Nebbie down to ONE scholarship QB (Sep 10: Listed Day to Day)

[desihawk]

If I were a coach trying to defend the zone read, I’d ask my players to take (and hit) the QB on every single exchange.

Based on the little that i've seen (and i could be wrong), SF's scheme isn't an option variant where the exchange takes place late along the los. He's apparently creative at generating unusual formations to confuse defenses and not shy about letting his qb take off. So the qb will get hit when he's a ball-carrier but it's not like you get a free shot every time the qb's handing it off.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Players should be free to go where they choose, the issue I believe is he didn't get what he wanted- the starting spot- so he packed up and left like 5 days before the season. That is childish and doesn't bode well for this young man when other adversities come into play in life. 99% of these players do not reach their true potential because of this sissy ass mindset......oh hello Derrick WIllies

Good grief so now he's being compared to Willies, who left right in the middle of the season? I agree with the overall sentiment that it would probably benefit him to stick around at least this year, be ready to play if called upon. But if he didn't win the starting job this year, he was never going to play at Nebraska. Vedral, the QB from UCF, transferred to follow Frost and will be eligible next year. Vedral and Martinez will be the Nebraska QB's for at least 2 years after this one.

If we're going to call players childish for moving on, then we need to call coaches childish too for leaving for other jobs while they still have contracts at the current job. Frost had a contract at UCF that he left for to take the job at Nebraska. No one is criticizing him for not honoring his commitment to UCF. Campbell left Toledo for Iowa State with years left on his deal. The reason it's not a big deal is that people recognize the coach is making a decision that is best for them. So players can't make those same choices? I just don't get that, nor will I ever.

 

[bigfridaynite]

 

[ThrowBones92]

If I were a coach trying to defend the zone read, I’d ask my players to take (and hit) the QB on every single exchange.

That's not really the way the exchange works. Generally the ball would be gone by the time the defender recognizes and commits to the QB if the dive read attacks. He's the only one left unblocked, and if he attacks, handoff. I don't think Frost has a lot of slow developing reads that are true options.

But you're right, hit the QB as much as possible, always, not just in a zone read scheme. Most of his exposure will be in the scramble or plays where the QB pulls the ball on the option, not on the exchange itself.

 

[SDYote]

Any chance he actually won the job in camp but Frost chose his guy anyway sparking the sudden transfer?

Nope

 

[SB_SB]

Kids today lack accountability- as long as your personal decisions work for you, screw everyone else.

You could say the same thing about the coaches. It's the way it works in competitive sports.

 

[brokenarrow73]

I feel for this kid, someone hasn't done a very good job of teaching him you finish what you start. If he wants to transfer or stop playing football that's fine. Only it needs to be done after the season has ended.

you mean like coaches do??

 

[Ray1125]

After watching Martinez in some of their spring game highlights, they better put him in bubble wrap because he wont make it 5 games. Looks like he is a run first guy with not a great arm.

So basically...just like Frost when he played at Nebraska. Run first guy with an inconsistent arm.

But different style runners. Frost was tough as hell running the ball, just like Frazier and E. Crouch. So I don't necessarily agree that a run first QB won't make it 5 games. Needs to be good at sliding as well.

I was hoping for Martinez to be the #1. He's more dynamic and in Frost's offensive scheme he's harder to defend than Gebbia. That was obvious in the Spring Game, but who knows. His recent shoulder injury in HS should make Husker fans uneasy though. He hasn't proven to be the most durable.

Side note, I like the walk-on QB Andrew Bunch. He can play ball. Could be worse at the #2 QB spot (the last walk-on QB backing Armstrong was way worse).

 

[nu2u]

Side note, I like the walk-on QB Andrew Bunch. He can play ball. Could be worse at the #2 QB spot (the last walk-on QB backing Armstrong was way worse).

The drop off from Martinez to Bunch is considerable. Everyone knows this.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

Good grief so now he's being compared to Willies, who left right in the middle of the season? I agree with the overall sentiment that it would probably benefit him to stick around at least this year, be ready to play if called upon. But if he didn't win the starting job this year, he was never going to play at Nebraska. Vedral, the QB from UCF, transferred to follow Frost and will be eligible next year. Vedral and Martinez will be the Nebraska QB's for at least 2 years after this one.

