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My official take on Tuesday's results . . .

So the majority of American voters are irrational?

To be clear, my candidate only got 0.4% of the vote. That probably makes me irrational, too.

You, and many others here, have a superiority complex. I generally enjoy your posts, but once in awhile you jump the shark. You, and many others, are basically all or nothing when it comes to how you evaluate things. Anyone critical of a Democrat must automatically be a MAGA extremist. You fail to recognize any other possibility.

A severely flawed narcissist got elected twice. He didn't accomplish that because of a rabid base. He did that because of the state of the country each time, and because of the choices of Democrats in the elections. He lost to Biden because he's an asshole. Ultimately, minority voters, and other specific groups, decided Trump's policies outweighed his personal flaws. That actually implies they were rational. They may turn out to be wrong, but they made a decision based on policy and recent history.
It seems our institutions of higher learning are actually facilitating irrational thinking. Wow…never saw that coming. :rolleyes:

What Greg saw in 2013 were students justifying the suppression of speech and the punishment of dissent using the exact distortions that Greg had learned to free himself from. Students were saying that an unorthodox speaker on campus would cause severe harm to vulnerable students (catastrophizing); they were using their emotions as proof that a text should be removed from a syllabus (emotional reasoning). Greg hypothesized that if colleges supported the use of these cognitive distortions, rather than teaching students skills of critical thinking (which is basically what CBT is), then this could cause students to become depressed. Greg feared that colleges were performing reverse CBT.

I thought the idea was brilliant because I had just begun to see these new ways of thinking among some students at NYU. I volunteered to help Greg write it up, and in August 2015 our essay appeared in The Atlantic with the title: The Coddling of the American Mind.

In September 2020, Zach Goldberg, who was then a graduate student at Georgia State University, discovered something interesting in a dataset made public by Pew Research. Pew surveyed about 12,000 people in March 2020, during the first month of the Covid shutdowns. The survey included this item: “Has a doctor or other healthcare provider EVER told you that you have a mental health condition?” Goldberg graphed the percentage of respondents who said “yes” to that item as a function of their self-placement on the liberal-conservative 5-point scale and found that white liberals were much more likely to say yes than white moderates and conservatives. (His analyses for non-white groups generally found small or inconsistent relationships with politics.)

I wrote to Goldberg and asked him to redo it for men and women separately, and for young vs. old separately. He did, and he found that the relationship to politics was much stronger for young (white) women. You can see Goldberg’s graph here, but I find it hard to interpret a three-way interaction using bar charts, so I downloaded the Pew dataset and created line graphs, which make it easier to interpret.

Here’s the same data, showing three main effects: gender (women higher), age (youngest groups higher), and politics (liberals higher). The graphs also show three two-way interactions (young women higher, liberal women higher, young liberals higher). And there’s an important three-way interaction: it is the young liberal women who are highest. They are so high that a majority of them said yes, they had been told that they have a mental health condition.


 
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I agree with all of this, except that they were rational.

His policies are so unachievable (introducing tariffs and then expecting to reduce inflation for instance) that they got conned by the greatest conman of our time. He told them what they want to hear, not reality. Believing something that is simply not true is irrational.
History provides a record of each candidate. People in the non-traditional voting blocs voted based on what they experienced in the last 8 years.
 
Get over yourself. Read all of my post. I thought you were done, but you can't help yourself. Your candidate lost, as did mine. The difference is that I don't say everyone not voting for my candidate is irrational.
LOL.

You are tilting at a windmill, because I absolutely did not say "everyone not voting for my candidate is irrational."

If you want to pretend I did and you corrected me, go ahead and take your imaginary "win."
 
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History provides a record of each candidate. People in the non-traditional voting blocs voted based on what they experienced in the last 8 years.
Violent agreement. I’m just saying that they bought Trump’s bullshit about how he will help them. 2 years from now we are going to hear an awfully loud chorus from these same folks that they haven’t seen the promised benefits. And four years from now they will most likely either swing the other way or be so jilted they sit out the election.
 
