well they obviously didn’t take away our past POY guys and NBA scouts don’t just count points in a box score.
My prediction - Kris is back next year.
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And how far did they go in the tournament? Iowa has not had the guard play to advance. Luka was also a post who could go out to 25ft which makes it more of a challenge. There are not a lot of bigs who can do that. If Rebraca could have extended his range out to 18-20 feet, that would have made a huge difference for Iowa. They still wouldn't have gone very far due to their guards.
what does thart have to do with Kris getting worse if he were to come back for another year? that’s what the discussion was about you saying he would hurt is draft status if he came back.
I didn't say he would hurt his draft status. I said he will be better in the NBA than college.
Kris largely has to create his own shot at Iowa. On an NBA team he will not. Whether he can make threes and become a better defender will determine if he sticks in the NBA. Kris getting drafted is a foregone conclusion and coming back to Iowa doesn't seem like it will help him much.
If you recall, Kris worked out with NBA players leading up to last year's draft and played very well by all accounts. Well enough that he almost went to the draft. NBA scouts have seen him already. They aren't just looking at box scores and they don't care if his college team lost a first round NCAA game.
If you recall, Kris worked out with NBA players leading up to last year's draft and played very well by all accounts. Well enough that he almost went to the draft. NBA scouts have seen him already. They aren't just looking at box scores and they don't care if his college team lost a first round NCAA game.
I don't know about the financial side of it but I know mentally he will be better off moving to the next phase of his life. There's just too much risk to come back another year. I felt he should have left last year with his brother but I do understand why he came back, to be a first rounder. If he can't get that after this year, then he just needs to take what he can get and fight for a position on a team. Or prove himself in the G league.
that’s your opinion which is fine and possibly the right choice but my questions are: why will he be mentally better off and what is the risk? if he can be guaranteed to be a first round draft choice then by all means take the money, it’s time. if not then there is certainly an upside to coming back getting stronger, which he will need defensively in the NBA, and working on going to his right with his off hand. in either case I’m sure Kris will make the right decision for himself and his family.
In my opinion, there is no way Kris comes back. In today’s NBA, his age is already working against him. NBA GM’s draft on potential as much as talent. Kris has talent. There’s no doubt he needs to improve in different areas for the NBA, but what player doesn’t. They look at his potential and it looks bright. The NBA has very talented player development people. Kris is a good player and has not even come close to his ceiling. I hope he makes the best decision for him and wish him the best in his future. Kris will be just fine and I will support him wherever he plays.
He's already tried what you're talking about. That was this year. Last year he decided to pass up being drafted in the second round to come back one more year and then go to the NBA. That's been his mental state since last year. To come back one more year would probably be considered a failure in his mind and could greatly impact his growth. If he were to come back next year and only improve a little or stay the same, then teams could conclude he's reached his limit and he could drop even more in the draft. The NBA drafts on skill and potential, so if they believe his potential is low, he'll be in trouble.
here is the problem. NBA scouts already know what he is. Another year in college isn't going to swing their opinion or improve his stock. They have already scouted what he is and what he could be. They dont think much of college development. He can work on those things full time as a pro under their watch.
He will go to the NBA and he should.
His "body of work" will probably keep him late 1st or 2nd round.
As for working on his right hand..
Kenyon tried to get the boys ambidextrous in their youth...keegan did it so well that he became a righthander but Kris did not so that ship has sailed probably.
Kris is not magically going to get a strong right hand in a few months...too bad as his one way offensive game limited him.
His "body of work" will probably keep him late 1st or 2nd round.
As for working on his right hand..
Kenyon tried to get the boys ambidextrous in their youth...keegan did it so well that he became a righthander but Kris did not so that ship has sailed probably.
Kris is not magically going to get a strong right hand in a few months...too bad as his one way offensive game limited him.
Another year in college does nothing for Kris except make him a year older, if he does well in the draft combine that will help him more than staying another year.
My guess is Keegan was always right handed and Kris probably should have been as well but complications during early development could have impacted that.
Just because he wasn’t the most vocal didn’t mean he wasn’t a leader. He plays with same demeanor as his brother who no one questioned last year. Cool, calm and collected. Just because he doesn’t wear his emotion on his sleeve like a player like Garza doesn’t make him any less of a team leader.
Which going to the nba that won’t be his role anyways where he will most likely come off the bench depending on where he goes. Very very few rookies are expected to come in and be the main guy or 2. Look at his brother he’s like the 4-5th option on the kings and he was the 4th pick. Being a “leader” won’t have any effect on his draft position and you are naive if you think he ends up in Europe. Let alone the fact every nba scour and gm would say he’s foolish to return to school. His size and abilities fit into exactly what nba teams are looking for today and like every young player he will improve. But next year he will be getting paid while he does it.
Personally, I hope he moves on ...(and he will)... so we can begin the more "charismatic" Sandfort era.