If we're going to call players childish for moving on, then we need to call coaches childish too for leaving for other jobs while they still have contracts at the current job. Frost had a contract at UCF that he left for to take the job at Nebraska. No one is criticizing him for not honoring his commitment to UCF. Campbell left Toledo for Iowa State with years left on his deal. The reason it's not a big deal is that people recognize the coach is making a decision that is best for them. So players can't make those same choices? I just don't get that, nor will I ever.

Lol the willies thing was just for fun. If a coach leaves a week before kickoff yes he deserves to be criticized, players and coaches both should and are allowed to leave.

 

[Hoosker Du]

After watching Martinez in some of their spring game highlights, they better put him in bubble wrap because he wont make it 5 games. Looks like he is a run first guy with not a great arm.

That is only part of the story. The kid is very talented, with a very strong arm, that has continued to get stronger. He is coming off an injury to his throwing arm in high school, that was still even somewhat weak in the spring game. It looked plenty strong then, but it still had weakness from the injury. He has said that his arm has progressively gotten stronger since the spring game. He can spin it very well.

His backup is a QB that was actually outplaying Gebbia (the kid that just transferred) until just recently. He is more mobile than Gebbia and played in a dual-threat system at his JUCO. He outplayed Gebbia in the spring game too if you ask most fans. Gebbia just wasn't mobile enough to play in Frost's system IMO.

We are actually pretty solid at QB. We have two QBs that are dual-threat QBs playing in a dual-threat system. Previously we either had an immobile QB (Tanner Lee) that took too many chances with the ball, a running QB that couldn't throw real well (Armstrong) running a pro system, or no depth at all behind a running QB (Taylor Martinez) in a run-pass system. What will make the biggest difference is our OLine.

If Martinez gets hurt, it will hurt the offense, but our backup is actually very decent, a solid thrower, and more mobile than Gebbia. was.

 

[Hoosker Du]

The drop off from Martinez to Bunch is considerable. Everyone knows this.

I don't believe that at all. Certainly Martinez is a dynamic runner, but Bunch looked better than Gebbia in the spring game, both throwing and running. I think Bunch is a very capable backup. Certainly better than we have had for quite some time.

 

[Hoosker Du]

I have no doubt that our defense will make one of those non scholarship back ups look like Andrew Luck when we play them.

That's OK, as long as you are making our starter look like Russell Wilson.

 

[Hoosker Du]

I hope their O line is better than what I think it is. Run Martinez run!

Shouldn't you be tallying up the lies coming out of your athletic department? The way to tell if Urban Meyer or Gene Smith are lying? Just watch to see if their mouths are moving.

 

[Script_IOWA]

That's OK, as long as you are making our starter look like Russell Wilson.

I saw a lot of similarities to PuntArm.

 

[Hoosker Du]

I saw a lot of similarities to PuntArm.

Ah...you're obviously a highly trained QB coach then, because they look nothing alike with their delivery.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

That is only part of the story. The kid is very talented, with a very strong arm, that has continued to get stronger. He is coming off an injury to his throwing arm in high school, that was still even somewhat weak in the spring game. It looked plenty strong then, but it still had weakness from the injury. He has said that his arm has progressively gotten stronger since the spring game. He can spin it very well.

His backup is a QB that was actually outplaying Gebbia (the kid that just transferred) until just recently. He is more mobile than Gebbia and played in a dual-threat system at his JUCO. He outplayed Gebbia in the spring game too if you ask most fans. Gebbia just wasn't mobile enough to play in Frost's system IMO.

We are actually pretty solid at QB. We have two QBs that are dual-threat QBs playing in a dual-threat system. Previously we either had an immobile QB (Tanner Lee) that took too many chances with the ball, a running QB that couldn't throw real well (Armstrong) running a pro system, or no depth at all behind a running QB (Taylor Martinez) in a run-pass system. What will make the biggest difference is our OLine.

If Martinez gets hurt, it will hurt the offense, but our backup is actually very decent, a solid thrower, and more mobile than Gebbia. was.

Every QB at this level is decent and/or very talented.....the question is if your #1 goes down is your #2 better than any other big ten teams #1. Being he is a walk on JUCO transfer I am going to guess I know that answer. I know if Iowa losses Stanley-I’m not too optimistic. That isn’t saying I am not high on our backups, because I like them both an awful lot. But to think either is ready for big ten football would be a lie

 

[Hoosker Du]

That's not really the way the exchange works. Generally the ball would be gone by the time the defender recognizes and commits to the QB if the dive read attacks. He's the only one left unblocked, and if he attacks, handoff. I don't think Frost has a lot of slow developing reads that are true options.

