Need help, has anyone seen Kreiner....

[jasonrann]

I have seen Kriener play a couple times and came away impressed. He didn’t put up big numbers in either game, but he was triple teamed most of both games. He is a big kid with a nice frame and runs the floor very well. He also has very good hands, can score with his back to the basket with range out to the three point line. I think he has worked on his outside shooting since I saw him play. The other thing I liked about him is he goes to the basket hard in traffic, he attacks the rim. From what I understand, he was very impressive in AAU ball last summer. I am sure he will have his struggles in year one, but if he keeps getting stronger while currently being at 6’10’’ with very long reach, he could be a good one. The Helmers comparisons are ridiculous, that is for damn sure.

 

[TouchdownHawks]

Take Morrow from Nebby, huge expectations with barely a whimper this year.. Give Kreiner some time to develop, he has the body, the hops, and potential inside out offensive tools... Love his upside

 

[hooper56]

I have only seen video but what I have seen makes me really happy he is a hawk. He has decent footwork and some good low post moves. He is long. He has long arms and he moves well. Can shoot a little bit. If he can come in and guard the post and get some rebounds his first two years I will be really happy as that is all we need at first. If by his Jr year he is a scoring option in the post as well as a capable defender I will be more than excited. I just have the feeling that if Kriener goes to UNI then in two years he comes back to haunt us and we would be mad we didn't recruit him. I bet he gets minutes this year.

As far as if he has an NBA career waiting....hard to say. He has the size to make it and perhaps the skill. Does he have the desire, attitude, and work ethic? We will find out. I know he will get the coaching he needs.

 

[David1979]

I would lean towards the one saying he is a future NBA player being wrong.

 

[David1979]

no the Elite 28 was on the National AAU circuit
also another note Bohanon was the PG on that team, the year before that AAU team had PG Bohanon, SF Pemsyl and C Kreiner and that team won the U16 AAU Title. this bodes well for team Chemistry.

Kreiner is a offensive threat inside and out, something Woody wasn't, he also has longer arms,

he runs very well for his size, and yes he was often tripled teamed when got the ball down low, again having watched him on TV or streaming I got to see the struggles and the domination tis kid went thru. he played his best vs 4A schools. I don't judge kids off of High lights as you never get to missed shots or missed FT's.

nor do you get to see if they are lazy/loafing going up and down the floor, this where Kreiner reminded me of White always running and likes to attack the rim and dunk the ball. for some he will be a major upgrade over Woody when it comes to dunking and scoring.

in my opinion right now he is as ready as Gabe was as a JR, but a better scorer.

you are funny

 

[TripleCherry]

you are funny

Strokes, lost bait shop empires, multiple dead family members, conniving password changing children and illiteracy are not laughing matters.

 

[Ycusi]

Strokes, lost bait shop empires, multiple dead family members, conniving password changing children and illiteracy are not laughing matters.

This has definitely been missing.........till it's missing again.

 

[Woodycantjump55]

nobody thought that White would be a FR AA or a 2nd round NBA draft pick, also nobody predicted that Uthoff would be in the conversation for BT POY or on the Wooden Watch list,

and nobody expected Marble to even get a sniff from the NBA and yet he was a 2nd round pick and is about to finish his 2nd year in the NBA,

with Kreiner he was not the center of his teams Offense as his tean was Guard oriented, with no shot clock he still managed to avg over 21 ppg and going up against the best the AAU Circuit has to offer, he led his AAU team to the Elite 28 Championship by avg'ing 18 ppg and 15 rpg.

as for his leaping ability after doing some looking he had a 6'0 high jump in the State Championship last summer. the last time I watched HS track was 1996 when my oldest was out for track. Kreiner was 6'8 230 lbs when he did that, and it takes some strong leg muscles to clear 6'0' and not knock the bar off.

I feel the doubt are because he is a IA kid and nothing more.

I jumped 6'0 in high school as well with my chicken legs and I wouldn't say it's because of form either. You can't tell me my chicken legs were stronger then woodburys legs either and we all know he can't jump

 

[Suterman]

It's going to be fun to see how the pieces fit together next year. There is a lot of talent coming in (and already here), including Kriener, but very little experience (including Kriener). We shall see but at this point none of us can know what he will contribute.

