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Nebbie down to ONE scholarship QB (Sep 10: Listed Day to Day)

Not a good situation for Nebraska since Frost's system features a running QB and the true freshman starter (Martinez) sat out all of 2017 with a serious shoulder injury. The back-up (Andrew Bunch) is a JUCO transfer with no other major college offers and fairly pedestrian passing stats. The health of Martinez will be top priority this year.

In addition to Gebbia, another highly regarded QB (Patrick O'Brien) transferred this Spring and last year's starter (Tanner Lee) declared early for the NFL draft. Gebbia was widely considered a better passer than Martinez. Nebraska has one of the best WR units in the B10. I'm guessing that Stanley Morgan might already regret his decision to return for his senior year and it could really get ugly if Martinez goes down at some point.

All fair points, but Scott Frost's offense is at its best with a true dual threat QB. The passing game is predicated on the defenses need to constantly account for the QB RPO. Without that threat, its just another Spread offense that can be blown up with relentless pressure at the line of scrimmage.

Stanley Morgan will have more opportunities with a QB like Martinez at the helm.
 
I do find some irony in that a football player named Scott who turns down a scholarship offer to play for Nebraska to play football in California. Two years later he decides he would have been better off at Nebraska after they have won a national title and Stanford gets a new coach. (He eventually does win the starting QB job and a national title).

Scott comes back to coach Nebraska and in his first year; a player from California decides that he would be better off returning to California leaving him with only one scholarship QB.


I agree 5 days before the start of the season makes a HUGE difference and I am so glad Tyler Wiegers stuck it out for the 2017 season but it does not fit the narrative above.

Fair, but Frost was a starter at Stanford before he decided to transfer. There is a distinction to be made between both scenarios.
 
So basically...just like Frost when he played at Nebraska. Run first guy with an inconsistent arm.

But different style runners. Frost was tough as hell running the ball, just like Frazier and E. Crouch. So I don't necessarily agree that a run first QB won't make it 5 games. Needs to be good at sliding as well.

I was hoping for Martinez to be the #1. He's more dynamic and in Frost's offensive scheme he's harder to defend than Gebbia. That was obvious in the Spring Game, but who knows. His recent shoulder injury in HS should make Husker fans uneasy though. He hasn't proven to be the most durable.

Side note, I like the walk-on QB Andrew Bunch. He can play ball. Could be worse at the #2 QB spot (the last walk-on QB backing Armstrong was way worse).
Haven’t heard from this guy since the week leading up to that 50 point beatdown!

Nice to have you back.

Since you’re here, can you break down how great Iowa was? Also, break down how pathetic Neb was??

Appreciate it.
 
I don't follow Nebraska much, just like I don't follow other similar programs like them such as Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois, or Minnesota.

However, that said, my impression was they've been recruiting ok and just simply can't coach these players and/or they've gotten the wrong type of players for whatever system they've been running (constant coach turnover will do this).

I'm amazed they only have one scholarship QB though. Not that a walk on is the end of the world or anything, but it is highly likely an injury will happen at some time this year and they'll have a walk on QB on the field, which is simply amazing.

I bet if you told a Husker fan back in 1997 that they'd suck 20 years later and be down to possibly starting a walk on QB, they never would have believed you.


^^This.

They don't realize that twenty years and a conference change (one they thought would be better for them) have done to their national brand. Their fans sincerely believe there's something special about Memorial stadium and Lincoln that other places don't have. I don't get it. There really is no difference between them and Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois, etc. anymore. Sure, they have a true "blue blood" history that's as good as any program in the country, and the fact that their success wasn't pre-1970's only legitimizes their 3 decade CFB reign even more, but their inability to recruit with the other traditional powers has been and will continue to seal their fate as an average B1G team. It looks like they may finally have a staff in place that develops players better, but they won't be playing for B1G championships regularly, let alone a natty. Those days are gone. Gotta wonder how long it will take Frost to come to that conclusion and how the fan base will feel about him in 3-4 years when it's clear they're rightful place is the middle of the B1G.
 
