We all know the problem with football and Kirks inability to look at Brian’s performance with a critical eye or just the perpetuation of Kirks problems with Brian as the OC. The basketball team is worse in my opinion. When you have two sons on the team who are not stars and possibly taking up two starting spots that hurts recruiting better players for their playing time. They are also influencing their dad on which recruits they like and don’t like. Will they give glowing endorsements to recruits that may take their spot? When recruits come to visit and see the McCaffery boys living in a half million dollar plus condo and they will be living in the dorm, will they think that is cool. It seems like this is the McCaffery family program not the Iowa program. This is on Gary Barta for fostering this culture. Some people don’t want to hear it but the percentage of black players on this team is way below all divisions of college basketball and that once again is culture and what recruits see when they visit. That has not what Iowa basketball has been. Been an Iowa basketball fan and Football fan for over 45 years . Lot’s of games, weekends , tuition, tickets, money ,heartache and lots of joy. But both teams and athletic dept. are pretty frustrating right now and have been.
Nepotism has Doomed the basketball and footbal
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Connor is only starting due to injury. He has two career starts. Patrick doesn’t start. And neither one of them were major problems last night.
Couldn't agree more with the premise. How can a father recruit a highly skilled player that will more deserve his sons' minutes? And, what great ammunition to provide other teams who compete for Iowa recruits. I do admire the general level of integrity Fran has demonstrated while leading the program, but his bias towards his sons his unavoidable. The bias will manifest itself in playing time decisions, play calling, and maybe the entire structure of the offense and defense.
And that bias doesn't even have to be an unfair issuance of minutes. A father will protect his sons.
And, I say this from experience. I did coach my son on his high school basketball team. I was harder on him than any other player, but when he struggled, I also had a harder time putting him on the bench. I was always conscious of the way the other parents assessed the situation, and did my best to be fair, but it impacted every game, every practice, and even our own family relationship. Two players on a team coached by Dad is simply not good.
Recently, I read that Connor might see minutes at the 3. Why? So he will get his minutes, even if there is a better option at the 1.
And that bias doesn't even have to be an unfair issuance of minutes. A father will protect his sons.
And, I say this from experience. I did coach my son on his high school basketball team. I was harder on him than any other player, but when he struggled, I also had a harder time putting him on the bench. I was always conscious of the way the other parents assessed the situation, and did my best to be fair, but it impacted every game, every practice, and even our own family relationship. Two players on a team coached by Dad is simply not good.
Recently, I read that Connor might see minutes at the 3. Why? So he will get his minutes, even if there is a better option at the 1.
Well, it's interesting for sure. Wasn't a problem for the McDermott's, because the kid was an outstanding player. Maybe Patrick becomes a really good player over time, but I don't see it for Connor.
Kirk's boys were legit DI Football players, and they proved that. Now as an Offensive Coordinator not so much, at this point for sure. Iowa's offense is typically mediocre under Kirk, so nothing new here.
Kirk's boys were legit DI Football players, and they proved that. Now as an Offensive Coordinator not so much, at this point for sure. Iowa's offense is typically mediocre under Kirk, so nothing new here.
I understand that Patrick is not living with Conner his freshman year. So will Patrick have his own half million dollar condo next year or will he live with Conner. It is the perception and Culture I’m talking about when top level recruits come in. The coaches son’s are the big dogs on the team.
mans Nobody still wants to talk about the big white elephant in the room(the roster).Brian being OC is a problem with the results he is getting and The bottom line is neither one of these programs is competing for Any championships. If you are there just for the party fine but I would like to enjoy the run for a title.
mans Nobody still wants to talk about the big white elephant in the room(the roster).Brian being OC is a problem with the results he is getting and The bottom line is neither one of these programs is competing for Any championships. If you are there just for the party fine but I would like to enjoy the run for a title.
Frans kids were universally rated higher than any of Kirks kids. It’s a ridiculous comparison. Connor is two games into his second season, only starting due to injury. Patrick is two games into his first season.
