That’s why so many of us are Democrats……we don’t like organized political parties, to paraphrase Will Rogers.
My official take on Tuesday's results . . .
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Democrats have run shit candidates every election since Obama.
Didn’t even read it but the narcissism in you is strong to think anyone who disagrees with you isn’t rational.This will likely be my last politics-related post for awhile as it is now abundantly clear a majority of American voters cannot think rationally about governance.
So I'll stick to sports, booze, fishing and other topics that interest me for the time being.
But in case you are wondering what my take is on what just happened, feel free to read it here:
Who are we?
The "American Experiment" is entering a dangerous part of the laboratorytorybrecht.substack.com
Many Americans think that some agencies need to be disempowered due to those agencies being non-elected officials setting policies that WE must live by. I would argue that those same Americans are rational about governance while YOU are not.
They failed to appeal to democrats. Harris outperformed Biden in ZERO counties. That’s not because they screwed up getting independents or disgruntled Republicans, that only happens if your own party doesn’t like what you’re selling.
There are plenty of counties in this country who can’t WAIT to vote D, and even they couldn’t be bothered to get out and support Kamala.
we are fookedThis will likely be my last politics-related post for awhile as it is now abundantly clear a majority of American voters cannot think rationally about governance.
So I'll stick to sports, booze, fishing and other topics that interest me for the time being.
But in case you are wondering what my take is on what just happened, feel free to read it here:
Who are we?
The "American Experiment" is entering a dangerous part of the laboratory
Is this anything new in the history of the US ? Not advocating one way or the other, seems par for the course in a lot of ways.This will likely be my last politics-related post for awhile as it is now abundantly clear a majority of American voters cannot think rationally about governance.
So I'll stick to sports, booze, fishing and other topics that interest me for the time being.
But in case you are wondering what my take is on what just happened, feel free to read it here:
Who are we?
The "American Experiment" is entering a dangerous part of the laboratory
More 'If only they could be as enlightened as we are...'
Dems will continue losing if they don't ever admit to themselves why they're losing.
You voted for a literal criminal to run the country. Very exceptional place
hawkeyetraveler
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I gave you a like for this because I appreciate you reaching across the aisle to Harris voters. And I think you are right (at least historically) about what makes America exceptional. I truly hope the 2024 Trump/MAGA version does as you say they will. My fiscal conservatism hopes they will find the fat without throwing out the necessary bit of governance.
But then I look at all Trump’s impossible promises. I think back to the empty promises of 2016. I think about how he left office last time. I think about his desire for revenge. And I just find it hard to believe that after 50 years in public life, with a consistent record as a scumbag narcissist conman, that he is now going to govern as a reasonable president. I also know more than a thing or two about economics, tariffs and business. Everything I know says his policies will backfire.
I’m keeping a mental bookmark of this post and for all our sakes I hope I’m wrong. I hope a couple years from now you don’t look back and wonder how this snake oil grifter f*cked average Americans.
Enjoyed it. Thanks.
My take is similar in many ways too. If this is what the non college educated working class (white, black and brown alike) want, then I truly want Trump and MAGA full throttle ahead. Burn it all down and see how it all works for them. My household income is currently at the 92 percentile, my two oldest kids are in college and my youngest goes to the nicest private school in town and also will go to college.
My retirement, company stock and home equity are in great shape. The 100 percent owned corporation I work for, and own a sizable chuck of stock of now, would love some more tax breaks…it will be great for me. And go ahead and lower my taxes, too, which are sizable in my bracket. I have no ****s left to give about the poor working class.
And if a sizable chunk of black people and Latinos don’t give a flying **** about Trump and MAGA’s blatant and obvious racism and white supremacy ties, why the **** should I?
I am bummed still for women and LBGTQ folks but there are a lot of great blue states they can move to. And honestly, a sizable chunk of women were an embarrassment here voting for Trump while at same time trying to also vote for abortion protection rights at state level.
My take is similar in many ways too. If this is what the non college educated working class (white, black and brown alike) want, then I truly want Trump and MAGA full throttle ahead. Burn it all down and see how it all works for them. My household income is currently at the 92 percentile, my two oldest kids are in college and my youngest goes to the nicest private school in town and also will go to college.
My retirement, company stock and home equity are in great shape. The 100 percent owned corporation I work for, and own a sizable chuck of stock of now, would love some more tax breaks…it will be great for me. And go ahead and lower my taxes, too, which are sizable in my bracket. I have no ****s left to give about the poor working class.
