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NCAA tournament officiating

It’s always going to be bad no matter what. You can throw 4-5 officials out there and there will still be bad/missed calls. Basketball is a tough sport because everything happens so fast and there is so much gray area when it comes to block/charge, over the back/clearing out etc...

Remember 3-4 years ago they said they were gonna clean up the game and call every little bump/hand check. Teams were shooting 30-40 FTs a game and games took ever. National pundits were complaining that it was too much, other coaches said it was great.

All I ask for is consistency in officials. There is going to be missed calls and it’s part of the game. I also ask that they change the “reviews” rule. Let each team have a challenge and if they think the officials got it wrong challenge it. Otherwise stick w/the call regardless of right/wrong. Just my opinion.
 
I agree with perryhawk that this year does seem worse and with LC that it does seem to be biased. Also, it has been very inconsistent especially on blocked shots. Sometimes they allow contact when the defender is ruled to have jumped straight up and then the next time they call the foul. Also, I thought they eliminated hand checking? Don’t seem to be calling that.
 
But you know officials don't decide the game....I hate it when people say that. I've said on here multiple times, officials tend to favor some teams/players. When there are a few critical calls, they can change the momentum of a game. A call with 10 mins left in the 1st half can cause a momentum shift, and it may be the beginning of a 10-0 run that could decide the game.

There were some questionable calls in Iowa State's game against Ohio State, and there were questionable calls in the Iowa/Cincy and the Iowa/Tennessee games. I get it, its a hard job, and decisions have to be made in real time. However, officials decide games.
 
When it gets to the NCAA tournament, I think none of the refs should be from the conference in which the teams are from. Yeah, it would be tricky logistically, but not impossible. And, yes, there are always questionable calls, but it can also benefit teams, as I’ve seen some Big Ten refs be pretty favorable to Big Ten teams in the tournament.
 
When it gets to the NCAA tournament, I think none of the refs should be from the conference in which the teams are from. Yeah, it would be tricky logistically, but not impossible. And, yes, there are always questionable calls, but it can also benefit teams, as I’ve seen some Big Ten refs be pretty favorable to Big Ten teams in the tournament.

They need to rotate officials throughout the country, not just a given region. Too often NCAA tournament games get influenced by what they're used to. B10 officials for example, tend to swallow their whistles and allow physical play. That doesn't happen in the ACC. Purdue/Tennessee next weekend will be interesting as both teams play physical styles.
 
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But you know officials don't decide the game....I hate it when people say that. I've said on here multiple times, officials tend to favor some teams/players. When there are a few critical calls, they can change the momentum of a game. A call with 10 mins left in the 1st half can cause a momentum shift, and it may be the beginning of a 10-0 run that could decide the game.

There were some questionable calls in Iowa State's game against Ohio State, and there were questionable calls in the Iowa/Cincy and the Iowa/Tennessee games. I get it, its a hard job, and decisions have to be made in real time. However, officials decide games.
Officials definitely can decide games, and do.

I could list examples from Iowa and/or ISU games, but that might start a fight. Look instead at the end of the Duke game. The stars of each team have four fouls each andn collide; refs call a block instead of a charge, on what seems like an obvious charge, Later, Duke player obviously hooks and holds to get a rebound and put back the winning points.

Granted, UCF had two heartbreak misses after that, a shot and a tip, so they still could have won the game. But give me a break.
 
Officials definitely can decide games, and do.

I could list examples from Iowa and/or ISU games, but that might start a fight. Look instead at the end of the Duke game. The stars of each team have four fouls each andn collide; refs call a block instead of a charge, on what seems like an obvious charge, Later, Duke player obviously hooks and holds to get a rebound and put back the winning points.