I realize we had a bad game but **** some of you are just straight trash fans and people.
We would be at one loss at most if Iowa had a typically mediocre offense this year. Their offense is putrid and anyone who says otherwise hasn't been watching.
I think the kid bashing is a little unfair at this point. Conner has been a ok player and only starting because of an injury and will come off bench later on. Pat gets a few minutes now but likely will red shirt.
Funny how one game brings so much criticism. Everyone has been excited watching the coaches kids in high school and couldn’t wait until they arrived.
Next time, don’t hire a coach with kids. When we think this is bad just remember Johnny Licklighter or Bobby Jr. Cummings. Conner and Patrick aren’t even close to being bad.
Funny how one game brings so much criticism. Everyone has been excited watching the coaches kids in high school and couldn’t wait until they arrived.
Next time, don’t hire a coach with kids. When we think this is bad just remember Johnny Licklighter or Bobby Jr. Cummings. Conner and Patrick aren’t even close to being bad.
Also Brian and James were good FB players and deserved their scholarships.
The comparisons to football are ridiculous.
No offensive coordinator has thrived under Kirk without a mobile quarterback. I don't blame Brian.
Connor is not good and shouldn't be starting on any P5 team. Patrick is a legitimate recruit.
It's amazing how many Iowa State fans come here in need of self esteem boosts. Seeking validation for being the taller midget is amusing. Do Iowa fans post on their boards? Serious question.
No offensive coordinator has thrived under Kirk without a mobile quarterback. I don't blame Brian.
Connor is not good and shouldn't be starting on any P5 team. Patrick is a legitimate recruit.
It's amazing how many Iowa State fans come here in need of self esteem boosts. Seeking validation for being the taller midget is amusing. Do Iowa fans post on their boards? Serious question.
You have a legitimate point about the football side but Brian not having success in that position invites the nepotism debate which IMO it should. I learned early in life not to work with family or friends as it just makes it really difficult to keep things professional and objective. Kirk and Fran both went against the grain of that thought and I don't think it has ended up serving either of them very well.
That I agree with 100%. The OC is an important job and it's impossible for the head coach to evaluate it objectively when the OC is his son. On those grounds alone, I agree it wasn't a good idea.
My point is screaming "nepotism!" is a gross oversimplification of Iowa's offensive problems. There have been many anemic Iowa offenses during Kirk's tenure, covering three different OCs.
Do you not understand the English language in written form?
Well I have eyes, that give me my own player rankings as it relates to College, and IMO Connor is a DI role player and that's about it. Even if he improves considerably, that's about it IMO. The H.S. rankings don't mean jack when you actually get in there, you either make it or you don't with DI Athletes.
And the FACTS are Kirk's boys careers are in the rear view mirror and they were legit DI Offensive Linemen. The book is yet to be written on Fran's kids, especially Patrick. Pretty sure I mentioned that.
So if you're going to respond to me in the future, learn English, then pull your head out of your ass and maybe we can talk.
The counter point to think about... What if his son's decided to play somewhere else to avoid this.
Can you imagine the meltdown on here if one or both of them ended up being pretty good at the D1 level? "Fran can't even recruit his own kids" would be the theme.
Have to wait and see. It can obviously become a problem, if Fran doesn't keep tabs on it and be upfront with his players. Winning cures all, so if last night is any indication, Fran and his team need to be ready for criticism.
Fran already does wierd lineups and substitutions. So hard to blame head scratching lineups on his kids being here!
Can you imagine the meltdown on here if one or both of them ended up being pretty good at the D1 level? "Fran can't even recruit his own kids" would be the theme.
Have to wait and see. It can obviously become a problem, if Fran doesn't keep tabs on it and be upfront with his players. Winning cures all, so if last night is any indication, Fran and his team need to be ready for criticism.
Fran already does wierd lineups and substitutions. So hard to blame head scratching lineups on his kids being here!
