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Aug 19, 2013
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.... actually play in person? I have a two buddies that have each a few times and they are split. So widely split that its possible both are wrong. One says he's a future NBA like low post player with a huge reach and a big frame good on both ends. The other says Greg Helmers.

Does anyone have any live information. His obscure part of the state doesn't get much publicity here in the big city.

Thanks for any info boys.
 
The short answer is nobody knows for sure. I don't care how many times you see a kid play in person.

I can say I only saw one of his games on TV (Mediacom thing) and wasn't blown away or anything. But of course nobody performs consistently every night, so he could have easily been having an off game or just a so-so game.

Regardless, I wouldn't put too much stock in what someone says right now about how good he is going to be. If he works hard and has the right attitude, he could be decent. 1st team Big Ten or a Wooden Award watch list candidate seems very unlikely, however. IMHO.
 
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.... actually play in person? I have a two buddies that have each a few times and they are split. So widely split that its possible both are wrong. One says he's a future NBA like low post player with a huge reach and a big frame good on both ends. The other says Greg Helmers.

Does anyone have any live information. His obscure part of the state doesn't get much publicity here in the big city.

Thanks for any info boys.

Your friend must be captain hyperbole. Kreiner has not played a minute of college basketball and he is not even rated in the top 25 of incoming freshman but your buddy has him projected to the NBA?
 
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The short answer is nobody knows for sure. I don't care how many times you see a kid play in person.

I can say I only saw one of his games on TV (Mediacom thing) and wasn't blown away or anything. But of course nobody performs consistently every night, so he could have easily been having an off game or just a so-so game.

Regardless, I wouldn't put too much stock in what someone says right now about how good he is going to be. If he works hard and has the right attitude, he could be decent. 1st team Big Ten or a Wooden Award watch list candidate seems very unlikely, however. IMHO.
nobody thought that White would be a FR AA or a 2nd round NBA draft pick, also nobody predicted that Uthoff would be in the conversation for BT POY or on the Wooden Watch list,

and nobody expected Marble to even get a sniff from the NBA and yet he was a 2nd round pick and is about to finish his 2nd year in the NBA,

with Kreiner he was not the center of his teams Offense as his tean was Guard oriented, with no shot clock he still managed to avg over 21 ppg and going up against the best the AAU Circuit has to offer, he led his AAU team to the Elite 28 Championship by avg'ing 18 ppg and 15 rpg.

as for his leaping ability after doing some looking he had a 6'0 high jump in the State Championship last summer. the last time I watched HS track was 1996 when my oldest was out for track. Kreiner was 6'8 230 lbs when he did that, and it takes some strong leg muscles to clear 6'0' and not knock the bar off.

I feel the doubt are because he is a IA kid and nothing more.
 
nobody thought that White would be a FR AA or a 2nd round NBA draft pick, also nobody predicted that Uthoff would be in the conversation for BT POY or on the Wooden Watch list,

and nobody expected Marble to even get a sniff from the NBA and yet he was a 2nd round pick and is about to finish his 2nd year in the NBA,

with Kreiner he was not the center of his teams Offense as his tean was Guard oriented, with no shot clock he still managed to avg over 21 ppg and going up against the best the AAU Circuit has to offer, he led his AAU team to the Elite 28 Championship by avg'ing 18 ppg and 15 rpg.

as for his leaping ability after doing some looking he had a 6'0 high jump in the State Championship last summer. the last time I watched HS track was 1996 when my oldest was out for track. Kreiner was 6'8 230 lbs when he did that, and it takes some strong leg muscles to clear 6'0' and not knock the bar off.

I feel the doubt are because he is a IA kid and nothing more.

I hope you are right. I hope he comes to Iowa and completely tears up.

My point for the OP was to not get caught up in meaningless predictions from others. Nobody knows for sure. There is a long list of players who flew under the radar in high school then exploded once they got to college. Conversely, there is a long list of players who were highly touted in high school but had a very forgettable, mediocre college career.

You never know.
 
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So after 4 different replies the answer to your questions.....no.
 
I hope you are right. I hope he comes to Iowa and completely tears up.

My point for the OP was to not get caught up in meaningless predictions from others. Nobody knows for sure. There is a long list of players who flew under the radar in high school then exploded once they got to college. Conversely, there is a long list of players who were highly touted in high school but had a very forgettable, mediocre college career.

You never know.