But you're right, hit the QB as much as possible, always, not just in a zone read scheme. Most of his exposure will be in the scramble or plays where the QB pulls the ball on the option, not on the exchange itself.

No, these guys have it figured out...how to keep the QB under 20 rushing yards...but give up over 200 yards to the RB.

 

[Script_IOWA]

Ah...you're obviously a highly trained QB coach then, because they look nothing alike with their delivery.

I'm guessing you are also a highly trained QB coach as well? No wait, you are a dude who hangs out on IOWA boards trying to tell us about quality QB's. Check out stats. What I watch and what you watch are not the same.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Every QB at this level is decent and/or very talented.....the question is if your #1 goes down is your #2 better than any other big ten teams #1. Being he is a walk on JUCO transfer I am going to guess I know that answer. I know if Iowa losses Stanley-I’m not too optimistic. That isn’t saying I am not high on our backups, because I like them both an awful lot. But to think either is ready for big ten football would be a lie

The #2 doesn't have to be more talented than other teams #1. Especially in an offense predicated on distributing the ball to other playmakers in space. That is the premise of Frost's offense. There were multiple players getting the ball at UCF. It is spread amongst a lot of players. Receivers become running backs and running backs become receivers.

Granted, you want to have a playmaker at QB too, but if the QB can distribute the ball, it can still be a lethal offense.

 

[Hoosker Du]

I'm guessing you are also a highly trained QB coach as well? No wait, you are a dude who hangs out on IOWA boards trying to tell us about quality QB's. Check out stats. What I watch and what you watch are not the same.

If punt arm is Taylor Martinez, then yes, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Their deliveries look nothing alike. BTW, Martinez was 2-0 against Iowa if I recall, wasn't he?

 

[iahawkeyes17]

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This is something to hold on next winter when we this board gets infested with the whole bragging about “winning” recruiting we see every year from their fan base. 18 months ago board littered with how Riley was going to bring in his pipeline of recruits from California etc.

Both Fleck and frost have little depth at qb. Who knows how good they’ll be but new coaches coming in with a different system we’ve seen this story if can’t get right qb makes life difficult. Rich rod perfect example at Michigan.

 

[Hoosker Du]

This is something to hold on next winter when we this board gets infested with the whole bragging about “winning” recruiting we see every year from their fan base. 18 months ago board littered with how Riley was going to bring in his pipeline of recruits from California etc.

Both Fleck and frost have little depth at qb. Who knows how good they’ll be but new coaches coming in with a different system we’ve seen this story if can’t get right qb makes life difficult. Rich rod perfect example at Michigan.

Yeah, I would hang on the edge of the words of a 19 year-old kid that thinks smoking weed is more important than anything too. Carry on..

BTW, Frost has completely improved depth at nearly every position on Nebraska's team...in 8 short months. QB is a little thin now, but every other spot has depth that we haven't seen in quite some time. And it will only improve.

 

[hwk23]

That is my opinion also.

Martinez is talented, no doubt about that. However, he hasn't played in a game since 2016 (due to an injury) and there is no guarantee he will succeed at this level. QBs in Frost's system take a beating over the course of a season. Gebbia was one hamstring pull or ankle sprain away from taking the reigns.

Play it out this year then transfer if longer term prospects don't look promising.

He was never going to be the permanent starter under Frost’s system. He’s not the right fit. The best he could hope for is to fill in. Now he can use his redshirt this year and have three full years to play somewhere else I believe.

 

[Hoosker Du]

He was never going to be the permanent starter under Frost’s system. He’s not the right fit. The best he could hope for is to fill in. Now he can use his redshirt this year and have three full years to play somewhere else I believe.

Exactly. Can't fault the kid for moving on. He put everything into competing for the spot, and didn't get it. He was made for a pro style offense, so he was always working at a disadvantage without the required skillset.

 

[Johnsoda123]

Yeah, I would hang on the edge of the words of a 19 year-old kid that thinks smoking weed is more important than anything too. Carry on..

BTW, Frost has completely improved depth at nearly every position on Nebraska's team...in 8 short months. QB is a little thin now, but every other spot has depth that we haven't seen in quite some time. And it will only improve.

