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National radio is ripping Iowa

That's what happens when you get worked in the 2nd round as a 2 seed. Sucks to suck.

Make the tourney enough times, shit happens. You're better off just missing it.
Yeah, totally embarrassing to go out in the 2nd round as a 2 seed. What a bunch of losers.
 
I don’t think Iowa is a fraud. But we wont advance until we get more athletic
The difference in athleticism is night and day, compounded by the fact that we just don’t defend , spells a formula that will need a lot of luck to get to the 2nd week of the tournament.

As a 2 seed, this team was a fraud. 2 seeds shouldn't get manhandled in the 2nd F'ing round. And yeah, Oregon was underseeded. But still.
 
It is on us for expecting more because we all know what Fran is at this point. No idea why you try to run and gun with a team whos tallest player is 6'6? Why in the world would you turn it into a shootout?

I have said for years and will continue to say that Fran is a program resuscitator- breaths new life into dying programs and gets them off the mat. He is not good enough to get them beyond where we are at. It is just a fact. We seem to be content as a fanbase though so I guess it is what it is.

If he is going to stay we really need to start coupling players with skill with players that are athletes. You saw a lot of skill guys today that got out athleted.
When our best defensive play involves watching a player zip by you and then you swat his arm, Fran really had no other options. KM is the only starter that remotely plays defense at any kind of level. Maybe Luka, but even he is a little slow of foot...we need to start recruiting pure athletes and but also recruit sharp shooters, but not like your Brady Ellingston’s (sp?) of the recruiting world...
 
I have no idea why Fran wants to run and gun period..not just this game..I mean ever. He hasn't recruited that type of team since he has been at Iowa. This team would have benefited from a different style IMO. Feel bad for the players to go out that way in a very tough year.
 
Fran is not a very good coach. He would need a powerhouse roster just be make a run.

this team should have walked the ball up the court and feed Garza 24/7. This is not a run and gun roster when facing real competition.
Yeah, there was a stretch in the 12 to 8 minute mark where we just panicked and started launching shots and Garza probably went a good 6-7 minutes without touching the ball.

And this began shortly after we had cut their lead to 8.

Some of that is coaching, but at the college level, you can't expect Fran to yell out every possession, "get the ball to Luka". The defense has ears too. Yes, it's no secret, but when it's telegraphed every time, then yeah it's gonna be pretty hard to get him the ball when most of the focus is on him to begin with.

That is why I'm saying they needed to do a better job of moving the ball to create entry points for him.

But oh well. Too late now..........................
 
That's what happens when you get worked in the 2nd round as a 2 seed. Sucks to suck.

Make the tourney enough times, shit happens. You're better off just missing it.
Meh, I enjoyed watching you spend the build up to our first game hoping we would lose, and then it made my day knowing that it bothered you, regardless of the fact you won't admit it, that we won.

And then to be able to say not only did we sweep Wisconsin in 3 games this year, we also lasted a day longer than them in the tournament....... :cool:

Iowa > Wisconsin #confirmed
 
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I have been a Hawkeye fan ever since a child. And I still am. Hate we lost like this but if you paid attention this year it is not a surprise. If we were hitting 3s we would have been in this. But with lack of athletic guards and poor defense if the shots aren't falling we were screwed. Frans going to be here and I still am a fan. I hate we lost more so because of Luka. He gave it his heart and soul.
Fran’s teams play a fun style to watch; but like Dr Tom, he hasn’t recruited the athletes to make that style work against good athletic teams. I hate the way Wisconsin plays, but they have made it work with limited athleticism. Until this year, that is.
 
Fran’s teams play a fun style to watch; but like Dr Tom, he hasn’t recruited the athletes to make that style work against good athletic teams. I hate the way Wisconsin plays, but they have made it work with limited athleticism. Until this year, that is.
Wisconsin also had scorers and kind of introduced the Big Ten to the versatile 3 pt shooting PF/C.

This year, they just had their weak sauce defensive slow the game to a snails pace style of play without the scoring.

Looks like unwanted trash when you take that away, huh...... @jwardelt :)
 
As a 2 seed, this team was a fraud. 2 seeds shouldn't get manhandled in the 2nd F'ing round. And yeah, Oregon was underseeded. But still.

I’m not going to excuse the play today (though Garza absolutely gets a pass and probably Weiskamp), but this tournament has just been carnage all around. Ohio State got beat by a 15. Illinois as a #1 didn’t make it through the 2nd round, Houston really should have lost to Rutgers yesterday. We’ll see how things go today.
 
Hard to argue
Who worth a crap did we beat this year?Certainly you turds don’t count as a quality win!
I mean WINS !!!!

Yore best team in forever won as many tourney games as one of our shittiest of the last 20 years.

Enjoy those regular season victories though.
 
Go cheer on flops you bitch. Wisconsin wishes they were in the Missouri Valley where players flop & flail all the time. Never forget Trice falling down on D 20 feet from the hoop vs Marquette in the final seconds. Bitch ball.

Enjoy the basement next year. You guys are going to bad w/o Garza.
 
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It’s Iowa’s turn. Ohio State took their beating Friday, along with Purdue. Illinois got theirs yesterday.

If anyone is trying to make the case that Iowa is the only team that crapped the bed or that Iowa was a particular embarrassment I’d push back a bit on that with Illinois losing to an 8, OSU losing to a 15 and Purdue losing to a 13, but this wasn’t a strong showing today.