Granted, UCF had two heartbreak misses after that, a shot and a tip, so they still could have won the game. But give me a break.
Your Duke hate is obvious. Fall had a foot inside the restricted area
 
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I agree with perryhawk that this year does seem worse and with LC that it does seem to be biased. Also, it has been very inconsistent especially on blocked shots. Sometimes they allow contact when the defender is ruled to have jumped straight up and then the next time they call the foul. Also, I thought they eliminated hand checking? Don’t seem to be calling that.

They did, that's why it isn't ever called :cool:
 
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When it gets to the NCAA tournament, I think none of the refs should be from the conference in which the teams are from. Yeah, it would be tricky logistically, but not impossible. And, yes, there are always questionable calls, but it can also benefit teams, as I’ve seen some Big Ten refs be pretty favorable to Big Ten teams in the tournament.
I would venture to guess that the "favorability" probably has more to do with familiarity with how players play than anything else. I'm sure it looks that way sometimes, but in the tournament, referees care about advancing to the next round. You don't advance if you don't get as many plays right as possible.
 
Officials definitely can decide games, and do.

I could list examples from Iowa and/or ISU games, but that might start a fight. Look instead at the end of the Duke game. The stars of each team have four fouls each andn collide; refs call a block instead of a charge, on what seems like an obvious charge, Later, Duke player obviously hooks and holds to get a rebound and put back the winning points.

Granted, UCF had two heartbreak misses after that, a shot and a tip, so they still could have won the game. But give me a break.
Fall vs Zion was an obvious charge? What are you talking about? If there was a foul it was on Fall.

That rebound was as clean as it could be. Hook and hold? wtf are you talking about? There wasn't any hooking or holding going on. The UCF player didn't box out and jumped toward the rim. He stepped to the rim and left space between himself and the Duke player.

UCF had two great looks at the end, but give you a break? Isn't that how we want games to end? With both teams having had an opportunity to win the game?
 
They need to rotate officials throughout the country, not just a given region. Too often NCAA tournament games get influenced by what they're used to. B10 officials for example, tend to swallow their whistles and allow physical play. That doesn't happen in the ACC. Purdue/Tennessee next weekend will be interesting as both teams play physical styles.
Do you mean during the NCAAs or during the regular season?
 
When it gets to the NCAA tournament, I think none of the refs should be from the conference in which the teams are from. Yeah, it would be tricky logistically, but not impossible. And, yes, there are always questionable calls, but it can also benefit teams, as I’ve seen some Big Ten refs be pretty favorable to Big Ten teams in the tournament.
So what do you do when you get down to the second, third, fourth rounds etc when MANY of the officials who are working are primary in one league and secondary in another? Kipp Kissinger is in the Big 12, ACC and possibly in the SEC. He's one of the best. Same goes for Terry Oglesby. Gerry Pollard works Big 12, MWC, PAC12.

Most of the heavy hitters aren't exclusive to one league. They see other teams throughout the year.
 
I agree with perryhawk that this year does seem worse and with LC that it does seem to be biased. Also, it has been very inconsistent especially on blocked shots. Sometimes they allow contact when the defender is ruled to have jumped straight up and then the next time they call the foul. Also, I thought they eliminated hand checking? Don’t seem to be calling that.
There is a lot more involved in legally blocked shots than defenders jumping vertically. This is the type of thing where the common fan doesn't know the actual rules and criteria that are used to evaluate plays. They think plays are inconsistent when, many times, they just don't realize that there can be incidental body contact or even some arm contact allowed if the ball is blocked before the other contact occurs.
Of course referees misjudge these plays from time to time. It's a hard play to get right, especially if you lose discipline and blow your whistle on a closed look or if you don't trust your partner to see the angle of the play you aren't able to see. But many times referee judgments on blocked shots are correct and fans think it's wrong. That's not inconsistent officiating, it's fans not knowing the criteria referees are basing their decisions on.
 
It’s always going to be bad no matter what. You can throw 4-5 officials out there and there will still be bad/missed calls. Basketball is a tough sport because everything happens so fast and there is so much gray area when it comes to block/charge, over the back/clearing out etc...