^^This.

They don't realize that twenty years and a conference change (one they thought would be better for them) have done to their national brand. Their fans sincerely believe there's something special about Memorial stadium and Lincoln that other places don't have. I don't get it. There really is no difference between them and Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois, etc. anymore. Sure, they have a true "blue blood" history that's as good as any program in the country, and the fact that their success wasn't pre-1970's only legitimizes their 3 decade CFB reign even more, but their inability to recruit with the other traditional powers has been and will continue to seal their fate as an average B1G team. It looks like they may finally have a staff in place that develops players better, but they won't be playing for B1G championships regularly, let alone a natty. Those days are gone. Gotta wonder how long it will take Frost to come to that conclusion and how the fan base will feel about him in 3-4 years when it's clear they're rightful place is the middle of the B1G.

Some of you guys are so clueless in terms of your knowledge of college football that it's comical. Nearly every freaking college football announcer calls Memorial Stadium in Lincoln a "must" for true college football fans. Have you checked out a list of Top 10 college stadiums? Good grief, man, at least try to to look remotely informed.

We've had Top 25 recruiting classes for the last 4 or 5 years, even with Mike Riley's results on the field. And we'll have another one this year as well. We always had the ability to bring in Top 10 recruiting classes in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. We even had the Top class in the nation a couple times. The recruiting hasn't so much been the problem. An idiotic clueless Chancellor that had no idea what he was doing when he made a horrendous hire for an AD was the problem. That has been corrected,

Frost will have us in the B1G Championship game in his 2nd or 3rd year. Winning it will be difficult against the East, but you gotta get to the championship to win it, and Frost has the ability to do that on a fairly regular basis.
 
Actually you completely missed my point. Which was the winter of 17’ we couldn’t hear enough about all the stellar recruits riley brought in and Gebbia and Keyshawn jr being two of them and I think 2 others never even made it to campus. Thing is until some of the guys does something on the field maybe hold off on all the boasting and bragging to other schools such as all husker fans coming here telling us how awesome their recruits will be.

As for the depth comment haven’t heard a husker fan ever say that before with previous coaches or seasons....

If you have heard from Husker fans in recent history about impressive depth, they were blowing smoke. Our depth has been pretty spotty since the early 2000s.
 
I think kids ought to be allowed to transfer, when a coaching change is made, all the way up to the first game. When he realizes that he is not a good fit for the new staff, he shouldn't be penalized in any way. It's not his fault that the coach that recruited him failed to get the job done.
 
I don't know why you are here. I don't know why you are talking. My Hawkeyes kick-off in four days so I'm focused on that. Frost improved depth at every position in 8 months? I grew up amongst Debbie fans. I'm so sick of arrogant Debra fans. What a stupid statement.

Not sure what Debbie fans are, but I really like Little Debbie Swiss Cake Rolls. Yum. Again, why would I trust that you have any idea of what you are talking about? We've brought in 51 new players since Frost took over, and even though our overall talent isn't where they want it yet, the depth has improved significantly.
 
How the F do you know if depth is improved when these players haven't even touched the field. I get the optimism in Huskerland, but damn Frost hasn't even coached a game yet. The big ten is much different than other leagues- I think Nebby found that out when they joined. Frost's flashy offense is all good and great, but do they have a defense? UCF sure didn't. Does Nebby have OL and DL that can hold up every week? There are so many questions yet to be answered, but yet here you are spouting a bunch of BS. Could you be right, sure you could....but my advice would be to stay off opponents boards that just beat you by 30+ points two years in a row.

Hey, I thought being 3-1 against Iowa would keep your fans of our board too... And you know what? It didn't.

How do I know depth has improved? Uh, ever heard of a Depth Chart? There's your answer.
 
Hey, I thought being 3-1 against Iowa would keep your fans of our board too... And you know what? It didn't.

