Who is it looking like our opponent will be? I realize we won't know for sure until Sunday, but is there 1 specific team that we can most likely bank on seeing? Thanks in advance.
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I'm hoping for Mizzu. 125,141,149,174,184,197. These are all interesting matches and all potentially strong NCAA seed matches. 125 isn't a toss up by any stretch, but it will be interesting to see if Gilman can penetrate his defense multiple times. Team score won't be close but the matches will be I'm guessing.
It's really hard to say. NCState still has to wrestle VTech and Missouri. Lehigh could benefit from this if they wrestle PSU close. If NCState wins out, OkState would be the #2 team. If NCState loses to VTech, but beats Missouri, either NCState, Lehigh or possibly VTech(if they beat NCState soundly) could be #2. If NCState beats VTech but loses to Missouri, Missouri would be #2.
Honestly, way too much can happen this week to really lock down who it will be!
Honestly, way too much can happen this week to really lock down who it will be!
It has been posted somewhere (my laziness prevents looking it up) that the Pokes would be switched out if they land in the 2 hole. Is this fact or speculation?
http://www.nwcaonline.com/nwcawebsi...duals-championship-series-format.pdf?sfvrsn=0
According to that they will try to keep it regional and try not to match up teams that have previously met. The whole thing is ridiculous and vague. Is it for a championship? Do the teams that wrestle in the top matchup automatically finish 1-2? If it is for a "title" then previous matchups and proximity should not influence anything!
If both Iowa and PSU remain unbeaten through this dual championship single match (and I expect they will) there can be a national dual champion in title alone. Wrestling has prided itself on "its decided on the mat" for far too long to simply start the era of proclaimed champions. This idea could work if they simply allowed for an exception in the case of the top two both being from the same conference. This will happen again with the pendulum swinging so strongly toward the BIG in wrestle dominance.
As has been explained before, you should look at this kind of like the old "bowls" - pre-BCS. I like it - will probably give us some very interesting duals.
Are we really getting hung up on the title of National Dual Champion??? It's "mythical" - the real NCAA champ is decided in March. Minnesota has claimed this titles many times over the years and it seems nobody really cared much besides the Gophers.
Are we really getting hung up on the title of National Dual Champion??? It's "mythical" - the real NCAA champ is decided in March. Minnesota has claimed this titles many times over the years and it seems nobody really cared much besides the Gophers.
Thanks for the input, peeps. Good stuff. I was just hoping to avoid seeing Okie St again. Would like to see somebody fresh.
Of these 3, from hardest to easiest, IMO.
Missouri: http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/34/iowa/43/missouri
Virginia Tech: http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/34/iowa/74/virginia-tech
North Carolina State: http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/34/iowa/47/north-carolina-state
Missouri: http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/34/iowa/43/missouri
Virginia Tech: http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/34/iowa/74/virginia-tech
North Carolina State: http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/34/iowa/47/north-carolina-state
Not every event has to have a goal attached to it. As a fan of wrestling, I will look forward to a bunch of great duals - PSU-OKState, Iowa-Missouri, etc., etc. - on a single weekend. Entertaining for both the team results and the individual matchups.
Don,
Nice observation. Yes, I would expect the Coaches to vote Iowa #1 if they won their dual while PSU lost to OkState. However if it somehow ends up NCState vs. PSU(both of them would be undefeated) I would expect the winner of that dual to be #1.
Nice observation. Yes, I would expect the Coaches to vote Iowa #1 if they won their dual while PSU lost to OkState. However if it somehow ends up NCState vs. PSU(both of them would be undefeated) I would expect the winner of that dual to be #1.
Yep.
I am hoping everybody gets a dual that involves a new opponent and intrigues the fan bases.
Hope you guys get missouri as you seem to wish and I am happy with Okie st or NCSt
I don't know and that's part of it. This thing is super vague. For non big 10 teams it makes little sense. Finding out where you travel to the weekend before is crazy. If they are billing it as a dual championship series it seems that some title is evolved, but how is it acquired? As an ok state guy I see no reason to participate. Home dual on Friday to then travel for a tough dual on Sunday while prepping for conference championships. Obviously the title is meaningless, but isn't that the point of the whole thing? If OSU is against PSU and can't claim the title by winning what's the use? If iowa wins and can't claim the title going undefeated then what's the point. It's pretty easy on big 10 teams, knowing where they are wrestling and not having to travel. It would provide some interesting match ups, but the timing is awful. If OSU goes to PSU they would end up facing all of the other top 5, plus 2 matchups with number 7. Plus with it not really meaning much and with multiple banged up guys I doubt OSU sends their starting lineup and I would imagine others would do the same.
Since this is the coaches thing I would be surprised if somebody who agreed to participate would put less than their best effort on stage.
As far as the timing. It is 2 weeks prior to conference/qualification tournaments, if not this dual probably a different dual.
Both Crutchmer and Smith are banged up, if they still are that weekend I doubt they go.
I would like to see a dual that gives the best match ups to avoid unexpected losses at nationals. A match that you maybe lose the first time you meet up, but learn while you are doing it. Then maybe it doesn't happen at Nationals. I don't want to see the Hawks lose any matches, just maybe pick something up to help them later.
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I think a Virginia Tech dual would be a pretty good dual, both for seeding, and great matchups. They match up pretty well with us, and it would be a tough dual to win, probably coming down to bonus points.
