserve respect and have the right and wisdom to make that determination. You on the other hand have the responsibility to be objective if you defend an organization or situation. To defend carte blanche is not defense.
Seems way too coincidental that the only stories you hear like this one happen in the USA...
And since the Minneapolis PD has once again made national news (for all the wrong reasons), I thought (1) you would be interested in it; (2) it would be interesting to hear your opinions on all of the issues involved.
LOL...you think that makes it better. That's funny. How many of the three did they find in the three apartments they raided?
I wonder why they chose to raid his brothers apartment first instead of the place he lived. It seems excessive that they would use no knock warrants for innocent people's residences. Does the jacket have blood or gun powder on it, something to link it to the murder? Otherwise the jacket doesn't seem like major evidence.
So after the shooting of Amir they proceeded to execute 2 more no knock warrants in the same building?
There's nothing funny about the fact that you can't get the simplest of details in this case correct.
Regarding the murderer, Mekhi Speed, age 17:
(1) Speed had made previous, alarming comments about cops, as noted earlier in this thread.
(2) When Speed was 16, he got into a fight, went back to his car to get a gun, and started firing MULTIPLE ROUNDS. One of the many rounds hit the other man in the leg.
(3) In what was supposed to be a drug deal in St Paul, one of Speed's accomplices sat in the murder victim's passenger seat. Speed then shot and killed the St Paul man.
(4) Speed was obviously considered armed and dangerous. When Speed was arrested, he had a loaded gun on him.
So, its pretty clear Speed did not like cops and had a history of erratic, extremely dangerous behavior with guns. Hence, the no knock request. But, because of your bias and ignorance, you call the no knock a "stupid decision."
Here is some more information on Speed (with a timeline), who the police got off the streets when he was 16 but the juvenile justice system set him free.
* In September 2020, then-16-year-old Speed got into a fight with a 22-year-old man at a strip mall. Speed responded by going back to his car, grabbing a gun, and firing multiple rounds. One of the bullets went through the man's leg. A witness ID’d Speed as firing the shots.
As @Hawkman98 has brought up, with dangerous individuals like this, do you expect police to knock on the door and allow Speed to grab his gun and start firing?
* Speed would be charged with second degree assault and a minor in possession of a firearm, which carries a mandatory prison sentence.
* The Minnesota’s juvenile justice system, however, allowed this violent teen to avoid prison, with the hopes of rehabilitating him in an attempt to prevent him from being institutionalized.
* A 3-year adult prison sentence was stayed until he was 21, so long as he followed the terms of his probation, remain law abiding and get treatment.
* In Dec 2020 Speed was sent to the West Central Regional Juvenile Treatment Center’s secure residential program in Moorhead, MN.
* After his discharge, Speed twice tested positive for pot in the summer of 2021. He failed to stay in regular contact with probation, failed to go to school regularly and failed to go to therapy, according to court records.
* In October, 2021, Judge Shereen Askalani found Speed's violation of his probation as “intentional and inexcusable.” Though she could have sent him to prison, Askalani ordered that Speed be released to his mother and put on 30 days of electronic home monitoring.
* 3 months later, on Jan 10, 2022, at about 9:30 at night, Speed is accused of murdering Otis Elder in St. Paul.
* According to the criminal complaint, police watched a video of Elder's murder that showed the man who fired the gun wearing a dark jacket and light-colored hooded sweatshirt.
* After the shooting, the man in the dark colored jacket and an accomplice hopped into a silver Mercedes and sped away.
* Police suspected that the Mercedes had been stolen in Nov. 27, 2021 -- about a month after a judge put Speed on home monitoring.
* The Mercedes was involved in numerous crimes before Elder's murder, including 3 armed robberies and a police pursuit.
* After the murder, police tracked the Mercedes using MN DOT cameras to the Bolero Flats Apartments in downtown Minneapolis.
* Police went to the building on Jan. 24 and met with witnesses who ID'd the man in the stolen Mercedes as Speed. Video also showed him arriving at the Bolero Flats wearing similar clothes to the man who shot Elder.
* Police identified 3 different apartments in the Bolero Flats where Speed could be, including apartment 701, where Speed's brother and his girlfriend lived. When police raided the unit on Feb. 2, the two of them were there, along with Amir Locke -- Speed's cousin.