And if a sizable chunk of black people and Latinos don’t give a flying **** about Trump and MAGA’s blatant and obvious racism and white supremacy ties, why the **** should I?
I am bummed still for women and LBGTQ folks but there are a lot of great blue states they can move to. And honestly, a sizable chunk of women were an embarrassment here voting for Trump while at same time trying to also vote for abortion protection rights at state level.
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So full of shit. You and yours keep coming back to this because you can't separate your "own the libs" bullshit from reality. Rush Limbaugh still rules your world. For types like you politics is about that moment when you think you can demand that Democrats meekly admit you were right about everything after all. It's the same thing you have been saying whenever you win since 1994. Insipid, vapid.
And of course what was the Republican response to losing in 18, 20, and 22? Did your fellow Republicans follow the advice you're giving to Dems after this election and "admit to themselves why they're losing"? Of course not, it was doubling down and more of the same in 24.
The Democrats lost because they were the party controlling the White House in an election where a large majority of the country have negative perceptions of the economy and cost of living and hence the direction of the country. That's it. This wasn't some kind of Reagan or even the type of "landslide" (if you want to call it that) that Biden and the Democrats won in 2020. Trump may end up getting under 50% of the popular vote.
In 2026 if we're allowed to have elections there will almost certainly be a boomerang effect nationally if economic perceptions are the same --let alone all the other incompetence and corruption and just flat-out meanness a 2nd Trump administration will unleash on the country. Plus Trump and the Republicans are promising quick and easy fixes on these issues that their proposed policy agenda is certain to make worse. I just have to LOL at people citing inflation as the reason they voted Trump with what Trump is proposing per economic policy.
If the Dems do nothing but just exist as the alternative to the ruling Republican party they have a very good chance of winning in 26 or 28 (if we have free and fair elections) , just as the Republicans had that advantage in 24.
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OP, I just saw that local animal shelter is welcoming White Dudes for Harris members to come in and pet the animals. Apparently a coping mechanism or something. You should check it out.
There are a lot of Americans who are sitting back honestly waiting to see how the Grifter and Chief is gonna phuque the people who elected him, over. It’s not a matter of “if” as much as a matter of “when”….. Leopards do not change their spots.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
Thanks OP,.. but this level journalistic masterbation is probably best confined to your diary.
“ journalistic masterbation”? How so? Folks who don’t tow “your line” are bad? Guys like torbee and me are honestly curious as to what folks like you see in a guy like Trump. He’s a schmoe! He always has been. He is infintile immature and childish in his actions and reactions. Professionally he is a liar. As a politician, he’s a novice and a treasonist against the very people, nation and constitution he promised to uphold! And yet your response to any criticism of Trump is to accuse the source of “journalistic masterbation”….Rifler, you are a hard one to figure.
“He is infintile (sic) immature and childish in his actions and reactions.”
You talking about Trump here, or Torbee.
Either way you’re spot on. 🤣
Masterbation in any form isn't bad, but it's self serving and it's natural environment is private,.. To answer your question, what I see in Trump is everything that I haven't seen in Biden and Harris.
Glad to see you are still writing your Hawkeye football weekly report. Enjoy reading your sports articles. However re: politics, was surprised you were popping off before the election, expected more from you but not the other liberal trolls here. This board is infested with them. Even your look at me announcement has to have a dig "a majority of American voters cannot think rationally abut governance". Maybe you are more like Trump than you think!This will likely be my last politics-related post for awhile as it is now abundantly clear a majority of American voters cannot think rationally about governance.
So I'll stick to sports, booze, fishing and other topics that interest me for the time being.
But in case you are wondering what my take is on what just happened, feel free to read it here:
Who are we?
The "American Experiment" is entering a dangerous part of the laboratory
From an Omaha campaign worker
What's that again you idiot? Trump won 4-1, the op stated they would win 3 more. Go get your kleenexes.
Good idea. Stick to sports and other things, your political takes are poor and often unfounded in reality.This will likely be my last politics-related post for awhile as it is now abundantly clear a majority of American voters cannot think rationally about governance.
So I'll stick to sports, booze, fishing and other topics that interest me for the time being.
But in case you are wondering what my take is on what just happened, feel free to read it here:
Who are we?
The "American Experiment" is entering a dangerous part of the laboratory
Btw, if you're going to go on a whiney rant blaming the majority if Americans, you should start your very first sentence with a fact.
He was found "liable" for battery and defamation and specifically the jury found him not liable for rape.