How do I know depth has improved? Uh, ever heard of a Depth Chart? There's your answer.

Just because there are players listed on a depth chart does not translate to improved depth. The point that you didn't understand is that you haven't seen many of those players do anything yet that shows that they are improved over last year.
 
Some of you guys are so clueless in terms of your knowledge of college football that it's comical. Nearly every freaking college football announcer calls Memorial Stadium in Lincoln a "must" for true college football fans. Have you checked out a list of Top 10 college stadiums? Good grief, man, at least try to to look remotely informed.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/adventure/sports/g22522292/college-football-stadiums-ranked/

https://www.nbcsports.com/top-10-college-football-stadiums#slide-11

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2644948-power-ranking-top-25-college-football-stadiums-of-2016

First lists that pop up. None have Memorial in top 10.
 
Hey, I thought being 3-1 against Iowa would keep your fans of our board too... And you know what? It didn't.

How do I know depth has improved? Uh, ever heard of a Depth Chart? There's your answer.

Yes, all teams have them. You have no idea what the quality of the UNL depth is. You only know the quality of some of the starters and they won 4 games last year.
 
Hey, I thought being 3-1 against Iowa would keep your fans of our board too... And you know what? It didn't.

How do I know depth has improved? Uh, ever heard of a Depth Chart? There's your answer.
Let me clear a few things up:
1) You probably don't see hawkeye fans on your board, because your moderator is a complete sissy and can't take it when people post facts that are not pro Nebraska. It is super pathetic. This while we have to read stupid shit daily from people like yourself who make Nebraska fans look like complete idiots.
2) So just to be clear, every team has a depth chart and every team has 85 scholarship players. But can those players play? Is it quality depth? As I said you do not know that because not a single one of these players have played at this level yet......they very well could be super good and heck maybe Nebraska will pull a .500 or better season (LOL at that being an improvement). Maybe Frost will be good, maybe he will not? Without playing a game in the big ten nobody really knows- but don't tell Nebby fans like you that- Frost is 100% Nebby and is the next messiah. Even though for a period of time the same people were ripping his shit bc he went to Stanford.....it is just completely pathetic. Especially after giving up 40+ points to iowa 2 years in a row and then bringing in one of the worst defensive programs in D1 last years staff and thinking the problem is solved.......this isn't the big 12 buddy- we play defense in this league.
 
Not sure what Debbie fans are, but I really like Little Debbie Swiss Cake Rolls. Yum. Again, why would I trust that you have any idea of what you are talking about? We've brought in 51 new players since Frost took over, and even though our overall talent isn't where they want it yet, the depth has improved significantly.
Like I said, Iowa fans are focused on a quality opponent in NIU on Saturday, not your depth chart. If I were you, I'd be just as concerned about a game you have coming up with Troy. Sleep on them and they will beat Nebraska.
 
uhh, the first list has Nebra

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uhh, The first article had Nebraska 1st. Unless I missed something.
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Well I’ll be damned. I swear it wasn’t there the first time I clicked it. 2 out of 3 is still good odds. :p
 
Like I said, Iowa fans are focused on a quality opponent in NIU on Saturday, not your depth chart. If I were you, I'd be just as concerned about a game you have coming up with Troy. Sleep on them and they will beat Nebraska.
They have Colorado before them. I haven’t heard a word on the Buffs from a Nebraska fan. Colorado has some good offense returning and adds a grad transfer with 2,500 yards of offense in his career already.
 