Payton will be our go-to stud next year, for better or for worse.
We also need TP to not portal out on us and become the other consistent "charismatic" scoring leader ...every great team needs at least two.
On top of that, Fran desperately needs to go out and get a guy like BJ Mack or some front court stud similar to Reggie Evans.
Outside of the above, if Ulis turns the page and finally becomes a Val Barnes type of PG and Dix takes the next step to become a Adam Haluska type player for us ...then we got something cook'in!!
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Payton will be our go-to stud next year, for better or for worse.
We also need TP to not portal out on us and become the other consistent "charismatic" scoring leader ...every great team needs at least two.
On top of that, Fran desperately needs to go out and get a guy like BJ Mack or some front court stud similar to Reggie Evans.
Outside of the above, if Ulis turns the page and finally becomes a Val Barnes type of PG and Dix takes the next step to become a Adam Haluska type player for us ...then we got something cook'in!!
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There was a reason why Keegan was considered a lottery pick. Keegan would go right at someone and would impose his will on opponents. Kris was not that kind of player, and his stock would be much higher if he had. I don't back down from my point that he would benefit from a year of being the leader of the team.
Adam Haluska! If anyone turns into AH this next season we would be in for a treat. Haluska is top 15 program player. That would be an astronomical jump for Ulis.
Top 15 all time? That might be stretching it ...could see Top 25 perhaps.
Someone should start a thread on that 😉
Well, if you want someone who knows the state, there's DeVries, Chris Jans, Tobias Anderson. Wouldn't limit myself to that criteria. The name of the game is getting players. Get someone not afraid to use the partal.
In all fainess I can only go go back to the late 70's. I remember that I always prerented to be Vince Brookins when playing in the driveway
I believe Kenyon has said the both boys were lefties and he pushed them to work on their off hand early on...keegan ended up going eighty with a strong left but Kris stuck with left.
No one is saying he is Keegan but easier said then done to play like him. Again He was the leader this year and main threat every game. And you literally no nothing of the nba draft if you honestly think him staying another year would help his draft status. Draft is all about potential and striking why the iron is hot. Fact is at his age still considered a 1st rd pick is pretty astonishing. Very few 22 yr olds are 1st rd picks. Why guys leave early all the time like Weiskamp who was never the leader but I’m sure you think he should’ve stayed another year…..
You were the one to make the connection between Kris and Keegan, also being the highest scorer doesn't make him the leader. I would say Rebracca and Connor were the leaders.
As for draft status we will remain locked in disagreement...
I do wish Kris the best and hope he proves me wrong and you right. Only time will tell if he is more G league/Europe or multi year full roster guy.
I never thought Weiskamp was going to be a 1st round draft pick. I think Kris could but don't see it happening unless he returns for another year. The last guy that left too early in my opinion was Cook. I also think he would have made more going the European route.
Maybe a little but hes never going to be anything besides a 3 and D guy.
Hes never going to play a role in the nba that resembles his role at Iowa.
Any improvements he makes in college next year are likely canceled out by his age.
How many 3 and D guys do you think get drafted based on the strength of their off hand?
Its just not a big deal for that role.
If anything your argument should be improving 3pt percentage.
I think you and I are about the same age. My earliest recollection was hearing Bruce King’s name on the news, but it was Ronnie Lester/Lute Olson era I started following them. Loved Brookins!
I do however know legendary Hawkeye names before that time: Don Nelson, Fred Brown, Sam Williams, John Johnson, Sharm Scheuerman, Charles Darling, etc.
Exactly, players are judged on a sliding scale in college relative to their age.
He can do those thing next year but at an accelerated pace being on a professional team all without taking the risk of falling lower or serious injury.
Kris would have next to nothing to gain by coming back.
You do realize that the majority of nba players are not leaders right? They're role players.
Maybe watch an NBA game some time and see how many role players are being looked to for leadership.
No I get it but we are talking 1st round pick or being a 2nd and going G league. Role players aren't what you spend a 1st round pick on. Grab those guys as FA
He will have way more time to work on his game at the next level. That will be the only thing he will have to do. No classes or anything like that to get in his way.
Good 3 and D players are a necessity for the way most teams want to play on both ends. People underestimate the value of defensive versatility.
The question is how good is Kris going to be in that role.
The thing I think could hurt Kris stock is his 3pt%.
you are making a few assumptions: one about his mental state and his feeling coming back somehow would be a failure and that either he has nothing to improve upon or that he just wouldn’t improve and since he would not improve he would drop in the daft. if he is a second round pick this year where would he drop to? I have already said if he’s a first round pick then of course take the money. you are saying since he most likely will not improve he should leave as a second round pick. he should do what he feels is best for him.
drafted and not playing isn’t the best way to improve. practice time in the NBA becomes limited once the season starts.
hard to improve sitting on the bench and not playing. practice time is limited once the season starts.
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