I don't know why you are here. I don't know why you are talking. My Hawkeyes kick-off in four days so I'm focused on that. Frost improved depth at every position in 8 months? I grew up amongst Debbie fans. I'm so sick of arrogant Debra fans. What a stupid statement.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

I don't know why you are here. I don't know why you are talking. My Hawkeyes kick-off in four days so I'm focused on that. Frost improved depth at every position in 8 months? I grew up amongst Debbie fans. I'm so sick of arrogant Debra fans. What a stupid statement.

Hoosker Du's comment doesn't reflect AT ALL what some of my co-workers (in Nebraska) tell me about the Husker squad. They're rational folks who also recognize that they've been hit a little depth-wise at LB. Also, they're still trying to get where they want to be at on the OL too. However, they are deep at a number of other spots (like WR, RB, etc).

 

[chuck285]

I don't blame the kid. He's smart enough to see the hand writing on the wall. Five years ago my ex wanted to have the UPS man come live with us and live in the basement. Boy, did I see through that. Oh, this isn't dear Abby

 

[St_Henry_Buckeye]

Shouldn't you be tallying up the lies coming out of your athletic department? The way to tell if Urban Meyer or Gene Smith are lying? Just watch to see if their mouths are moving.

Do you think we will need a punter this year> Asking for a friend.

 

[whoboppin]

Hoosker Du's comment doesn't reflect AT ALL what some of my co-workers (in Nebraska) tell me about the Husker squad. They're rational folks who also recognize that they've been hit a little depth-wise at LB. Also, they're still trying to get where they want to be at on the OL too. However, they are deep at a number of other spots (like WR, RB, etc).

Nebraska's depth concerns are at QB, CB, and Tackle in 2018. They are pretty good everywhere else. They are fine at inside LB for this year, though there could be concerns for 2019.

 

[obfuscating]

I feel for this kid, someone hasn't done a very good job of teaching him you finish what you start. If he wants to transfer or stop playing football that's fine. Only it needs to be done after the season has ended.

Entitlement.

 

[pacnorthhawkeye]

Kids today lack accountability- as long as your personal decisions work for you, screw everyone else.

A lot of adults lack accountability these days as well....Urban Meyer comes to mind.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

Yeah, I would hang on the edge of the words of a 19 year-old kid that thinks smoking weed is more important than anything too. Carry on..

BTW, Frost has completely improved depth at nearly every position on Nebraska's team...in 8 short months. QB is a little thin now, but every other spot has depth that we haven't seen in quite some time. And it will only improve.

How the F do you know if depth is improved when these players haven't even touched the field. I get the optimism in Huskerland, but damn Frost hasn't even coached a game yet. The big ten is much different than other leagues- I think Nebby found that out when they joined. Frost's flashy offense is all good and great, but do they have a defense? UCF sure didn't. Does Nebby have OL and DL that can hold up every week? There are so many questions yet to be answered, but yet here you are spouting a bunch of BS. Could you be right, sure you could....but my advice would be to stay off opponents boards that just beat you by 30+ points two years in a row.

 

[FreddyUI]

I do find some irony in that a football player named Scott who turns down a scholarship offer to play for Nebraska to play football in California. Two years later he decides he would have been better off at Nebraska after they have won a national title and Stanford gets a new coach. (He eventually does win the starting QB job and a national title).

Scott comes back to coach Nebraska and in his first year; a player from California decides that he would be better off returning to California leaving him with only one scholarship QB.


I agree 5 days before the start of the season makes a HUGE difference and I am so glad Tyler Wiegers stuck it out for the 2017 season but it does not fit the narrative above.

 

[ThrowBones92]

Hoosker Du's comment doesn't reflect AT ALL what some of my co-workers (in Nebraska) tell me about the Husker squad. They're rational folks who also recognize that they've been hit a little depth-wise at LB. Also, they're still trying to get where they want to be at on the OL too. However, they are deep at a number of other spots (like WR, RB, etc).

Unfortunately, the OL will be better this year probably than it will be next year, especially at G-C-G. We are already weak at center, with two walk ons filling the role, but then we lose the interior three to graduation this year, and I'm not sure we have great depth there to begin with. There is another hole in the recruiting at OL because we had a recruiting failure in last year's class, our only commitment didn't get to campus because he didn't qualify, and currently we have two OTs committed. We do have a pretty good juco prospect committed at OG, but it's disapointing that just as soon as our OTs (a True Soph and a RS Soph) come along and should be pretty solid next year, the middle of the line drops. We've gotta shore up the OL recruiting, although this offense does ease the stress on the OL, which is good.