Let me clear a few things up:
1) You probably don't see hawkeye fans on your board, because your moderator is a complete sissy and can't take it when people post facts that are not pro Nebraska. It is super pathetic. This while we have to read stupid shit daily from people like yourself who make Nebraska fans look like complete idiots.
2) So just to be clear, every team has a depth chart and every team has 85 scholarship players. But can those players play? Is it quality depth? As I said you do not know that because not a single one of these players have played at this level yet......they very well could be super good and heck maybe Nebraska will pull a .500 or better season (LOL at that being an improvement). Maybe Frost will be good, maybe he will not? Without playing a game in the big ten nobody really knows- but don't tell Nebby fans like you that- Frost is 100% Nebby and is the next messiah. Even though for a period of time the same people were ripping his shit bc he went to Stanford.....it is just completely pathetic. Especially after giving up 40+ points to iowa 2 years in a row and then bringing in one of the worst defensive programs in D1 last years staff and thinking the problem is solved.......this isn't the big 12 buddy- we play defense in this league.

Was that stream of consciousness? Good heavens, mix in a paragraph or two , my friend. It makes things so much more interesting for the reader.

Seriously, you are bringing up Frost going to Stanford as having some relevance to this exchange? And you thought Nebraska fans were idiots? Okie dokie. Carry on..
 
Was that stream of consciousness? Good heavens, mix in a paragraph or two , my friend. It makes things so much more interesting for the reader.

Seriously, you are bringing up Frost going to Stanford as having some relevance to this exchange? And you thought Nebraska fans were idiots? Okie dokie. Carry on..
Not all Nebraska fans, just ones stupid enough to go a rival teams forum who kicked the living dog shit out of you in recent history and post. Also, how pathetic and self conscious do you have to be to be on an Iowa cite 13 weeks before we even play. Get a job, go to class or better yet stop trolling and go get laid.....yikes
 
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I thought this was a Hawkeye fan page. Our bad

Calm down. I'm just playing around. I don't come here to talk shit, or run down your program. Most of my family is from Iowa, and love the rivalry that is clearly brewing. You've had our number. I just thought that post was a bit ironic. That's all.
 
Calm down. I'm just playing around. I don't come here to talk shit, or run down your program. Most of my family is from Iowa, and love the rivalry that is clearly brewing. You've had our number. I just thought that post was a bit ironic. That's all.
Ironic in that a thread about a Nebraska QB becomes an invitation for a Nebraska fan to tell Iowa fans that Nebraska now has depth at all positions...without playing game one. Ironic like that. I think that is the same Nebraska poster that said your S&C coach is the best in the country and all your players are now at record development levels...after 8 months.
 
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Ironic in that a thread about a Nebraska QB becomes an invitation for a Nebraska fan to tell Iowa fans that Nebraska now has depth at all positions...without playing game one. Ironic like that. I think that is the same Nebraska poster that said your S&C coach is the best in the country and all your players are now at record development levels...after 8 months.

I can't speak for that guy. Again, I'm not here to take shots at your program or talk up mine with nothing to back it. I usually peruse this board so when I hang with my fam I have some talking points when I discuss football with them as it pertains to our two programs. I rarely comment, when I do it is respectful and all in good fun.
 
Yes, all teams have them. You have no idea what the quality of the UNL depth is. You only know the quality of some of the starters and they won 4 games last year.

Sorry, that isn't correct. As Nebraska fans, we know the amount of depth we had last year vs the depth chart this year, and our depth is significantly better than last year. We have some of the same starters back from last year, and some new starters, but there is more depth.

We also know that Mike Riley took the best level of talent in the West coming into the program (on paper) and ran it aground. Frost had the 4th best roster (in terms of talent on paper) in the B1G at his disposal upon his arrival. The issue is how much can he and his staff do with it in 8 months? Maybe not enough to win the West this year, but certainly next year.

I'm quite certain they've improved substantially physically in that time, simply due to the fact that the same Strength and Conditioning staff that had lesser talent at UCF running Auburn ragged in the 4th quarter of their bowl game, is the exact same S&C staff at Nebraska right now. We all know of the gains they've made physically at Nebraska in 8 months. But granted, it's still only 8 months. Give them time.

So...to summarize, we've taken the 4th best talent (on paper) coming into the B1G in the last 5 years, and put it into a S&C program that took 2 and 3 star talent and beat Auburn by being in better physical condition than Auburn. At very least we are going to be physically a much different team than last year, in terms of strength, size, and athleticism.