You can reasonably predict the future when you can actually watch the present. Your issue is with your head up your ass, your vision is impaired, and clearly the lack of oxygen to your brain is problematic as well. Or maybe you were born this way. Good luck overcoming either way.
Wow....you guys are pathetic.
Zero issues with the coaching staffs having their kids on the team. Fran's kids received other DI offers, so they arent lacking.
It's not a black vs white issue here. People bitched about Moss, complained about Wagner. Why is Pemsl not the star?
Honestly, people just want to complain. Lot of coach coaches and recruiters out there.
Zero issues with the coaching staffs having their kids on the team. Fran's kids received other DI offers, so they arent lacking.
It's not a black vs white issue here. People bitched about Moss, complained about Wagner. Why is Pemsl not the star?
Honestly, people just want to complain. Lot of coach coaches and recruiters out there.
yeah, I bet you could tell a lot from them Ferentz boys their first couple years! Loser.
Just looking at the Big Ten, he could earn legit minutes at Northwestern. Honestly... that’s about it. Just way too slow to stay in front of top level guards. As is jbo but jbo can shoot.
People who try to convince themselves that the McC brothers are not a recruiting issue are kidding themselves. Competing programs use anything they can against you. Believe me — this situation has been used and will continue to be used against Iowa.
Let’s leave PMac out of this because it’s too early to judge him, imo. Let’s revisit him a year and 25 lbs from now.
but Connor...? First, what other D1 offers did he have? List them.
Second, now that you’ve seen him play at this level, do you really not see any “lacking” in his game? Really? I find that very hard to believe.
Third, do you think potential guard recruits watching Connor get minutes want any part of trying to overcome that situation?
I could, because I understand Sports.
Sadly you'll never feel what that is like. Well, sad for you, whether you're a blind moron or not relative to the sporting landscape is your cross to bare. Good luck, it's not easy.
Thinking about this a bit further this nepotism issue gets complicated because both of Kirk's boys deserved scholarships and accounted of themselves well. Basketball it gets more complicated because you have fewer players and the coach's sons on the team end up playing a more prominent role in the overall scheme of things. Back to Brian on the football side then putting your son on the coaching staff creates its own issues.
I lean toward the belief that KF himself is responsible
for the poor offenses. KFs kids were okay players and Football you have 22 starters, not 5.
Fran has been a really poor recruiter since he stepped foot at Iowa. His east coast/philly recruiting connections proved to be zero. The guys he hired on his staff...Dillard and Speraw...old yes men win no other job prospects.
Most of Fran's stars (Uthoff, Gatens, JoeW, Marble) have been Iowa kids/legacies that would have went to Iowa regardless of who coached.
Fran has a problem recruiting/retaining black athletes. Even in state African American kids. Foster/DJ carton went elsewhere because they had other options and didn't want to play for Fran.
We are stuck with Fran for this season and maybe 1-2 more. This season looks like a dumpster fire in the making.
Connor was laying on the floor with blood coming from his forehead and Fran didn't even bat an eye. Quit ripping on the McCaffrey boys.
Mediocre means average to below average. I know exactly what it means and comparing this offense to mediocre is an insult to everything else that is mediocre. I don't think you know football if you think this offense is mediocre.
Wasnt Connor a top 100 recruit?
As for him being a PG, yeah he's not that unless it's spot minutes.
As for him being a PG, yeah he's not that unless it's spot minutes.
He was not top 100. But let’s get back to the point. What other P5 offers did he have? You said he had other p5 offers. What were they? Should be easy to find, right?
Knowing this kind of information means indicates that you either work for the UI Athletic Department, or are very closely associated with Fran McCaffery and/or Gary Barta.
Therefore, it certainly makes sense that you convey the Athletic Department's company line on all of your posts, and go after anyone who doesn't agree with the company line perspective of Iowa athletics.
Yes they were. They were too slow to guard anyone. Connor being allowed to play is a major problem. He is too slow!
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