This, among many other reasons, is why you keep losing.
Fact Check: Was Donald Trump found guilty of rape?
Trump critics claimed he was found guilty of rape after E. Jean Carroll's lawsuit against him ended.
www.newsweek.com
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As a human being?
Not. Even. Close.
Let's start with her not being a rapist. Or a felon.
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Yeah, I'm going to take the trial judge's word for it - because I'm not a dipshit.Good idea. Stick to sports and other things, your political takes are poor and often unfounded in reality.
Btw, if you're going to go on a whiney rant blaming the majority if Americans, you should start your very first sentence with a fact.
He was found "liable" for battery and defamation and specifically the jury found him not liable for rape.
This, among many other reasons, is why you keep losing.
Fact Check: Was Donald Trump found guilty of rape?
Trump critics claimed he was found guilty of rape after E. Jean Carroll's lawsuit against him ended.
Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll
by Aaron BlakeJuly 19, 2023 at 1:15 p.m. EDT
Donald Trumpfound liable for sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll his legal team and his defenders lodged a frequent talking point.
Despite Carroll’s claims that Trump had raped her, they noted, the jury stopped short of saying he committed that particular offense. Instead, jurors opted for a second option: sexual abuse.
“This was a rape claim, this was a rape case all along, and the jury rejected that — made other findings,” his lawyer, Joe Tacopina, said outside the courthouse.
A judge has now clarified that this is basically a legal distinction without a real-world difference. He says that what the jury found Trump did was in fact rape, as commonly understood.
“The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,’ ” Kaplan wrote.
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He added: “Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”
Kaplan said New York’s legal definition of “rape” is “far narrower” than the word is understood in “common modern parlance.”
[COLOR=var(--wpds-colors-onBackground)]Kaplan roundly [COLOR=var(--wpds-colors-onBackground)]rejected Trump’s motion[/COLOR] Tuesday, calling that argument “entirely unpersuasive.”[/COLOR][/COLOR]
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Dems are losing for two reasons - running shitty candidates and having to deal with about half the population that is no longer operating in objective reality thanks to the right wing media echo chamber.
For the past year all he’s had to offer is condescension and insults.Good idea. Stick to sports and other things, your political takes are poor and often unfounded in reality.
Btw, if you're going to go on a whiney rant blaming the majority if Americans, you should start your very first sentence with a fact.
He was found "liable" for battery and defamation and specifically the jury found him not liable for rape.
This, among many other reasons, is why you keep losing.
Fact Check: Was Donald Trump found guilty of rape?
Trump critics claimed he was found guilty of rape after E. Jean Carroll's lawsuit against him ended.
And now all he’s got left is hurt, bitter feelings.
Like a teenaged girl. 😢
So the majority of American voters are irrational?This will likely be my last politics-related post for awhile as it is now abundantly clear a majority of American voters cannot think rationally about governance.
So I'll stick to sports, booze, fishing and other topics that interest me for the time being.
But in case you are wondering what my take is on what just happened, feel free to read it here:
Who are we?
The "American Experiment" is entering a dangerous part of the laboratory
To be clear, my candidate only got 0.4% of the vote. That probably makes me irrational, too.
You, and many others here, have a superiority complex. I generally enjoy your posts, but once in awhile you jump the shark. You, and many others, are basically all or nothing when it comes to how you evaluate things. Anyone critical of a Democrat must automatically be a MAGA extremist. You fail to recognize any other possibility.
A severely flawed narcissist got elected twice. He didn't accomplish that because of a rabid base. He did that because of the state of the country each time, and because of the choices of Democrats in the elections. He lost to Biden because he's an asshole. Ultimately, minority voters, and other specific groups, decided Trump's policies outweighed his personal flaws. That actually implies they were rational. They may turn out to be wrong, but they made a decision based on policy and recent history.
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"not rational about governance" and "are irrational" are vastly, vastly different things.
In addition, nothing in the essay I wrote even discusses Democrats and the notion I am uncritical of them is hogwash - in this very thread I've said twice that the Democrats have run awful candidates and have failed to win what should have been a layup election against a rapist and felon.
Try to be a discerning reader, please.
What reason can you articulate as to the reason we wouldn't have elections? One of the reasons that Harris and Democrats lost was the constant chirping about "saving our democracy". Only the most irrational folks out there actually think this is a thing.
So not a jury of his peers then. But a clearly biased judge driven by politics. The majority of Americans saw through this for what it was... she was clearly mentally unstable and driven by financial and political motives.