Then throw in a coaching staff that developed their 2 and 3-star talent at UCF to the point that they could beat an Auburn team with 4 and 5-star talent, and put the Nebraska talent and new atheism in their offensive system that is very difficult to defend, and I think we're going to see much better than 4 wins this year. If you don't believe that, then you're simply lying to yourself to feel good about the season. You know just like everyone else what is about to happen in Lincoln, and you're in denial. After a couple of years, Nebraska will be able to play with and beat any team in the West, and will be able to give most any team in the East a competitive game.

We'll see what those successes will do with our recruiting, but it's safe to say that we'll still be able to bring in the 4th best recruiting classes in the B1G, and that may even improve.
 
I can't speak for that guy. Again, I'm not here to take shots at your program or talk up mine with nothing to back it. I usually peruse this board so when I hang with my fam I have some talking points when I discuss football with them as it pertains to our two programs. I rarely comment, when I do it is respectful and all in good fun.
Let's just watch some football, starting with tonight.
 
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Sorry, that isn't correct. As Nebraska fans, we know the amount of depth we had last year vs the depth chart this year, and our depth is significantly better than last year. We have some of the same starters back from last year, and some new starters, but there is more depth.

We also know that Mike Riley took the best level of talent in the West coming into the program (on paper) and ran it aground. Frost had the 4th best roster (in terms of talent on paper) in the B1G at his disposal upon his arrival. The issue is how much can he and his staff do with it in 8 months? Maybe not enough to win the West this year, but certainly next year.

I'm quite certain they've improved substantially physically in that time, simply due to the fact that the same Strength and Conditioning staff that had lesser talent at UCF running Auburn ragged in the 4th quarter of their bowl game, is the exact same S&C staff at Nebraska right now. We all know of the gains they've made physically at Nebraska in 8 months. But granted, it's still only 8 months. Give them time.

So...to summarize, we've taken the 4th best talent (on paper) coming into the B1G in the last 5 years, and put it into a S&C program that took 2 and 3 star talent and beat Auburn by being in better physical condition than Auburn. At very least we are going to be physically a much different team than last year, in terms of strength, size, and athleticism.

Then throw in a coaching staff that developed their 2 and 3-star talent at UCF to the point that they could beat an Auburn team with 4 and 5-star talent, and put the Nebraska talent and new atheism in their offensive system that is very difficult to defend, and I think we're going to see much better than 4 wins this year. If you don't believe that, then you're simply lying to yourself to feel good about the season. You know just like everyone else what is about to happen in Lincoln, and you're in denial. After a couple of years, Nebraska will be able to play with and beat any team in the West, and will be able to give most any team in the East a competitive game.

We'll see what those successes will do with our recruiting, but it's safe to say that we'll still be able to bring in the 4th best recruiting classes in the B1G, and that may even improve.
Now I'm confused. He had the fourth best roster (if you say that stat exists I believe you) and then you say he brought in 51 new players. How does that math work?
 
Sorry, that isn't correct. As Nebraska fans, we know the amount of depth we had last year vs the depth chart this year, and our depth is significantly better than last year. We have some of the same starters back from last year, and some new starters, but there is more depth.

We also know that Mike Riley took the best level of talent in the West coming into the program (on paper) and ran it aground. Frost had the 4th best roster (in terms of talent on paper) in the B1G at his disposal upon his arrival. The issue is how much can he and his staff do with it in 8 months? Maybe not enough to win the West this year, but certainly next year.

I'm quite certain they've improved substantially physically in that time, simply due to the fact that the same Strength and Conditioning staff that had lesser talent at UCF running Auburn ragged in the 4th quarter of their bowl game, is the exact same S&C staff at Nebraska right now. We all know of the gains they've made physically at Nebraska in 8 months. But granted, it's still only 8 months. Give them time.