* Speed was not in any of the three apartments raided, but police did find clothing that matched what he was seen wearing on video during Elder's murder, according to the complaint.
* Speed was arrested in Winona, MN, about 5 days after the raid, where he was found with a loaded gun in his jacket, according to the criminal complaint.
* The juvenile justice system's attempt to keep Speed from being institutionalized has obviously failed. 2 people are DEAD as a result. If convicted as an adult for murder, Speed faces a minimum of 23 years in prison.
The Full Story:
KARE 11 Investigates: How a tragic chain of events led to Locke’s death
Minnesota’s juvenile justice system handling of a violent juvenile led police to get a no-knock warrant the morning of Feb. 2.
www.kare11.com
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Speed (the murderer) was using the key fob for unit 701 to get access to the building, even though he was supposedly living with his mother on the 14th floor.
Unit 701, of course, was where his brother & girlfriend lived & where Amir was visiting. Speed was a frequent visitor to unit 701.
This is all why the St Paul police wanted that unit searched.
Note that police found Speed's jacket in unit 701. Nothing has been reported on whether anything (blood or gun powder) was found on it. Video evidence of the murder, however, linked this jacket to the murder and to Speed, so it would be considered "major evidence."
Again, there is confusion on when exactly all 3 apartments were raided. Originally they were reporting that the raids of the 3 apartments were simultaneous (partly do to the fact that 2 of the 3 apartments were next door to each other).
I'm no lawyer, but unless the jacket has trace evidence on it or was one of a kind I'm pretty sure that it's only circumstantial evidence.
Hey, @Hawkman98:
As I noted above, police suspected that the Mercedes that Speed used in the murder had been stolen on Nov. 27, 2021 -- about a month after a judge put Speed on home monitoring.
The Mercedes, during those 1.5 months, was involved in numerous crimes before Elder's January, 2022 murder, including 3 armed robberies and a police pursuit.
After the murder, police tracked Speed and the Mercedes using MN DOT cameras to the Bolero Flats Apartments in downtown Minneapolis.
Car jackings are out of control in the Minneapolis/St Paul metro area. Do you think Speed's brother, mother or cousin (Amir) asked him where AND HOW the hell he got that Mercedes?
The juvenile system FAILED US ALL. And I think it's safe to say the parents failed as well. Hell, the father is never mentioned in any report.
As I noted above, police suspected that the Mercedes that Speed used in the murder had been stolen on Nov. 27, 2021 -- about a month after a judge put Speed on home monitoring.
The Mercedes, during those 1.5 months, was involved in numerous crimes before Elder's January, 2022 murder, including 3 armed robberies and a police pursuit.
After the murder, police tracked Speed and the Mercedes using MN DOT cameras to the Bolero Flats Apartments in downtown Minneapolis.
Car jackings are out of control in the Minneapolis/St Paul metro area. Do you think Speed's brother, mother or cousin (Amir) asked him where AND HOW the hell he got that Mercedes?
The juvenile system FAILED US ALL. And I think it's safe to say the parents failed as well. Hell, the father is never mentioned in any report.
Fact: no amount of postulating will change the fact that an innocent civilian was shot and killed in a botched raid.
I thought you would be outraged and would demand that everyone in the juvenile justice system who allowed this to happen be fired!! I guess you biased hypocrites save all your outrage for LE.
After all, Speed should have gone to jail in Sep 2020 for 3 years when he was 16 and shot a man. But they tried to rehab him. That obviously was shown to be a mistake when Speed violated parole in October, 2021, which should have sent him to jail, again. Instead, they tried to continue to rehab him. Had they removed this violent, dangerous person from the streets, both the St Paul man and Amir Locke would be alive today.
Damn Fran is literally blaming everyone else besides the poorly trained officers for Amir Locke's death.
Duh. Why would we blame the LEO that immediately killed an innocent man holding a legally registered firearm.
I have to wonder if there was any consideration for who the residents of those apartments were, and if any of them owned a firearm? There's no firearm registration in many states, but I have a CCW, and law enforcement would know that if they had a warrant for me or at my residence.
In the same circumstances, it's my house, I probably have a gun, and you aren't looking for me. A no knock warrant would probably be dangerous.
In the same circumstances, it's my house, I probably have a gun, and you aren't looking for me. A no knock warrant would probably be dangerous.
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