I would be interested to see what impact an ISU loss by 10+ would have done. Prohm had his guys stop fouling as soon as they cut the lead to 9 and let TCU run the clock out.
NET Ranking: On March 17, Iowa is #43. How NET is Determined & What's a QUAD 1, 2, 3 & 4 Win/Loss
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I would be interested to see what impact an ISU loss by 10+ would have done. Prohm had his guys stop fouling as soon as they cut the lead to 9 and let TCU run the clock out.
If losing vs. winning only moved them 3 spots, I can't see what additional difference one point would make. I think at this point unless teams just go on a huge winning or losing streak, we're probably looking at generally what the final rankings will likely be.
Lets face it; who cares about the AP Poll or the Coaches poll? Those polls don't matter when it comes to whether you get selected to the NCAA Tournament or not.
What matters is your NET Ranking and the Quad 1 & Quad 2 wins you have.
The original post has been updated with what follows.
Today (Feb 14) Iowa is #29 in the NET Rankings. Right now are we looking at a 7 or 8(!?!) seed for the NCAA Tournament?
TWO things will be used by the NCAA Selection Committee when selecting the NCAA Tournament Teams & then seeding them:
(1) The NET ranking, an index that incorporates the most current evaluation measures; and
(2) A tighter definition of a quality win, classifying wins as Quad 1, Quad 2, Quad 3 and Quad 4.
The hope is that by using (1) and (2) we will have a more accurate selection and seeding procedure.
The quadrant system will still be used on team sheets, which sort results in the following manner:
To date, WHAT FOLLOWS are the Iowa (19-5) Quadrant WINS & LOSSES. NOTE that:
* The date of the opponent's NET Ranking is listed.
* Similar to the NET ranking, a Quad 1 win on the date listed might not be a Quad 1 win TODAY or in March (there has been fluidity). Time will tell.
SORTING OF #29 (NET Rank) IOWA'S RESULTS (19-5) INTO THE 4 QUADS:
Quadrant 1 (5-5): Home vs a 1-30 team, Neutral site vs 1-50, Away vs 1-75.
WINS
# 24 on Jan 16 (H) Iowa State
# 10 on Jan 16 (H) Nebraska
# 58 on Jan 16 (A) Northwestern
#2 on Jan 17 Michigan (H)
#30 on Jan 17 Indiana (A)
LOSSES
# 20 on Jan 16 (H) Wisconsin
#7 on Jan 16 (A) Michigan State
#17 on Jan 16 (A) Purdue
#6 on Jan 17 Michigan State (H)
#63 on Jan 17 Minnesota (A)
Quadrant 2 (6-0): Home vs a 31-75, Neutral site vs 51-100, Away vs 76-135.
WINS
#77 on Jan 16 (N) Oregon
#88 on Jan 16 (N) UConn
#53 on Jan 16 (H) Pittsburgh
# 36 on Jan 16 (H) Ohio State
#84 on Jan 17 (A) Penn State
#59 on Jan 17 Northwestern (H)
Quadrant 3 (1-0): Home vs a 76-160, Neutral site vs 101-200, Away vs 135-240.
WINS
#99 on Jan 17 Illinois (H)
Quadrant 4 (7-0): Home vs a 161-353, Neutral vs 201-353, Away vs 241-353
WINS
#234 on Jan 16 (H) UMKC
#192 on Jan 16 (H) Green Bay
#324 on Jan 16 (H) Alabama State
#217 on Jan 16 (N) UNI
#269 on Jan 16 (H) Western Carolina
#343 on Jan 16 (H) Savannah State
#316 on Jan 16 (H) Bryant
7 games left on the schedule:
Quadrant 1 (5 games): Home vs a 1-30 team, Neutral site vs 1-50, Away vs 1-75
#21 on Jan 17 Maryland (H)
#30 on Jan 17 Indiana (H)
#36 on Jan 17 Ohio State (A)
#22 on Jan 17 Wisconsin (A)
#11 on Jan 17 Nebraska (A)
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Quadrant 2 (0 games): Home vs a 31-75, Neutral site vs 51-100, Away vs 76-135.
NONE LEFT ON THE SCHEDULE
Quadrant 3 (2 games): Home vs a 76-160, Neutral site vs 101-200, Away vs 135-240.
#136 on Jan 17 Rutgers (A)
#136 on Jan 17 Rutgers (H)
Quadrant 4 (0 games): Home vs a 161-353, Neutral vs 201-353, Away vs 241-353
NONE LEFT ON THE SCHEDULE
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Previous NET Rankings for Iowa (notice the fluidity):
#29 on Feb 13 & 14
#26 on Feb 10, 11 & 12
#24 on Feb 7
#22 on Feb 2 (after Feb 1's 15 pt home win vs Michigan)
#27 on Jan 30 & Jan 31
#28 on Jan 29
#30 on Jan 28
#25 on Jan 27
#24 on Jan 26
#22 on Jan 23
#25 on Jan 22
#25 on Jan 19
#24 on Jan 18
#29 on Jan 13
#35 on Jan 12
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To see all teams' NET Rankings & quadrant results, open the link that follows, scroll down on the page that comes up & on the far right you will see NET Team Sheets - Games through [date]. Click on the most recent link or a previous date.