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Sorry you don't believe in the American judicial system. Some of us still follow the Constitution.
Lol yeah when it's convenient for you. Believing in the judicial system doesn't mean blind acceptance of every outcome, especially in a civil matter from 30 years prior with huge political ramifications.
Hell our system allows appeals for actual criminal cases where evidence is presented and there's actual burden of proof... bc juries and judges get things wrong. The left is against execution largely for this reason.
But people with common sense can't question the story of a mentally ill person from 30 years ago or we don't support the constitution?
This again is why you keep losing. The narcissistic gaslighting just isn't going to fly with people. You're not smarter or better than everyone else.
 
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LOL.

You are tilting at a windmill, because I absolutely did not say "everyone not voting for my candidate is irrational."

If you want to pretend I did and you corrected me, go ahead and take your imaginary "win."
It’s pretty much EXACTLY what you claimed.

“…a majority of American voters cannot think rationally…” The majority here being people who voted for Trump Tuesday, considering that 100% of their votes made up a (small) majority of votes cast.

Self awareness obviously isn’t a thing with you.
 
Bernie said it best:

It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them.
Biden was the only major Dem for a while who was convincingly pro-labor.

How did it happen that the Dems lost labor?

I can think of a number of tipping points but two stand out:

1. Reagan marked the demise of unions, the financialization of the American economy, and the rise of a powerful speculative class.

From a nation with a business party (Rs) and a labor party (Ds) we have become a nation of 2 business parties. Different businesses, maybe, but businesses, not labor.

From a nation with a party representing elites and a party representing the common man, we have become a nation of 2 parties representing the elites. Different elites, maybe, but elites, not the common man.

2. Citizens United and subsequent decisions gave unbridled power to money to direct and decide elections.

Trump clearly doesn't represent labor or the common man. BUT with no party caring about them, he was able to earn their support by appealing to their grievances. Grievances he probably doesn't actually care about and may not address when in office, but at least he acknowledged them.
 
Biden was the only major Dem for a while who was convincingly pro-labor.

How did it happen that the Dems lost labor?

I can think of a number of tipping points but two stand out:

1. Reagan marked the demise of unions, the financialization of the American economy, and the rise of a powerful speculative class.

From a nation with a business party (Rs) and a labor party (Ds) we have become a nation of 2 business parties. Different businesses, maybe, but businesses, not labor.

From a nation with a party representing elites and a party representing the common man, we have become a nation of 2 parties representing the elites. Different elites, maybe, but elites, not the common man.

2. Citizens United and subsequent decisions gave unbridled power to money to direct and decide elections.

Trump clearly doesn't represent labor or the common man. BUT with no party caring about them, he was able to earn their support by appealing to their grievances. Grievances he probably doesn't actually care about and may not address when in office, but at least he acknowledged them.
Bottom line was Trump embraced labor for the internal combustion engine..... period And end of story. Democrats want to get rid of anything that is gasoline powered... And America knows climate change is a huge hoax
 
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I wish I had a dollar for every time a presidential candidate has proclaimed “On day one, I will (blah, blah, blah…)”

And then a dollar for every time they never did what they said they were going to do.

$$$
 
Ill bet he follows thru on the closing the border stuff. Catch and release will be over and remain in Mexico will be the policy immediately.
 
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Ill bet he follows thru on the closing the border stuff. Catch and release will be over and remain in Mexico will be the policy immediately.
I can almost guarantee there will be no local catch and deport. That is all we would be doing and Iowa isn't a heavy Hispanic population. I run into undocumented immigrants on a weekly basis. I write them a ticket or arrest them, and they go about their day like anyone else. I don't see that changing.
 
Ill bet he follows thru on the closing the border stuff. Catch and release will be over and remain in Mexico will be the policy immediately.

The problem has existed since Reagan but Trump will have it fixed soon. Right after he lowers grocery prices for everyone.
 