125 #2 Gilman vs #3 Dance
133 #3 Clark vs Gustafson
141 Grothus vs #8 Chisko
149 #2 Sorensen vs Mastriani
157 #16 Cooper vs #6 Brascetta
165 Rhoads vs #13 McFadden
174 #8 Meyer vs #5 Epperly
184 #11 Brooks vs #5 Zavatsky
197 #5 Burak vs #12 Haught
285 #7 Stoll vs #3 Walz
125 #2 Gilman vs #3 Dance
133 #3 Clark vs Gustafson
141 Grothus vs #8 Chisko
149 #2 Sorensen vs Mastriani
157 #16 Cooper vs #6 Brascetta
165 Rhoads vs #13 McFadden
174 #8 Meyer vs #5 Epperly
184 #11 Brooks vs #5 Zavatsky
197 #5 Burak vs #12 Haught
285 #7 Stoll vs #3 Walz
The other side of that coin would be piss pounding them for the second time this season, as the work on peaking for nationals! Lmfao!
I'm with you...in my opinion on paper this looks like it would be the most difficult team to face in the duals. They just seem to match up with us perfectly, and like you, I think we would definitely needs maximum bonus points in our mismatches. Would love to see this one...think it would show us where we stand after facing off mostly against much easier competition this year...
For those wondering, whoever you guys are wrestling Monday night, I'll be there. Booked my plane tickets a couple of days ago!
Have you made it to a meet in Carver before, Pirate? I thought I remembered you saying you hadn't, some time ago. If this is your first one, I hope you have a great first visit!
Unfortunately, due to this brilliant piece of scheduling on a Monday night, attendance isn't likely to be very good. If it's a good match-up and if it were held on a weekend, it would be close to a sellout. You need to see a meet in a packed Carver some time.
Unfortunately, due to this brilliant piece of scheduling on a Monday night, attendance isn't likely to be very good. If it's a good match-up and if it were held on a weekend, it would be close to a sellout. You need to see a meet in a packed Carver some time.
I hope this is the matchup. Great way to improve some seeds. 141, 157, 174, 184, 285. And great test at 125 and 197.
"Unfortunately, due to this brilliant piece of scheduling on a Monday night, attendance isn't likely to be very good. If it's a good match-up and if it were held on a weekend, it would be close to a sellout."
Sometimes you dont have a choice in the scheduling-- Carver was booked Sunday-plain and simple-- is it ideal, no but you cant blame anyone from U of I. The admin supports wrestling --no question they want an event as full as possible.
We will be wrestling Mizz or NC State in my opinion and Im guessing there will be 9K people there or close to it.. not bad at all.
Sometimes you dont have a choice in the scheduling-- Carver was booked Sunday-plain and simple-- is it ideal, no but you cant blame anyone from U of I. The admin supports wrestling --no question they want an event as full as possible.
We will be wrestling Mizz or NC State in my opinion and Im guessing there will be 9K people there or close to it.. not bad at all.
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If by "some time" ago, you mean four years ago, that was true. My first meet at Carver was when your streak was snapped against Oklahoma State in 2011-2012.
Heck, took me two days to get home from Iowa City for National Duals last year, thanks to my wakeup call never coming in at my hotel, and missing my flight as a result.
wasdt, I root for everybody, as long as they have a wrestling program.
I'm not blaming the U of I. I understand that Carver's availability is limited. That said, I do think a Sunday night would draw a better crowd than a Monday night, and I'm not aware that Carver is booked Sunday night. I'm more disappointed with the National Duals, which is becoming more of a joke each year. It seems like they're throwing this thing together as they go along.
If it makes you feel better the Big 10 teams will be traveling next year. I am looking forward to watching the Hawks one more time against a good opponent.
I couldn't agree more. The current format is the brainchild of Cael Sanderson. That should tell you all you need to know.
Sunday would have been much better, but we have a mens basketball game.
Wonder if it could be VT still. There would be some great matchups there.
They would actually be favored (On Paper) at 141,157, 165, 174,184 and HWT
125 is no gimme
and not slouches at 133, 149 or 197.
I like our chances of winning 3 maybe more matches of the 141,157, 165, 174,184 or HWT weights. Throw in the history of VT with Iowa and Brands and this would be a hell of a dual that may never happen any other way in Carver.
They would actually be favored (On Paper) at 141,157, 165, 174,184 and HWT
125 is no gimme
and not slouches at 133, 149 or 197.
I like our chances of winning 3 maybe more matches of the 141,157, 165, 174,184 or HWT weights. Throw in the history of VT with Iowa and Brands and this would be a hell of a dual that may never happen any other way in Carver.
It does feel better if the big 10 schools are traveling, but once again that's part of the problem. I feel like nobody knows what's going on.
I doubt this format is the brainchild of Sanderson, who (for better or worse) has shown repeatedly that he doesn't much care about a National Duals championship. However, it may be the only format that Sanderson would agree to participate in.
I look at it as an event that creates a number of good and interesting dual meets that otherwise would not occur. But for sure there is no "championship" whatsoever.
Cael needs to buy a horse, go live up in the mountains and quit bothering folks with bad ideas like this. Should have known this was coming from the man who thought a curtain too block walk up sales from the opposing team was a good idea.
Once again Cael is out for himself, no wonder only 1 big team could advance. Convinient Iowa wasnt on his schedule this year nor could they meet up with his team during this event with this godawful format.
Once again Cael is out for himself, no wonder only 1 big team could advance. Convinient Iowa wasnt on his schedule this year nor could they meet up with his team during this event with this godawful format.
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