We haven't and won't have trouble getting skill guys (QB, WR, RB, Duck-R) who want to play in this offense as long as Frost can continue with the performances he's had at UO and UCF. The offense should be pretty attractive to TEs as well, and while we blew it with who is now the best TE in the country, we have some pretty decent options. Our OL will continue to be an area where we MUST recruit and develop better.

 

[ThrowBones92]

How the F do you know if depth is improved when these players haven't even touched the field. I get the optimism in Huskerland, but damn Frost hasn't even coached a game yet. The big ten is much different than other leagues- I think Nebby found that out when they joined. Frost's flashy offense is all good and great, but do they have a defense? UCF sure didn't. Does Nebby have OL and DL that can hold up every week? There are so many questions yet to be answered, but yet here you are spouting a bunch of BS. Could you be right, sure you could....but my advice would be to stay off opponents boards that just beat you by 30+ points two years in a row.

I think we're actually pretty solid on the DL right now. We don't have an Epenesa-type playmaker, but we have developed depth pretty well there, especially at the DE spot. Will be interesting to see how it goes.

CB is our biggest concern on the defensive side this year. We have two players in their third year who haven't really proven anything, and then we have two true freshman at #2 spots - one because he's really good and ready to play, the other out of necessity and probably wouldn't want to burn his redshirt if you have other options. An individual who pays attention to this pretty closely thinks the DB commit we have is as good as or better than the two true freshmen currently on the two-deep. Again, we shall see what happens.

 

[Suterman]

You have a Freshman QB who is likely to get hurt backed up by 2 walk-ons. You are not solid at QB. Next year you may be able to make that claim but not this year.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Yeah, I would hang on the edge of the words of a 19 year-old kid that thinks smoking weed is more important than anything too. Carry on..

BTW, Frost has completely improved depth at nearly every position on Nebraska's team...in 8 short months. QB is a little thin now, but every other spot has depth that we haven't seen in quite some time. And it will only improve.

Actually you completely missed my point. Which was the winter of 17’ we couldn’t hear enough about all the stellar recruits riley brought in and Gebbia and Keyshawn jr being two of them and I think 2 others never even made it to campus. Thing is until some of the guys does something on the field maybe hold off on all the boasting and bragging to other schools such as all husker fans coming here telling us how awesome their recruits will be.

As for the depth comment haven’t heard a husker fan ever say that before with previous coaches or seasons....

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Nebraska's depth concerns are at QB, CB, and Tackle in 2018. They are pretty good everywhere else. They are fine at inside LB for this year, though there could be concerns for 2019.

My Husker friends voiced concern about the LBs, in part because of the poor play from last year, but also because the Huskers are utilizing a 3-4 and ideally you have a lot more depth at the position to push forward the competition at the position. Furthermore, there's been a bit of attrition at the position given the departure of Ward, Hampton, and Roberts.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Unfortunately, the OL will be better this year probably than it will be next year, especially at G-C-G. We are already weak at center, with two walk ons filling the role, but then we lose the interior three to graduation this year, and I'm not sure we have great depth there to begin with. There is another hole in the recruiting at OL because we had a recruiting failure in last year's class, our only commitment didn't get to campus because he didn't qualify, and currently we have two OTs committed. We do have a pretty good juco prospect committed at OG, but it's disapointing that just as soon as our OTs (a True Soph and a RS Frosh) come along and should be pretty solid next year, the middle of the line drops. We've gotta shore up the OL recruiting, although this offense does ease the stress on the OL, which is good.

We haven't and won't have trouble getting skill guys (QB, WR, RB, Duck-R) who want to play in this offense as long as Frost can continue with the performances he's had at UO and UCF. The offense should be pretty attractive to TEs as well, and while we blew it with who is now the best TE in the country, we have some pretty decent options. Our OL will continue to be an area where we MUST recruit and develop better.

Yeah, I was just passing on to Hawk fans what some of my Husker friends had told me - I wasn't making up my own analyses. Some of the remarks about the OL may have been reflecting the future a little too. Your input puts their comments a little bit more in context ... thanks!