 

[gilligan19]

I jumped 6'0 in high school as well with my chicken legs and I wouldn't say it's because of form either. You can't tell me my chicken legs were stronger then woodburys legs either and we all know he can't jump

and you are/were not 6'8 240 lbs either when you did it. at that height and weight that takes some serious leg muscles, also Kreiner had a shot put throw of 40' with a 12 lb ball. not sure how good or bad that is at the HS level.

to me that should show he has pretty good arm strength and should help in his leg strength. it is going to be fun watching these guys at the PTL.

 

[unoHawkeye]

and you are/were not 6'8 240 lbs either when you did it. at that height and weight that takes some serious leg muscles, also Kreiner had a shot put throw of 40' with a 12 lb ball. not sure how good or bad that is at the HS level.

to me that should show he has pretty good arm strength and should help in his leg strength. it is going to be fun watching these guys at the PTL.

FWIW, I threw 45' with the standard 12 lb high school shot only really having thrown my junior/senior year. That was slightly above average in Nebraska (48'-50' depending on your district would make state in Class A-largest in Nebraska), but I imagine it's around average/slightly below average in Iowa.

Shot put is about form anyways (albeit less so than discus) so a good shot throw would speak more to his footwork/explosiveness than his arm strength.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

Well he sounds like Wilt Chamberlain. Wilt threw the shot and high jumped, as well as sprinted. So I'm going to be crushed if averages less than 40 and 20, and leads the B!G in assists at least once.

Thanks again for the input. I am much more excited by this incoming class than last year's group. Part of the enthusiasm is three of the guys are already teammates and have played well together historically. Perhaps not likely, but certainly foreseeable, three of the freshmen could be starting by the season's end.

 

[RocknRollface]

I think you need new sources.

Neither seems very accurate.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Russ Millard is a great comparison, but not quite as bulky.......yet!

If you are comparing size, they were about the same. Russ was 6'8" 240, Ryan 6'9" 240. Kreiner passes the eye test on size for sure. Give him 6 months with the Iowa strength & conditioning staff, and he will definitely look the part.

I have only barely seen him play, but I thought of Russ Millard too. If he can be as good as Millard, then Fran has scored himself a heck of a player! We will see how Ryan's defensive game is. That's where we will need him, and Pemsl and Cook, to really help out and emerge quickly. I am guessing Fran & Co will hit that the first day they step on campus. Replacing the league leader in rebounding and his Defense will be tough to do. Woody was a badass on the defensive end...

I think offensively our new guys will do fine. Freeing them of double and triple teams will help out significantly.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

All the talk about his games against Western, they triple teamed him immediately every time he touched the ball. Nobody is going to put up numbers against that.
He is fundamentally sound, has a nice jumper, good feet and hands, and a B10 body. I would say he developes in to a nice stretch 4-5

Yeah but Western Christian also has so many D-1 players on their all-star roster. It should be disconcerting that they shut him down.

Just think if all those D-1 players from Western wound up at Wisconsin....Iowa would be up sh** creek on an annual basis against the Badgers (or I guess worse than they are now...........)

 

[iahawkeyes17]

and you are/were not 6'8 240 lbs either when you did it. at that height and weight that takes some serious leg muscles, also Kreiner had a shot put throw of 40' with a 12 lb ball. not sure how good or bad that is at the HS level.

to me that should show he has pretty good arm strength and should help in his leg strength. it is going to be fun watching these guys at the PTL.

6'00" no matter the height and size in Iowa HS is average and in larger meets will rarely win you the meet.. Been a while but High Jumped in HS and saw guys as small as 5'6 to as tall as 6'9" clear that height. Think you are over blowing that accomplishment. Is it good, yes, anything to brag about, not really. Under old rules when they took top 16 for each class during the season 6'00 wouldn't even qualify you for state, now with districts it is possible.

As for Kreiner maybe its just me but I could easily see him as a red shirt candidate next year.