Remember 3-4 years ago they said they were gonna clean up the game and call every little bump/hand check. Teams were shooting 30-40 FTs a game and games took ever. National pundits were complaining that it was too much, other coaches said it was great.

All I ask for is consistency in officials. There is going to be missed calls and it’s part of the game. I also ask that they change the “reviews” rule. Let each team have a challenge and if they think the officials got it wrong challenge it. Otherwise stick w/the call regardless of right/wrong. Just my opinion.
Would you accept a 90+% correct call rate? Because over the last 5-6 years the officiating in the tournament has actually increased YOY and was above 90% last year.
 
Your Duke hate is obvious. Fall had a foot inside the restricted area

doesn't change the FACT there was a HOOK and hold which is a flagrant 1 foul where UCF gets the 2 shots and the ball, add in the FACT that barretts BIG time shove off while the refs just let DUKE foul like crazy to get the win, get a clue yeah DUKE LOVER!!
 
Fall vs Zion was an obvious charge? What are you talking about? If there was a foul it was on Fall.

That rebound was as clean as it could be. Hook and hold? wtf are you talking about? There wasn't any hooking or holding going on. The UCF player didn't box out and jumped toward the rim. He stepped to the rim and left space between himself and the Duke player.

UCF had two great looks at the end, but give you a break? Isn't that how we want games to end? With both teams having had an opportunity to win the game?


You are an tool, major REFS have said while it was a hard call it should have been 100% a charge..

Hook and hold there was one MAJOR one again the top refs have said it, ESPN SHOWED it, and barrett shoved off like an idiot and got away with it

we get it you love your cheating duke blue devils but they were fing GIFTED that win by crappy refs!
 
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So what do you do when you get down to the second, third, fourth rounds etc when MANY of the officials who are working are primary in one league and secondary in another? Kipp Kissinger is in the Big 12, ACC and possibly in the SEC. He's one of the best. Same goes for Terry Oglesby. Gerry Pollard works Big 12, MWC, PAC12.

Most of the heavy hitters aren't exclusive to one league. They see other teams throughout the year.

Great point. Perhaps you make it that a ref can’t work a game for any league they work in for the first or second round. Plenty of games to build a tournament grade. Oglesby is one of the best around, so he’ll grade out just as well working a PAC12/MAC game. Just an idea.
 
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You are an tool, major REFS have said while it was a hard call it should have been 100% a charge..

Hook and hold there was one MAJOR one again the top refs have said it, ESPN SHOWED it, and barrett shoved off like an idiot and got away with it

we get it you love your cheating duke blue devils but they were fing GIFTED that win by crappy refs!
Wow. What a douche, You don't even make sense.
 
doesn't change the FACT there was a HOOK and hold which is a flagrant 1 foul where UCF gets the 2 shots and the ball, add in the FACT that barretts BIG time shove off while the refs just let DUKE foul like crazy to get the win, get a clue yeah DUKE LOVER!!
Lol there was no shove off. The tape doesn't like. Cry to people who are to dumb to look at the tape. Because the tape doesn't support anything you're saying.
 
Great point. Perhaps you make it that a ref can’t work a game for any league they work in for the first or second round. Plenty of games to build a tournament grade. Oglesby is one of the best around, so he’ll grade out just as well working a PAC12/MAC game. Just an idea.
Very true, and Agree about Oglesby. Unfortunately, he made an important mistake yesterday and will likely not be advancing any further in the tournament. Regardless of his advancement this year, he's one of the best.
 
I thought Zion got away with a push-off on the guy before he got to Tacko. Have seen that called an offensive foul before. I do agree that the Tacko block call was legit, didn't have an issue with that one.
little vs big. little knows he has to draw an offensive foul because that's his only chance. If you break the video down, you will see the defender slightly moving forward with his chest creating the contact while trying to get his hips into Zion's path. It's a classic maneuver by a defender trying to draw an offensive foul. Then on contact he flexes hips forward and chest back making it look like Zion ran him off his spot. He didn't. Excellent discipline by the official to not bite on the defender's sell-job. Very hard play to get right.
 