Well, as to the main point of your OP I'm 1000% sure Herby hasn't seen him play in person either... I haven't seen him since his FR or SO year, he was skilled but guys mature at different rates so can't say one way or the other.
 
true enough but Fran has shown he has a very good eye for talent as does Sprewal and he is the one that recruits IA, Fran has had more success than failures in his time here,

I would say that Woodbury and Gesell had a very good career for Fran as they won 89 games went to the NCAA's 3 straight year with back to back 1st round wins, that 89 win total is good for 3rd in IA's 100+ years of BB. also they did have 4 straight 20 REGULAR season wins under one coach which had NEVER happened in IA's history.

the kids that left just did not want to put in the work to improve and or wait their turn.. sometimes coaching determines how good kids turn out, Lohaus was hurt by Ravelling but Davis turned him into a 2nd round NBA Draft Pick,

BJ scored 2.8 ppg as a FR under Ravelling but under Davis he developed into the player he ended up to be. Woolridge played his FR year at Nebraska then played 3 under Davis, Davis was a very good developer of PG's and it was Rudy Washington that developed the Bigs like Lohaus, Earle, Bullard, Bowen, Street and Koch as the most notable.

the bigs in Fran's tenure have all turning out pretty good, White, Basabe started out but faded due to over weight and injuries, Uthoff, Woodbury who led the BT in RPG his SR year. Cole in his 1st year and only year under Fran.
 
Well, as to the main point of your OP I'm 1000% sure Herby hasn't seen him play in person either... I haven't seen him since his FR or SO year, he was skilled but guys mature at different rates so can't say one way or the other.
not In person but I have watched full games of him on TV where you get to see the bad with the good, they do televise IA HS BB on TV at times. but please go on bashing me if it makes you somehow feel superior.
 
I'd say he is somewhere in between the NBA and Helmers. If he is serviceable and shows at least SOME athleticism, I'd be happy. I think Fran has bigger fish he's going after and Kriener is a gap between now and when Fran gets the beast center he dreams of.
 
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I'd say he is somewhere in between the NBA and Helmers. If he is serviceable and shows at least SOME athleticism, I'd be happy. I think Fran has bigger fish he's going after and Kriener is a gap between now and when Fran gets the beast center he dreams of.
what is he supposed to do jump over the Backboard? he has a 6'0 high jump in the State HS Track meet Championship.
 
There are some who say he was unimpressive against certain schools, namely Western Christian I believe. But some teams just have other guys figured out. His tape shows a lot of promise but I think it'll take him some time to develop his footwork in the college game. As long as he's not a BromArch clone, he can be serviceable.
 
I expect him to struggle early, all newcomers do to some extent. My guess is that Kriener will quickly become a whipping boy for the "Fran can't recruit" posters.

What I like about Kriener is his athleticism....which is pretty good for a 6ft10 post player (from what I've seen, which is limited). If he brings the effort (ala Baer) and works hard to improve his shot, I see no reason why he can't make a significant contribution as he gains experience. Give him time.
 
I saw him twice in the regular season and I saw his game at the state tournament. I'm not convinced he's a B10 player, but he has every chance to prove me wrong.
 
There are some who say he was unimpressive against certain schools, namely Western Christian I believe. But some teams just have other guys figured out. His tape shows a lot of promise but I think it'll take him some time to develop his footwork in the college game. As long as he's not a BromArch clone, he can be serviceable.
2nd hand info from family is that he did not look good against western christian. Now, it's only one school. But, it's the best competition he faced.
Maybe he's looked really good on his AAU teams against better competition. Hopefully so, because for the most part the competition he faced in his class and his area of the state is not a good measuring stick for performance at the B1G level.
 
we shall see has he has a offensive mindset vs Woodbury, he also has range to 3 in the State tourney he had 17 Points and had 2 3's and 4 blocks while the guards were launching 3's and forgot about him for the most part,

like I said most are doubting his ability because he is from IA and does not have 4*'S by his name, let this kid come from Chicago or St Louis and you same doubter would/could not say enough good things about him.

Colison played @ Iowa Falls a low level 2A school who went to Kansas, Settles played for a small school in IA,

Kreiner is way ahead of Olaseni at this point in his career, he will not need 2-3 year to be good enough to just play,

as was pointed out in another thread he played 12 games vs 4A teams and avg'd 26+ ppg and avg 18 ppg and 15 rpg Against the best player in the AAU Elite 28 in which his team won the Elite 28 Championship,

will avg 25 and 10 in his 1st year of college NO but then again he won't have to all he needs to do is avg 7-8 ppg and 4-5 rpg and 1 bpg and that is all he needs to do to help make this years team successful, anything over that and he starts to get into BT FR of the year status.