 

[gilligan19]

Meh, 6'01 isn't bad, but that's not a great height. His best jump last year was the 72nd best in Iowa last year. There was a kid from West Burlington that jumped 7'01.

just how much did that kid weigh and how tall was he, and where was that 7' high jumper certainly not at the state Chanpionship. Kriener was 6'8 240 lbs at the time, and now he is 2" taller and still weighs the same.

when I look at his numbers for the entire season and remember that IA does not have a shot clock nor is he the focal point of his teams offense and to avg 21+ ppg and 10+ rpg, now that takes some doing,

he has long arms and attacks the Basket like White did, also he reminds me Jake Jaacks in the way he plays, nobody is going to push this kid around, nor will he back down for anybody

 

[gilligan19]

6'00" no matter the height and size in Iowa HS is average and in larger meets will rarely win you the meet.. Been a while but High Jumped in HS and saw guys as small as 5'6 to as tall as 6'9" clear that height. Think you are over blowing that accomplishment. Is it good, yes, anything to brag about, not really. Under old rules when they took top 16 for each class during the season 6'00 wouldn't even qualify you for state, now with districts it is possible.

As for Kreiner maybe its just me but I could easily see him as a red shirt candidate next year.

since posters were claiming that Woody couldn't jump over a phone book Kriener is a major improvement. Also Kreiner did his in the State Track meet Championship, he did not do it at some low level JR HS meet.

why all the doubt?

 

[jasonrann]

just how much did that kid weigh and how tall was he, and where was that 7' high jumper certainly not at the state Chanpionship. Kriener was 6'8 240 lbs at the time, and now he is 2" taller and still weighs the same.

when I look at his numbers for the entire season and remember that IA does not have a shot clock nor is he the focal point of his teams offense and to avg 21+ ppg and 10+ rpg, now that takes some doing,

he has long arms and attacks the Basket like White did, also he reminds me Jake Jaacks in the way he plays, nobody is going to push this kid around, nor will he back down for anybody

Impressive numbers and indicative of getting his points in a lot of different ways. In the two games I saw, he was double or triple teamed any time he touched the ball in the post. He was pretty comfortable taking shots out to 15' and he has worked on his game to go further out since I saw him play. Should be a fun recruit to watch.

 

[FranklinHawk]

just how much did that kid weigh and how tall was he, and where was that 7' high jumper certainly not at the state Chanpionship. Kriener was 6'8 240 lbs at the time, and now he is 2" taller and still weighs the same.

when I look at his numbers for the entire season and remember that IA does not have a shot clock nor is he the focal point of his teams offense and to avg 21+ ppg and 10+ rpg, now that takes some doing,

he has long arms and attacks the Basket like White did, also he reminds me Jake Jaacks in the way he plays, nobody is going to push this kid around, nor will he back down for anybody

Not a focal point of the offense? He took 325 shots for Spirit Lake last year (27% of their total shots) and one of their guards took 335. The next highest shot total was 113.

I think Kreiner will turn out fine, but continuing to make crap up is only going to continue to get you called out on these threads.

 

[whatsup13579er]

Kreiner is a pretty good athlete, especially at 6-9. I think he will be a fine player for Fran. I also think he would benefit greatly from a RS. Playing against B1G post players is going to be a big adjustment from playing against 6-2 posts in the Lakes Conference. I see him ending up a lot like Costello from MSU. Does a lot of things well but nothing elite.

 

[gilligan19]

Not a focal point of the offense? He took 325 shots for Spirit Lake last year (27% of their total shots) and one of their guards took 335. The next highest shot total was 113.

I think Kreiner will turn out fine, but continuing to make crap up is only going to continue to get you called out on these threads.

not making thing up as he got his shots off of rebounds remember he did avg a dbl digits in rebounding, a lot of people were disappointed in Woody for getting the rebound and going up strong to the basket.

White did most of his scoring around the Basket, he took 328 shots and made 52.6% and 35.6% of his 3's plus his biggest asset was he shot 238 FT and made 195 for a 81.9% rate, was he the focal point of Fran's offense? White also led IA for 4 years in rebounding,, rebounding at a high rate leads to scoring at a high rate, putbacks layups, and short jump shots, something Woody did not do a lot of but most wanted to see out of him,

do I expect Kriener to be a dbl dbl player his 1st year, H((( NO, what I expect him to be rebounding force in the paint and get a few put backs and avg 7-8 ppg and 4-5 rpg just like I expect Cook to do the same.

neither will need to carry this team in scoring as Fran will have more options who can score. unlike in the 15-15 season, its just a matter of who will step up to be that 3rd scorer, will it be Williams or will Ellingson break out this year or maybe Moss, the options are there.

go to the PTL and watch to see who might step up and watch Cook and Kriener battle when they are matched up against each other.