98% of the calls are judgement calls that one side or the other is going to be upset about. Case in point somebody noted that the Cincy fans message board were up in arms about the officiating was the worst screw job they’ve ever had. While at the same time there were countless posts on here stating Iowa was clearly getting screwed over.

So few calls are agregious really bad calls. The ‘kick ball’ in the ISU game comes to mind.

What I’m trying to say is with the immense amount of gray area in b-ball officiating people are always going to be upset. You could have a supreme lord of officiating review every call/no call and fans will still think they are getting screwed. Mentally tough teams battle thru.
 
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And one more point....this year has been the most physical year I remember in the ncaa tourney. From game one on, it has pretty much been a slug fest. But it’s been pretty consistent.
 
Very true, and Agree about Oglesby. Unfortunately, he made an important mistake yesterday and will likely not be advancing any further in the tournament. Regardless of his advancement this year, he's one of the best.
And one of the nicest and best to work with. I didn't see his game yesterday, what did he do/not do?
 
And one of the nicest and best to work with. I didn't see his game yesterday, what did he do/not do?
Iowa vs Tennessee. Tough foul call and situation on a 3 pt shot toward the end of the game. Iowa shooter did not get fouled, and he came in without posting a foul. It appeared as an inadvertent whistle on the court, then was ruled a foul.
 
Iowa vs Tennessee. Tough foul call and situation on a 3 pt shot toward the end of the game. Iowa shooter did not get fouled, and he came in without posting a foul. It appeared as an inadvertent whistle on the court, then was ruled a foul.
I was texting with a friend of mine, huge Hawkeye fan, and we thought that was the ball game. The look on the officials' faces after they reviewed it to see whether it was outside the arc was like they wanted to find a hole to crawl into. Five-point swing; instead of Tennessee by 5, it was tied.

Horrible mistake. But it shouldn't take away from the great rally Iowa pulled off in the second half.
 
Iowa vs Tennessee. Tough foul call and situation on a 3 pt shot toward the end of the game. Iowa shooter did not get fouled, and he came in without posting a foul. It appeared as an inadvertent whistle on the court, then was ruled a foul.
true, but I believe there was an obvious BS foul called against Iowa that gave them 2 fts about 20 seconds earlier in the game. IIRC
 
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true, but I believe there was an obvious BS foul called against Iowa that gave them 2 fts about 20 seconds earlier in the game. IIRC
You could be right. But there is no quid pro quo with trading incorrect calls.

Maybe he will advance, but his advancement isn't determined by other guys' incorrect calls. Someone has to advance, but it also might not be anyone from that game.
 
I was texting with a friend of mine, huge Hawkeye fan, and we thought that was the ball game. The look on the officials' faces after they reviewed it to see whether it was outside the arc was like they wanted to find a hole to crawl into. Five-point swing; instead of Tennessee by 5, it was tied.

Horrible mistake. But it shouldn't take away from the great rally Iowa pulled off in the second half.
Very tough mistake. Agree, great come back by the Hawks, and tough calls will happen. The best approach to though or incorrect calls is to make the most of them when they benefit you and work past them as quickly as possible when they benefit the other team. Because they're coming whether you like it or not. Iowa hit all three free throws, and Tennessee didn't let it stop them from out playing Iowa the rest of the way.
 
I agree that officiating seems to be very inconsistent. However, I'll play devil's advocate here a little bit...

Do you think that the advancement in camera and TV technology has led to the belief that there's more inconsistency these days? Think about back in the 80's and 90's when we watched basketball games on our 32" tube TV with a 480 interlaced signal. The TV was much smaller than what we're viewing on today and resolution much lower, making it more difficult to see whether a ball went off a fingertip or a guy was hit on the wrist.