I can almost guarantee there will be no local catch and deport. That is all we would be doing and Iowa isn't a heavy Hispanic population. I run into undocumented immigrants on a weekly basis. I write them a ticket or arrest them, and they go about their day like anyone else. I don't see that changing.
I wouldn't be too confident. Hell, Kimmie already sends state troopers to the border to stand around doing - uh, something. There is nowhere near enough federal law enforcement to take on a task of the magnitude Stephen Miler and Trump want to. There will be some attempt to get local law enforcement involved. That is what they've proposed:

The former president has said that in order to deport over 11 million undocumented people living in the U.S., he’d invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, deploy troops to the border using the Insurrection Act and mobilize local police.



 
The absolutely most amazing and amusing thing about this thread is it is only the Democrats and liberals who believe any of Trump's campaign promises.

The so-called conservatives and MAGA voters in it either didn't hear, don't know about or don't believe he will do anything he has explicitly said he's going to do.

Going to be hilarious watching them express surprise when he actually tries to follow through on what they voted for 😂
 
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The absolutely most amazing and amusing thing about this thread is it is only the Democrats and liberals who believe any of Trump's campaign promises.

The so-called conservatives and MAGA voters in it either didn't hear, don't know about or don't believe he will do anything he has explicitly said he's going to do.

Going to be hilarious watching them express surprise when he actually tries to follow through on what they voted for 😂
The number one thing he could do to throw water in faces of his voters in Iowa is to do away with farm subsidies.
 
The number one thing he could do to throw water in faces of his voters in Iowa is to do away with farm subsidies.
What?! That's preposterous. Who in their right mind would ever, ever think Trump would do something like that to the thousands of Iowa farmers that happily voted for him!? Surely that news has not been written down somewhere, right?


 
What?! That's preposterous. Who in their right mind would ever, ever think Trump would do something like that to the thousands of Iowa farmers that happily voted for him!? Surely that news has not been written down somewhere, right?


Budget cutting czar Elon has to start somewhere. Might as well be there.
 
Americans are turning their backs on basic decency, the founding documents...

This person honestly thinks these are new developments?
Biden was the only major Dem for a while who was convincingly pro-labor.

How did it happen that the Dems lost labor?

I can think of a number of tipping points but two stand out:

1. Reagan marked the demise of unions, the financialization of the American economy, and the rise of a powerful speculative class.

From a nation with a business party (Rs) and a labor party (Ds) we have become a nation of 2 business parties. Different businesses, maybe, but businesses, not labor.

From a nation with a party representing elites and a party representing the common man, we have become a nation of 2 parties representing the elites. Different elites, maybe, but elites, not the common man.

2. Citizens United and subsequent decisions gave unbridled power to money to direct and decide elections.

Trump clearly doesn't represent labor or the common man. BUT with no party caring about them, he was able to earn their support by appealing to their grievances. Grievances he probably doesn't actually care about and may not address when in office, but at least he acknowledged them.
Exactly. The two party system is a circus to keep the people occupied, while the country moves inevitably in the same direction regardless of which "side" is in power. Right wing, left wing, the bird flies on.
 
This will likely be my last politics-related post for awhile as it is now abundantly clear a majority of American voters cannot think rationally about governance.

So I'll stick to sports, booze, fishing and other topics that interest me for the time being.

But in case you are wondering what my take is on what just happened, feel free to read it here:

Your first sentence shows how delusional you are on this topic.
 
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Your first sentence shows how delusional you are on this topic.
How is that? I have not started a single politics post since this one - just like I said.

I have posted on Herbstreit's dog, a weird Davenport murder and an amazing soccer shot. I don't think any of those are political. 🤷‍♂️

By the way, don't you also find it ironic that "libs" are the only ones that believe Trump's campaign promises? Kinda nuts, no!?
 
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I can almost guarantee there will be no local catch and deport. That is all we would be doing and Iowa isn't a heavy Hispanic population. I run into undocumented immigrants on a weekly basis. I write them a ticket or arrest them, and they go about their day like anyone else. I don't see that changing.
And it probably shouldn't for traffic stops. But above and beyond that it should change. The message should be we're not going door to door and trying to find illegals... but if you break the law you're serving your punishment then leaving immediately.
 