So...to summarize, we've taken the 4th best talent (on paper) coming into the B1G in the last 5 years, and put it into a S&C program that took 2 and 3 star talent and beat Auburn by being in better physical condition than Auburn. At very least we are going to be physically a much different team than last year, in terms of strength, size, and athleticism.

Then throw in a coaching staff that developed their 2 and 3-star talent at UCF to the point that they could beat an Auburn team with 4 and 5-star talent, and put the Nebraska talent and new atheism in their offensive system that is very difficult to defend, and I think we're going to see much better than 4 wins this year. If you don't believe that, then you're simply lying to yourself to feel good about the season. You know just like everyone else what is about to happen in Lincoln, and you're in denial. After a couple of years, Nebraska will be able to play with and beat any team in the West, and will be able to give most any team in the East a competitive game.

We'll see what those successes will do with our recruiting, but it's safe to say that we'll still be able to bring in the 4th best recruiting classes in the B1G, and that may even improve.

Great when we start playing "On Paper" then come back.
 
Sorry, that isn't correct. As Nebraska fans, we know the amount of depth we had last year vs the depth chart this year, and our depth is significantly better than last year. We have some of the same starters back from last year, and some new starters, but there is more depth.

We also know that Mike Riley took the best level of talent in the West coming into the program (on paper) and ran it aground. Frost had the 4th best roster (in terms of talent on paper) in the B1G at his disposal upon his arrival. The issue is how much can he and his staff do with it in 8 months? Maybe not enough to win the West this year, but certainly next year.

I'm quite certain they've improved substantially physically in that time, simply due to the fact that the same Strength and Conditioning staff that had lesser talent at UCF running Auburn ragged in the 4th quarter of their bowl game, is the exact same S&C staff at Nebraska right now. We all know of the gains they've made physically at Nebraska in 8 months. But granted, it's still only 8 months. Give them time.

So...to summarize, we've taken the 4th best talent (on paper) coming into the B1G in the last 5 years, and put it into a S&C program that took 2 and 3 star talent and beat Auburn by being in better physical condition than Auburn. At very least we are going to be physically a much different team than last year, in terms of strength, size, and athleticism.

Then throw in a coaching staff that developed their 2 and 3-star talent at UCF to the point that they could beat an Auburn team with 4 and 5-star talent, and put the Nebraska talent and new atheism in their offensive system that is very difficult to defend, and I think we're going to see much better than 4 wins this year. If you don't believe that, then you're simply lying to yourself to feel good about the season. You know just like everyone else what is about to happen in Lincoln, and you're in denial. After a couple of years, Nebraska will be able to play with and beat any team in the West, and will be able to give most any team in the East a competitive game.

We'll see what those successes will do with our recruiting, but it's safe to say that we'll still be able to bring in the 4th best recruiting classes in the B1G, and that may even improve.

Yawn.
 
Unfortunately, the OL will be better this year probably than it will be next year, especially at G-C-G. We are already weak at center, with two walk ons filling the role, but then we lose the interior three to graduation this year, and I'm not sure we have great depth there to begin with. There is another hole in the recruiting at OL because we had a recruiting failure in last year's class, our only commitment didn't get to campus because he didn't qualify, and currently we have two OTs committed. We do have a pretty good juco prospect committed at OG, but it's disapointing that just as soon as our OTs (a True Soph and a RS Soph) come along and should be pretty solid next year, the middle of the line drops. We've gotta shore up the OL recruiting, although this offense does ease the stress on the OL, which is good.

We haven't and won't have trouble getting skill guys (QB, WR, RB, Duck-R) who want to play in this offense as long as Frost can continue with the performances he's had at UO and UCF. The offense should be pretty attractive to TEs as well, and while we blew it with who is now the best TE in the country, we have some pretty decent options. Our OL will continue to be an area where we MUST recruit and develop better.
So how attractive will Frost's offense continue to be in the BIG, if he can't bring the OL up to league standards in short order? I think thats what inquiring minds want to know........:confused:
 
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