Today, we have broadcasts that have multiple high definition cameras recording and broadcasting to your 1080p or 4k ultra high definition TV that's 55+ inches. Additionally, when there is a call that's questionable, they review it these days and have 5 different angles in ultra slow motion.

I don't know if officiating has gotten worse or if the technology has just allowed us to see the officiating mistakes that were always present.
 
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I was texting with a friend of mine, huge Hawkeye fan, and we thought that was the ball game. The look on the officials' faces after they reviewed it to see whether it was outside the arc was like they wanted to find a hole to crawl into. Five-point swing; instead of Tennessee by 5, it was tied.

Horrible mistake. But it shouldn't take away from the great rally Iowa pulled off in the second half.

They reviewed to see if he was outside the arc? Bohannon was 30’ away from them basket. If they were reviewing where his feet were, then the refs were worse than I imagined.
 
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true, but I believe there was an obvious BS foul called against Iowa that gave them 2 fts about 20 seconds earlier in the game. IIRC
There was a very close call that went against the Hawks. In fact, when the phantom foul was called to put JBo to the line, my buddy texted "obvious makeup call."
 
I agree that officiating seems to be very inconsistent. However, I'll play devil's advocate here a little bit...

Do you think that the advancement in camera and TV technology has led to the belief that there's more inconsistency these days? Think about back in the 80's and 90's when we watched basketball games on our 32" tube TV with a 480 interlaced signal. The TV was much smaller than what we're viewing on today and resolution much lower, making it more difficult to see whether a ball went off a fingertip or a guy was hit on the wrist.

Today, we have broadcasts that have multiple high definition cameras recording and broadcasting to your 1080p or 4k ultra high definition TV that's 55+ inches. Additionally, when there is a call that's questionable, they review it these days and have 5 different angles in ultra slow motion.

I don't know if officiating has gotten worse or if the technology has just allowed us to see the officiating mistakes that were always present.
I think the replays tend to support the officials more often than not. They certainly show how an error can be made, most of the time. But sometimes there's just no excuse. It's too bad there's nothing that can be done.

And sometimes the rule, itself, is a problem.

Some of you guys know about this, so I'm sorry to beat the dead horse, but it was a really unbelievable situation a few years ago at Kansas. Jared Homan of ISU was fouled while shooting and put on the line for two. He missed the first, a KU guy rebounded, threw it to another KU guy, who threw in a long trey. Officials stopped the game and put Homan back at the line for his second shot.....but the three points stayed on the board. As was what the rule called for. Cyclones lost in overtime.

Somehow, none of the three officials, nor the bench official, stopped play before the shot, so it had to count.
 
It’s always going to be bad no matter what. You can throw 4-5 officials out there and there will still be bad/missed calls. Basketball is a tough sport because everything happens so fast and there is so much gray area when it comes to block/charge, over the back/clearing out etc...

Remember 3-4 years ago they said they were gonna clean up the game and call every little bump/hand check. Teams were shooting 30-40 FTs a game and games took ever. National pundits were complaining that it was too much, other coaches said it was great.

All I ask for is consistency in officials. There is going to be missed calls and it’s part of the game. I also ask that they change the “reviews” rule. Let each team have a challenge and if they think the officials got it wrong challenge it. Otherwise stick w/the call regardless of right/wrong. Just my opinion.

The problem with the free motion rules they were emphasizing, such as hand checking and bodying up perimeter players, is that they called it early in the season for a couple of years. Then as conferences were getting back into the swing, and especially by tourney time, they reverted.

That doesn't give coaches or players the ability to adjust. I would take even a full year of tons of foul calls to let the teams adjust and start staying within the rules. And it may be a contradiction, but I don't even care if they clean up the middle. I want them to clean up the perimeter. Allowing guys to play defense the way Tenn did against JBo (the same way numerous B1G teams play) shouldn't be allowed.

Give the guards room to move and the rest will take care of itself. Guys don't play defense with their feet as much any more because they are allowed to play with their hands and body.
 
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