 

[buttermypancakes]

Yeah but Western Christian also has so many D-1 players on their all-star roster. It should be disconcerting that they shut him down.

Just think if all those D-1 players from Western wound up at Wisconsin....Iowa would be up sh** creek on an annual basis against the Badgers (or I guess worse than they are now...........)

Lol you should probably stop talking. If any team wants to triple team Kriener Iowa would destroy them. Iowa wouldn't be playing a bunch of other shitty high school players that can't contribute. I'm hoping I didn't catch your sarcasm but you've had a suspect posting history so you were probably being serious.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Promoting a 6 foot high jump clearance as something impressive demonstrates a real lack of understanding as to its relevance.

He may or may not turn out to be a good player at the B1G level. I haven't seen or heard anything yet that would suggest he'll be a contributor right away. Least of all clearing 6 ft. in the high jump at a high school track meet.

 

[skallday]

As a former mediocre high jumper (who also cleared 6 feet in high school), add me to the chorus of being unimpressed with a 6 foot high jump. And that's true *especially* at that body height. Most elite-level high jumpers are tall - in the 6'3" to 6'7" range or so - and have long legs. The higher center of balance makes it easier to clear the bar, even with a less-than-amazing vertical jump. Granted, they tend to not be as bulky as Kriener appears to be, but a 6 foot jump is not really a noteworthy accomplishment at the high school level.

And I don't mean that necessarily as a knock on Kriener! I like that he brings a lot of other things to the table and can really grow into being a valuable contributor down the line (though probably not right away) for the Hawks. It's just that his high jump isn't what's impressive about him - it's his overall versatility and the ability to finish at the rim, shoot from outside, rebound and defend.

 

[hooper56]

I don't know a thing about Kriener high jumping. But I know if he has the basketball under the rim he can rise up with a defender on each side of him him and throw down a dunk with extreme prejudice. Which is good enough for me..

 

[Tunadog]

Yeah but Western Christian also has so many D-1 players on their all-star roster. It should be disconcerting that they shut him down.

Just think if all those D-1 players from Western wound up at Wisconsin....Iowa would be up sh** creek on an annual basis against the Badgers (or I guess worse than they are now...........)

I don't know what you're up to, but I don't like it one bit. If D-1 is code for Dordt College, then your post makes a little sense, though I'm still trying to decipher your Wisconsin reference. Also, why would it be disconcerting if Kreiner was shut down by a team full of D-1 players, unless it was actually a team full of future Dordt players, which would make it even more disconcerting? Dammit, now you're just confusing me. I've got my eye on you, Monkey Man. BTW, sarcasm noted.

 

[jasonrann]

I don't know a thing about Kriener high jumping. But I know if he has the basketball under the rim he can rise up with a defender on each side of him him and throw down a dunk with extreme prejudice. Which is good enough for me..

Exactly right Hooper. I have also seen him attack going through people. I like it!

 

[EZ2BJZ]

and you are/were not 6'8 240 lbs either when you did it. at that height and weight that takes some serious leg muscles, also Kreiner had a shot put throw of 40' with a 12 lb ball. not sure how good or bad that is at the HS level.

to me that should show he has pretty good arm strength and should help in his leg strength. it is going to be fun watching these guys at the PTL.

Calf muscles are secondary in importance to having a good vertical leap. You're quads and gluts are most important. That's why we were always taught to focus on squats and lunges when lifting in high school.

That's why we had guys (football players) who weren't taller than 5'9/5'10 who could dunk a basketball rather easily. It had nothing to do with their calf muscles. It's because they were able to squat a ton. And yes, they were white.

 

[David1979]

This thread title makes me laugh. It sounds like Kriener is a missing person.

 

[Vbeachawk]

If Kreiner has some Jacob Jaacks attitude in him, I like it a lot! Imo, Kreiner will do just fine and will see plenty of playing time his freshman year as will Cook.

 

[David1979]

If Kriener is playing a lot as a Freshman that is probably not a good sign for Iowa.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

If Kreiner has some Jacob Jaacks attitude in him, I like it a lot! Imo, Kreiner will do just fine and will see plenty of playing time his freshman year as will Cook.