Cook also does need to be A DBL DBL player all he needs to do is do what I expect out of Kreiner, nobody needs to be major scorers as all they need is a pair of DBL Digit scorers and the rest to avg between 7 and 10 ppg and have at least 5 score more than 7 ppg to help the 2 dbl digit scorers. if IA does have 3 dbl digit scorers so much the better, the bench will be just fine but starters for the 4 and 5 will be key as these will start at the 1,2 and 3.

if Fran can have 5 straight post season appearances and 2 straight 1st round wins in the NCAA's.

after 6 years its time we start believing in his ability to recruit players that can and will play in 1 year not after 2-3 years. don't ya think.
 
we shall see has he has a offensive mindset vs Woodbury, he also has range to 3 in the State tourney he had 17 Points and had 2 3's and 4 blocks while the guards were launching 3's and forgot about him for the most part,

like I said most are doubting his ability because he is from IA and does not have 4*'S by his name, let this kid come from Chicago or St Louis and you same doubter would/could not say enough good things about him.

Colison played @ Iowa Falls a low level 2A school who went to Kansas, Settles played for a small school in IA,

Kreiner is way ahead of Olaseni at this point in his career, he will not need 2-3 year to be good enough to just play,

as was pointed out in another thread he played 12 games vs 4A teams and avg'd 26+ ppg and avg 18 ppg and 15 rpg Against the best player in the AAU Elite 28 in which his team won the Elite 28 Championship,

will avg 25 and 10 in his 1st year of college NO but then again he won't have to all he needs to do is avg 7-8 ppg and 4-5 rpg and 1 bpg and that is all he needs to do to help make this years team successful, anything over that and he starts to get into BT FR of the year status.

Cook also does need to be A DBL DBL player all he needs to do is do what I expect out of Kreiner, nobody needs to be major scorers as all they need is a pair of DBL Digit scorers and the rest to avg between 7 and 10 ppg and have at least 5 score more than 7 ppg to help the 2 dbl digit scorers. if IA does have 3 dbl digit scorers so much the better, the bench will be just fine but starters for the 4 and 5 will be key as these will start at the 1,2 and 3.

if Fran can have 5 straight post season appearances and 2 straight 1st round wins in the NCAA's.
we shall see has he has a offensive mindset vs Woodbury, he also has range to 3 in the State tourney he had 17 Points and had 2 3's and 4 blocks while the guards were launching 3's and forgot about him for the most part,

like I said most are doubting his ability because he is from IA and does not have 4*'S by his name, let this kid come from Chicago or St Louis and you same doubter would/could not say enough good things about him.

Colison played @ Iowa Falls a low level 2A school who went to Kansas, Settles played for a small school in IA,

Kreiner is way ahead of Olaseni at this point in his career, he will not need 2-3 year to be good enough to just play,

as was pointed out in another thread he played 12 games vs 4A teams and avg'd 26+ ppg and avg 18 ppg and 15 rpg Against the best player in the AAU Elite 28 in which his team won the Elite 28 Championship,

will avg 25 and 10 in his 1st year of college NO but then again he won't have to all he needs to do is avg 7-8 ppg and 4-5 rpg and 1 bpg and that is all he needs to do to help make this years team successful, anything over that and he starts to get into BT FR of the year status.

Cook also does need to be A DBL DBL player all he needs to do is do what I expect out of Kreiner, nobody needs to be major scorers as all they need is a pair of DBL Digit scorers and the rest to avg between 7 and 10 ppg and have at least 5 score more than 7 ppg to help the 2 dbl digit scorers. if IA does have 3 dbl digit scorers so much the better, the bench will be just fine but starters for the 4 and 5 will be key as these will start at the 1,2 and 3.

if Fran can have 5 straight post season appearances and 2 straight 1st round wins in the NCAA's.

after 6 years its time we start believing in his ability to recruit players that can and will play in 1 year not after 2-3 years. don't ya think.

after 6 years its time we start believing in his ability to recruit players that can and will play in 1 year not after 2-3 years. don't ya think.
.... actually play in person? I have a two buddies that have each a few times and they are split. So widely split that its possible both are wrong. One says he's a future NBA like low post player with a huge reach and a big frame good on both ends. The other says Greg Helmers.

Does anyone have any live information. His obscure part of the state doesn't get much publicity here in the big city.

Thanks for any info boys.


I'm looking forward to seeing a post player for Iowa with some post moves and that can make bunnies. After 4 years watching Woody shoot 50% on layups, It would be nice to see someone with some footwork and post moves actually give us a post game.
 
Gilligan19 is the Elite28 title you are talking about the league in Sioux City? And that 6' high jump is quite impressive.

Nice set of posts
 
If Greg Marshall thought he was worthy fo an offer, than I think he's got big upside. I saw the tourney game that they lost on tv, and thought he had good feet, a nice touch and ran the floor very well. He also didn't force it, but was not timid against zones and that literally collapsed 3 guys on him every time he touched the ball.
 
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.... actually play in person? I have a two buddies that have each a few times and they are split. So widely split that its possible both are wrong. One says he's a future NBA like low post player with a huge reach and a big frame good on both ends. The other says Greg Helmers.