The problem has existed since Reagan but Trump will have it fixed soon. Right after he lowers grocery prices for everyone.
Well I mean its due to price gouging right? Wont he just be able to tell the retailers to forget about needing a profit and do the work as a public service? I mean, food is a need right and its unfair that people profit off of stuff people need. Maybe we need government control over the retail sector. Hell, maybe even the means of production since the business owners not only exploit consumers but workers. Why shouldn't those that make the products day in and day out be the ones that benefit from it not some 'sit in the office' owner dude.
 
And it probably shouldn't for traffic stops. But above and beyond that it should change. The message should be we're not going door to door and trying to find illegals... but if you break the law you're serving your punishment then leaving immediately.
I appreciate your honesty.

You might clue your fellow right-leaning posters that they might want to actually pay attention to what Trump says he's going to do so they stop telling us we are insane for suggesting he may.
 
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Well I mean its due to price gouging right? Wont he just be able to tell the retailers to forget about needing a profit and do the work as a public service? I mean, food is a need right and its unfair that people profit off of stuff people need. Maybe we need government control over the retail sector. Hell, maybe even the means of production since the business owners not only exploit consumers but workers. Why shouldn't those that make the products day in and day out be the ones that benefit from it not some 'sit in the office' owner dude.

What point are you arguing? The need/justification for prices to stay high? Seems like you've started constructing a strawman.

I didn't prescribe a solution. Trump is the one who supposedly has the solution.
 
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America is not special. Maybe was once. Hasn't been for some time.

And that's OK.

The sooner people come to terms with it, the better.
I’d love to have you explain that to my (formerly Cuban, now American) data manager who endured 8 years of government torment for the temerity of submitting a refugee request to the US consulate.
Have you spent your whole life in Iowa? You seem to lack perspective.
 
How is that? I have not started a single politics post since this one - just like I said.

You haven't started a thread but you have made numerous posts, thus your claim in the OP of "This will likely be my last politics-related post for awhile" has proven to be false.

Of course no one is surprised by this. You clearly lack self control.
 
You haven't started a thread but you have made numerous posts, thus your claim in the OP of "This will likely be my last politics-related post for awhile" has proven to be false.

Of course no one is surprised by this. You clearly lack self control.
Post = I start a thread.
Reply = I reply to a thread.

That's what I meant. I'm not going to initiate politics threads via posting because it's pointless. I shall try to continue and educate the few that aren't total morons via replies however.

So enjoy 😘
 
Apparently trotting out Liz Cheney on the campaign trail was a losing strategy. Who knew? People want a candidate that will address the issues that they are facing - it was always about policy - the DNC failed spectacularly at this. "Not-Trump" was never a winning message.

Bernie said it best:

The irony is that Trump offers little more than lip service to working-class Americans, paying them attention only when it’s politically convenient. If that’s all it takes to win their favor, maybe Democrats should consider adopting the same empty promises about protecting the working class.
 
, maybe Democrats should consider adopting the same empty promises about protecting the working class.
I would argue that is what they have done, only they suck at messaging compared to the GOP.

I'm the first to admit the corporate/elite wing of the Democrats that has been running things has totally fumbled and ignored the blue collar/working class cohort to their own detriment.

I think we might see a shift back toward the Bernie Sanders wing.

Ironically, the GOP absurdly and innaccurately painting the technocrat/corporatists as "Marxists" and "Socialists" may end up having the long-term impact of shifting the Democrats back to the left and closer to being Social Democrats.
 
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I would argue that is what they have done, only they suck at messaging compared to the GOP.

I'm the first to admit the corporate/elite wing of the Democrats that has been running things has totally fumbled and ignored the blue collar/working class cohort to their own detriment.

I think we might see a shift back toward the Bernie Sanders wing.

Ironically, the GOP absurdly and innaccurately painting the technocrat/corporatists as "Marxists" and "Socialists" may end up having the long-term impact of shifting the Democrats back to the left and closer to being Social Democrats.
Hey dipshit. You know nothing about the working class either does Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders ideology is what cost the Democrats the presidency. Think more like Milton Friedman and people will be better off in life.
 
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