They didn't "knowingly vote for a rapist" as you've been repeating like a drone for months now bc people not blinded by partisan hate knew it was bs.
Again, this is why the left lost and will keep losing. Win on issues and with good candidates.
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Sorry you don't believe in the American judicial system. Some of us still follow the Constitution.
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And one more time on the issue of this NOT being a political election/decision for me.
Let conservative columnist, former National Review editor and Never Trumper Mona Charen once again explain what we are talking about:
But those of us who see a second Trump presidency as a hinge moment of history—a fateful departure from what made us a great nation—there is a great deal more to see here. To follow Trump’s behavior closely is to feel that this election is not like any other. This outcome is not just suboptimal (as is every election in which your preferred candidate loses) but unthinkable. With this vote, Americans are turning their backs on basic decency, the founding documents, and the social contract. This lying cretin was seen a few days ago pantomiming fellatio on a microphone. It’s not as if his policy chops somehow counterbalance his vulgarity, cruelty, and self-absorption. His campaign promises consist of ludicrous proposals to magically balance the budget and eliminate the income tax through tariffs, to round up and deport 11 million or more people, and to solve foreign conflicts through his supposed power of intimidation (even as he contradicts this by constantly abjuring war).
The voters have chosen to elevate (for a second time) a cartoon character to the highest office in the land. From that perch, he will close down the federal cases against himself; pardon the January 6th “hostages” or “political prisoners” or whatever he’s calling them these days; appoint a series of toadies, fantasists, and low-lives to head the Department of Defense, the Centers for Disease Control, the Department of Justice, and other agencies; and then set about firing most of the capable, responsible civil servants in the government to replace them with the likes of Steve Bannon, Steven Miller, Boris Epshteyn, and other loyal goblins.
Trump often derides the United States as a Third World country. Now he will start to transform us into one.
This is what it is about - and you changing the subject constantly to us "liberals" (which now apparently includes National Review columnists, lol) being whiners and crybabies without addressing any of the substantive points we are making - will not change that fact. The man is a cretin, a danger to society and a bad human being. And it's really not debatable. Electing such a person to the highest office in the land is bonkers and irresponsible and a terrible mistake - even if his worst instincts can be curbed.
Let conservative columnist, former National Review editor and Never Trumper Mona Charen once again explain what we are talking about:
But those of us who see a second Trump presidency as a hinge moment of history—a fateful departure from what made us a great nation—there is a great deal more to see here. To follow Trump’s behavior closely is to feel that this election is not like any other. This outcome is not just suboptimal (as is every election in which your preferred candidate loses) but unthinkable. With this vote, Americans are turning their backs on basic decency, the founding documents, and the social contract. This lying cretin was seen a few days ago pantomiming fellatio on a microphone. It’s not as if his policy chops somehow counterbalance his vulgarity, cruelty, and self-absorption. His campaign promises consist of ludicrous proposals to magically balance the budget and eliminate the income tax through tariffs, to round up and deport 11 million or more people, and to solve foreign conflicts through his supposed power of intimidation (even as he contradicts this by constantly abjuring war).
The voters have chosen to elevate (for a second time) a cartoon character to the highest office in the land. From that perch, he will close down the federal cases against himself; pardon the January 6th “hostages” or “political prisoners” or whatever he’s calling them these days; appoint a series of toadies, fantasists, and low-lives to head the Department of Defense, the Centers for Disease Control, the Department of Justice, and other agencies; and then set about firing most of the capable, responsible civil servants in the government to replace them with the likes of Steve Bannon, Steven Miller, Boris Epshteyn, and other loyal goblins.
Trump often derides the United States as a Third World country. Now he will start to transform us into one.
This is what it is about - and you changing the subject constantly to us "liberals" (which now apparently includes National Review columnists, lol) being whiners and crybabies without addressing any of the substantive points we are making - will not change that fact. The man is a cretin, a danger to society and a bad human being. And it's really not debatable. Electing such a person to the highest office in the land is bonkers and irresponsible and a terrible mistake - even if his worst instincts can be curbed.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
I agree with all of this, except that they were rational.
His policies are so unachievable (introducing tariffs and then expecting to reduce inflation for instance) that they got conned by the greatest conman of our time. He told them what they want to hear, not reality. Believing something that is simply not true is irrational.
Get over yourself. Read all of my post. I thought you were done, but you can't help yourself. Your candidate lost, as did mine. The difference is that I don't say everyone not voting for my candidate is irrational.
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