How do you figure that Cook will be a "real post type player and strong rebounder," but Wagner won't?
Need help, has anyone seen Kreiner....
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This high jumping thing is really a red herring.
It doesn't translate well to most of what you need to do on the court.
Think about it. High jumping is a precisely technical take off from one specific foot after a very specific run up that accelerates from linear to curved in a precisely timed manner over a specific distance.
How often does that come up in the course of a game?
Much more useful in basketball to be able to jump straight up off 2 feet as quick as possible.
must not watch that much BB as many do not dunk from a flat footed stance, most do it on the fly. even on the alley oop they do it on a 0ne step then dunk. this is where being a high jumper will help. he does have a long wingspan which Woody did not have. this is what hurt Woody on layups and some of his dunks no real lift and short arms, Kriener as both,
again he proved himself on the AAU Circuit against the best the Elite 28 had to offer, where he avg'd 18 ppg and 15 rpg. he was not playing abainst 6'2 to 6'5 players either, he was going up against 6'9 + players in every game, to me jumping 6' in the State Championshipis not mediocre. only those that wnt to tear him down to make themselves feel better about him needing 2-3 years before he can {or be able to play at the D1 LEVEL} crowd.
some just refuse to give Fran any credit at all. as they want somebody to deliver what they feel is their god's given rignt to having, BT championships and FF's.
I was asking if it might be useful from someone that has practiced and participated as a high jumper. I don't know the answer, but I do know that timing and footwork are important in BBall. The jump is totally different, and not what I was referencing. To me it seems high jumping emphasizes footwork and timing because of the limited approach, and takeoff for maximum performance.
One of the greatest college players I've ever seen was Sullinger (tOSU), in large part because of his amazing footwork in the post. If being a quick leaper was all it took in BBall, Gabe would have been an all-time great at Iowa. He had a long way to go on his footwork when he arrived at Iowa though. I'm not saying being a high jumper will translate directly to BBall skills, but could make Ryan more cognizant of footwork and timing as a BBall player.
I haven't seen enough video of Kriener to get a feel for his game, but I do look forward to seeing who steps up next year, when most of the team will be made up of freshmen and sophomores.
Yes, technique is extremely important in high jump. It's probably just as important (if not more so) than raw explosiveness in general. From experience, there was a guy who went to my school who had a much higher standing vertical than me. But he never really took the high jump seriously (he was also a great sprinter) and never honed his technique, so I was able to outjump him in meets.
As someone said above, Kriener's high jumping is a bit of a red herring. I wouldn't use it either as a positive or a negative indictment of his athleticism without knowing more. Like others, I've only seen him play once or twice. I liked what I saw basketball-wise and he seemed like a good enough athlete, but it was also against small schools. I think a realistic expectation for him would be that he is hopefully a solid part of the rotation in a year or two.
Sorry, I should have responded to this one as well. I can't really speak to how the footwork in high jump would translate to basketball. I'm sure for some it might be useful (in the sense that you are perhaps more aware of your body position), but it's also so different that it wouldn't be directly translatable. Also, despite high jumping, I was a pretty crappy basketball player, haha. I could dunk and grab rebounds, but couldn't dribble or shoot to save my life
Not VB, but Cook is at least an inch taller and 20 lbs heavier than Wagner, and probably more on both counts. Both Wagner and Cook can jump through the roof but Cook's mass alone is enough to play stronger interior defense and block out. Wagner could be a great rebounding presence with Cook because Cook has the capacity to move the other team's best rebounders out of position. I also think that Jones will benefit from having Cook's inside presence as Jones really has a nose for the ball, especially on the defensive end, but he can get pushed out. Getting those defensive rebounds would be a great thing for a young Iowa team to get the break started on an opponent's missed shots.
Here is the Kilroy we know and despise. Making brash comments basically stated vast majority of fans aren't giving Fran any credit and demanding final 4s and big ten championships. Yet when reading through this thread no one is bashing Fran, let alone his recruitment and signing of Kriener as most of them here including myself think in few years he can be a solid post player for the Hawks. And ZERO mentions of anyone complaining about lack of big 10 championships and Final 4s. I'm sure in other threads you can find one or 2 but leave it to old Kilroy to spin it in his typical crazy fashion.
I'm not arguing with the idea that Cook will be a better post player than Wagner (because I agree), but we've already seen Wagner be a solid rebounding presence with Uhl/Uthoff at the 4. He's shown he's perfectly capable of being a "real post type player and strong rebounder" so I was curious why VB chose not to include him.
http://www.iahsaa.org/Track/2015/index.htm
Maybe you can help. Am I reading this wrong or did only nine kids in the State meet (4A) do better than Kriener's best?
Regardless of his high jump prowess (can't believe this thread has evolved into a debate on that single comment), I think he will be productive. At least earlier in his career when he was in New Hampton, I liken his game a bit to Seth Tuttle. Good back to the basket player, good passer, and range out to 3 when left open.
Class isn't as relevant in track as in team sports. If you look at the 2A results, they performed better overall than the 4A class did at high jump
48 boys in Iowa (all classes) jumped 6'1" or higher at the state meet. Like I've said - 6'0"-6'1" isn't a very impressive number, but it also shouldn't be used to write off his athleticism.
This post is full of incorrect assumptions, antagonistic accusations, pointless and ignorant but entertaining none the less. All of what I expect out of a Kilroy post.
I'm going to have to take away your "like" for that response.Sorry, I should have responded to this one as well. I can't really speak to how the footwork in high jump would translate to basketball. I'm sure for some it might be useful (in the sense that you are perhaps more aware of your body position), but it's also so different that it wouldn't be directly translatable. Also, despite high jumping, I was a pretty crappy basketball player, haha. I could dunk and grab rebounds, but couldn't dribble or shoot to save my life
Next year we are devoid of experience, and we need all the optimism we can muster. The correct answer was high jumping equates to 5 extra points and rebounds per game in BBall. Thanks for the opinion. I know the correlation between sports isn't direct, but it doesn't hurt to participate in a sport where balance, footwork, and explosiveness are key.
I'm going to have to take away your "like" for that response.
Thanks for the opinion. I know the correlation between sports isn't direct, but it doesn't hurt to participate in a sport where balance, footwork, and explosiveness are key.
Excellent post and there's the key, good athlete's are often good at many sports. I think we've established that 6' isn't some incredible thing, but pretty darned good after all.
As to the part in bold. Optimism? Shoot, many must be coaxed from under the bed. I say let them stay there.
So he's a good defender, but has a tendency to Fosbury Flop?
Considering you just repeated what was already said above in this thread, which I both read and am well aware of btw.......I'd say it was much more successful than you give it credit for.
I don't know what's so suspicious about my posting history. It's typically out there for everyone to read. I don't know how to make ghost threads. In fact I'm pretty sure they axed that when they changed the website format.Lol you should probably stop talking. (Why?) If any team wants to triple team Kriener Iowa would destroy them. (I agree...which is why I didn't say they would.