I'm just curious how many minutes you see Kreiner getting next year. Assuming there are no more defections, injuries, and Jones is fully healthy, it seems he would be pretty low on the depth chart behind Wagner, Jones, Uhl, and we all assume Cook.

 

[whatsup13579er]

I'm just curious how many minutes you see Kreiner getting next year. Assuming there are no more defections, injuries, and Jones is fully healthy, it seems he would be pretty low on the depth chart behind Wagner, Jones, Uhl, and we all assume Cook.

Hopefully 0. He should RS. Fran should have enough at the 4/5 spot with Wagner, Jones, Uhl, Cook, and Baer.

 

[TJHawkeye]

What would Woodbury's high jump have been? I'm thinking 4'.

 

[Hawkdogwoof]

Yeah but Western Christian also has so many D-1 players on their all-star roster. It should be disconcerting that they shut him down.

Just think if all those D-1 players from Western wound up at Wisconsin....Iowa would be up sh** creek on an annual basis against the Badgers (or I guess worse than they are now...........)

Well those hand picked players at Western are pretty good and if a college tries that Kriener would be dumping it off to other D1 players.
Your attempt at being a douche bag was almost a success.

 

[Vbeachawk]

Imo, Cook and Kreiner will be the only real post type players and strong rebounders on the team next year. I would not be surprised to see them, as a tandem, average around 25 minutes for the season. I think Pemsl may be the red shirt candidate.

 

[DogBoyRy]

I have seen Kriener play a couple times and came away impressed. He didn’t put up big numbers in either game, but he was triple teamed most of both games. He is a big kid with a nice frame and runs the floor very well. He also has very good hands, can score with his back to the basket with range out to the three point line. I think he has worked on his outside shooting since I saw him play. The other thing I liked about him is he goes to the basket hard in traffic, he attacks the rim. From what I understand, he was very impressive in AAU ball last summer. I am sure he will have his struggles in year one, but if he keeps getting stronger while currently being at 6’10’’ with very long reach, he could be a good one. The Helmers comparisons are ridiculous, that is for damn sure.

Barnstormer would be best evaluation but many know who he is so will have to keep it generic.
The dude does know AAU and bball.
BSTORMER??
Where are you on him.
While you're at talk Weisy - good as advertised?

 

[seer_hawk]

As a former mediocre high jumper (who also cleared 6 feet in high school), add me to the chorus of being unimpressed with a 6 foot high jump. And that's true *especially* at that body height. Most elite-level high jumpers are tall - in the 6'3" to 6'7" range or so - and have long legs. The higher center of balance makes it easier to clear the bar, even with a less-than-amazing vertical jump. Granted, they tend to not be as bulky as Kriener appears to be, but a 6 foot jump is not really a noteworthy accomplishment at the high school level.

And I don't mean that necessarily as a knock on Kriener! I like that he brings a lot of other things to the table and can really grow into being a valuable contributor down the line (though probably not right away) for the Hawks. It's just that his high jump isn't what's impressive about him - it's his overall versatility and the ability to finish at the rim, shoot from outside, rebound and defend.

High jumping takes a lot of practice on footwork does it not? While his results were mediocre that's not all bad for a post player in BBall.

 

[goodbyebobby]

not making thing up as he got his shots off of rebounds remember he did avg a dbl digits in rebounding, a lot of people were disappointed in Woody for getting the rebound and going up strong to the basket.

White did most of his scoring around the Basket, he took 328 shots and made 52.6% and 35.6% of his 3's plus his biggest asset was he shot 238 FT and made 195 for a 81.9% rate, was he the focal point of Fran's offense? White also led IA for 4 years in rebounding,, rebounding at a high rate leads to scoring at a high rate, putbacks layups, and short jump shots, something Woody did not do a lot of but most wanted to see out of him,

do I expect Kriener to be a dbl dbl player his 1st year, H((( NO, what I expect him to be rebounding force in the paint and get a few put backs and avg 7-8 ppg and 4-5 rpg just like I expect Cook to do the same.

neither will need to carry this team in scoring as Fran will have more options who can score. unlike in the 15-15 season, its just a matter of who will step up to be that 3rd scorer, will it be Williams or will Ellingson break out this year or maybe Moss, the options are there.

go to the PTL and watch to see who might step up and watch Cook and Kriener battle when they are matched up against each other.

You expect two freshman to average 4.5 and 7.5 each next year?