We all knew that this had the potential to be the way Iowa got eliminated. All year, almost nobody stopped Garza and most only barely slowed him down. Same today, getting 36 on really efficient shooting. But Iowa can’t win when Bohannon, Fredrick, McCaffrey and Keegan combine for 6 points on 2-17 shooting, including 1-9 from 3.

I feel bad for Luka, he deserved to go out better than this. Oregon had that run to end the first half and Iowa never really checked them after that. Probably their worst defensive game in 2 months.

I just dont think we have the combination to hang with Oregon. They brought athleticism, defense and 3 point shooting with basically the same lineup. We have either/or. Our 3 point shooting HAD to be better to stand a chance. I feel bad for JBo. What a dud.
 
Wisconsin also had scorers and kind of introduced the Big Ten to the versatile 3 pt shooting PF/C.

This year, they just had their weak sauce defensive slow the game to a snails pace style of play without the scoring.

Looks like unwanted trash when you take that away, huh...... @jwardelt :)

Shooting was our problem this year. Along with defense, turnovers, passing, dribbling, free throws, etc.


And yet...

We still won as many tourney games as Iowa.
 
It all starts with recruiting. The B1G simply doesn’t get the 4/5 star recruits with the same regularity as the other power conferences. Since 2017 I believe only 3
B1G programs have pulled in top 30 classes.
 
Well if any year would be THE year, it should have been this year. I dont know how many more of these seasons are in store for us
Why? Iowa has had problems with smaller, quicker and more "athletic" teams with this group of kids since....forever? Toussaint is part of the answer as he is quick and athletic,,,,,,,Murray needs to get a bit bigger but has the ingrediants,,,,Remember, Indiana whomped us twice this season.....This team needed a good bracket to advance,,,,,and what they got was not what they needed......
It was a fun team to watch....and Garza has been a pleasure to watch the past couple of seasons!

Go Hawks!
 
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Yes trying to run with Oregon was a recipe for disaster. I have no idea if Fran is capable of another level or not. This year was certainly good. We thought finishing 3rd in a good Big 10 was a good accomplishment. Turns out the league sucked balls. We just didn't get the chance to see it due to limited non-conference games.
Tom Davis wasn't! And dammit, there's another Lickliter out there to hire! It wasn't that the B10 was bad Dodger......it was more Iowa trying to compete against "The Conference of Champions!" ;)
 
mostly about the lack of defense and saying that everyone in the big ten knew Iowa was a fraud.
Fraud? Then there are a whole bunch of Big Ten teams that better hide their own records. You don't finish 3rd in the league if you are a "fraud." Illinois got bitch slapped by a MVC team. Were they are fraud? Just give Oregon credit and realize the Pac 12 is much better than what most thought.
 
I hate, as a Cyclone fan, to try to bring some perspective, but had the Big 10 not been performing so poorly in the previous days, this wouldn't be much more than a blip on the national radar. A 2-seed losing in the first round is embarrassing (believe me, I know). Once you get past the first round, every game is a potential L for almost every team except those seasons where there appears to be a dominate team - like Gonzaga this year. It was clear that Oregon was underrated, but even if their ranking was correct, they were still a 7 seed. That translates to being ranked somewhere between the top 25-28 team. Once you start talking about teams at that level, they can beat pretty much anyone on their day.

To sum up my rambling post, the talent is really spread out in college basketball nowadays and that means that there are hardly any safe games once you get past the first round anymore. I'm convinced most of the national dumping on Iowa is really just a continuation of dumping on the conference as a whole.
 
I hate, as a Cyclone fan, to try to bring some perspective, but had the Big 10 not been performing so poorly in the previous days, this wouldn't be much more than a blip on the national radar. A 2-seed losing in the first round is embarrassing (believe me, I know). Once you get past the first round, every game is a potential L for almost every team except those seasons where there appears to be a dominate team - like Gonzaga this year. And it was clear that Oregon was underrated, but even if they're ranking was correct, they were still a 7 seed. That translates to being ranking somewhere between the top 25-28 team. Once you start talking about teams at that level, they can beat pretty much anyone on their day.

To sum up my rambling post, the talent is really spread out in college basketball nowadays and that means that there are hardly any safe games once you get past the first round anymore. I'm convinced most of the national dumping on Iowa is really just a continuation of dumping on the conference as a whole.

What is forgotten here is that according to one broadcaster, The PAC 12 is "the conference of Champions!" and us midwestern folks dont like to have our northern European noses rubbed in that!
 
Iowa had some lineups that worked, but he went away from them. He never even tried that small-ball grouping with Joe W as the center that played well in the first half.

This happens to Fran too often, not recognizing matchups and hot hands. He took out his own son, PMac, right after he hit two free throws and had hit a couple layups before that in a short stretch. Why in the world would you take him out of the game when he and Joe T were clicking offensively and defensively? Why change the lineup at all until it stops working? If I was on the national sports news, that's what I'd be talking about. I like Fran, but his substitution moves often seem to have no rhyme or reason and it continues to cost Iowa in big games year after year.
 
Yeah, totally embarrassing to go out in the 2nd round as a 2 seed. What a bunch of losers.
Nothing like a 1-seed going out in the second round to an in-state rival 8-seed, is there? Especially when your best player totally blows it?
 
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