Does anyone have any live information. His obscure part of the state doesn't get much publicity here in the big city.

Thanks for any info boys.

Nope, never saw him play. Probably never will.

There is this Kriener kid though that signed to play for the Hawkeys, I am pretty excited to see in Iowa City!
 
Have not seen him in person, but saw him play a couple times on TV. I believe Wichita State, Minnesota, Creighton and a couple mid-majors offered him, so that is somewhat encouraging. Limited sample size, but I thought he ran the floor fairly well, had a nice touch around the basket, knocked down a couple jumpers and 3's. He is a willing dunker, meaning he can and wants to dunk on people.

Definitely not Helmers and definitely not NBA. If I had to compare him to someone, I would say Russ Millard.
 
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I can tell you he is NOTHING like Greg Helmers. He has quick feet, runs well, has hops and can step out and shoot.

Yeah, if you watch more than 5 seconds of any tape on him you can tell that Helmers would be an odd ball comparison.

You can have a bad opinion of a guy but if you have to stoop to bringing up Helmes your just not very adept at making comparisons.
 
Gilligan19 is the Elite28 title you are talking about the league in Sioux City? And that 6' high jump is quite impressive.

Nice set of posts

Meh, 6'01 isn't bad, but that's not a great height. His best jump last year was the 72nd best in Iowa last year. There was a kid from West Burlington that jumped 7'01.
 
I should have added my facetious meter SSG T.

Just an FYI, Gilligans praise may not be as sincere as it appears.
 
Very difficult for big guys to excel in today's college be world, they get the crap beat out of them and asked to set numerous ball screens 20 feet from the bucket which every other one is now called moving. Personally, I think the big guys who were thin and had to develop ball skills are the way to go. If Kriener could get to be a player like Costello from Mich at 4 years down the one that would be awesome. Hopefully, he can rebound, set screens, and take up space.
 
I saw him play as a Jr. not as a Sr. though. And against Western Christian. He had very good foot work but struggled to get a shot go down for him. A lot can happen in 1 year though. I hope he proves most wrong and is awesome!!
 
.... actually play in person? I have a two buddies that have each a few times and they are split. So widely split that its possible both are wrong. One says he's a future NBA like low post player with a huge reach and a big frame good on both ends. The other says Greg Helmers.

Does anyone have any live information. His obscure part of the state doesn't get much publicity here in the big city.

Thanks for any info boys.
I've seen him play multiple times. He is a pretty good athlete. He has a B1G body. He has an attitude. He was slowed down against other solid post players. He played with some really good guards too so teams couldn't just key on him. He moves well for a big guy, passes well, and has a nice shot.

I think he has the tools to be a contributer in the future but I would put him the the project category at this point.
 
As have others I've only seen him against Western. I hope I'm wrong and Fran is right.
 
I expect him to struggle early, all newcomers do to some extent. My guess is that Kriener will quickly become a whipping boy for the "Fran can't recruit" posters.

What I like about Kriener is his athleticism....which is pretty good for a 6ft10 post player (from what I've seen, which is limited). If he brings the effort (ala Baer) and works hard to improve his shot, I see no reason why he can't make a significant contribution as he gains experience. Give him time.
We just finished with 4 years of Adam Woodbury in the post. He is many things Woody was not. He can hit a 3 and dunk with intent. I'm ready to embrace the change and see how it plays out.
 
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All the talk about his games against Western, they triple teamed him immediately every time he touched the ball. Nobody is going to put up numbers against that.
He is fundamentally sound, has a nice jumper, good feet and hands, and a B10 body. I would say he developes in to a nice stretch 4-5
 
Gilligan19 is the Elite28 title you are talking about the league in Sioux City? And that 6' high jump is quite impressive.

Nice set of posts
no the Elite 28 was on the National AAU circuit
also another note Bohanon was the PG on that team, the year before that AAU team had PG Bohanon, SF Pemsyl and C Kreiner and that team won the U16 AAU Title. this bodes well for team Chemistry.

Kreiner is a offensive threat inside and out, something Woody wasn't, he also has longer arms,

he runs very well for his size, and yes he was often tripled teamed when got the ball down low, again having watched him on TV or streaming I got to see the struggles and the domination tis kid went thru. he played his best vs 4A schools. I don't judge kids off of High lights as you never get to missed shots or missed FT's.

nor do you get to see if they are lazy/loafing going up and down the floor, this where Kreiner reminded me of White always running and likes to attack the rim and dunk the ball. for some he will be a major upgrade over Woody when it comes to dunking and scoring.

in my opinion right now he is as ready as Gabe was as a JR, but a better scorer.
 
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