LINK: https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/SitePages/Home.aspx
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ALL B1G TEAMS' CURRENT (FEB 14) NET RANKINGS:
Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
7 7 Michigan St. Big Ten 20-5 7-3 2-1 11-1 0-0
8 8 Michigan Big Ten 22-3 5-3 2-0 15-0 0-0
11 11 Purdue Big Ten 17-7 3-5 2-2 12-0 0-0
15 15 Wisconsin Big Ten 17-8 6-4 2-1 9-3 0-0
21 22 Maryland Big Ten 19-6 5-3 1-1 13-2 0-0
29 29 Iowa Big Ten 19-5 3-3 3-0 13-2 0-0
36 36 Ohio St. Big Ten 16-7 5-3 1-0 10-4 0-0
39 40 Nebraska Big Ten 14-11 2-6 2-1 9-4 1-0
50 49 Indiana Big Ten 13-11 2-7 1-0 10-4 0-0
58 58 Minnesota Big Ten 16-9 1-7 4-0 11-2 0-0
69 70 Penn St. Big Ten 9-15 2-7 1-2 6-6 0-0
72 71 Northwestern Big Ten 12-12 1-6 2-1 9-5 0-0
94 91 Illinois Big Ten 9-15 0-6 1-4 8-5 0-0
112 122 Rutgers Big Ten 12-12 3-7 0-0 9-5 0-0
What matters is your NET Ranking and the Quad 1 & Quad 2 wins you have.
The original post has been updated with what follows.
Today (Feb 14) Iowa is #29 in the NET Rankings. Right now are we looking at a 7 or 8(!?!) seed for the NCAA Tournament?
TWO things will be used by the NCAA Selection Committee when selecting the NCAA Tournament Teams & then seeding them:
(1) The NET ranking, an index that incorporates the most current evaluation measures; and
(2) A tighter definition of a quality win, classifying wins as Quad 1, Quad 2, Quad 3 and Quad 4.
The hope is that by using (1) and (2) we will have a more accurate selection and seeding procedure.
The quadrant system will still be used on team sheets, which sort results in the following manner:
To date, WHAT FOLLOWS are the Iowa (19-5) Quadrant WINS & LOSSES. NOTE that:
* The date of the opponent's NET Ranking is listed.
* Similar to the NET ranking, a Quad 1 win on the date listed might not be a Quad 1 win TODAY or in March (there has been fluidity). Time will tell.
SORTING OF #29 (NET Rank) IOWA'S RESULTS (19-5) INTO THE 4 QUADS:
Quadrant 1 (5-5): Home vs a 1-30 team, Neutral site vs 1-50, Away vs 1-75.
WINS
# 24 on Jan 16 (H) Iowa State
# 10 on Jan 16 (H) Nebraska
# 58 on Jan 16 (A) Northwestern
#2 on Jan 17 Michigan (H)
#30 on Jan 17 Indiana (A)
LOSSES
# 20 on Jan 16 (H) Wisconsin
#7 on Jan 16 (A) Michigan State
#17 on Jan 16 (A) Purdue
#6 on Jan 17 Michigan State (H)
#63 on Jan 17 Minnesota (A)
Quadrant 2 (6-0): Home vs a 31-75, Neutral site vs 51-100, Away vs 76-135.
WINS
#77 on Jan 16 (N) Oregon
#88 on Jan 16 (N) UConn
#53 on Jan 16 (H) Pittsburgh
# 36 on Jan 16 (H) Ohio State
#84 on Jan 17 (A) Penn State
#59 on Jan 17 Northwestern (H)
Quadrant 3 (1-0): Home vs a 76-160, Neutral site vs 101-200, Away vs 135-240.
WINS
#99 on Jan 17 Illinois (H)
Quadrant 4 (7-0): Home vs a 161-353, Neutral vs 201-353, Away vs 241-353
WINS
#234 on Jan 16 (H) UMKC
#192 on Jan 16 (H) Green Bay
#324 on Jan 16 (H) Alabama State
#217 on Jan 16 (N) UNI
#269 on Jan 16 (H) Western Carolina
#343 on Jan 16 (H) Savannah State
#316 on Jan 16 (H) Bryant
7 games left on the schedule:
Quadrant 1 (5 games): Home vs a 1-30 team, Neutral site vs 1-50, Away vs 1-75
#21 on Jan 17 Maryland (H)
#30 on Jan 17 Indiana (H)
#36 on Jan 17 Ohio State (A)
#22 on Jan 17 Wisconsin (A)
#11 on Jan 17 Nebraska (A)
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Quadrant 2 (0 games): Home vs a 31-75, Neutral site vs 51-100, Away vs 76-135.
NONE LEFT ON THE SCHEDULE
Quadrant 3 (2 games): Home vs a 76-160, Neutral site vs 101-200, Away vs 135-240.
#136 on Jan 17 Rutgers (A)
#136 on Jan 17 Rutgers (H)
Quadrant 4 (0 games): Home vs a 161-353, Neutral vs 201-353, Away vs 241-353
NONE LEFT ON THE SCHEDULE
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Previous NET Rankings for Iowa (notice the fluidity):
#29 on Feb 13 & 14
#26 on Feb 10, 11 & 12
#24 on Feb 7
#22 on Feb 2 (after Feb 1's 15 pt home win vs Michigan)
#27 on Jan 30 & Jan 31
#28 on Jan 29
#30 on Jan 28
#25 on Jan 27
#24 on Jan 26
#22 on Jan 23
#25 on Jan 22
#25 on Jan 19
#24 on Jan 18
#29 on Jan 13
#35 on Jan 12
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To see all teams' NET Rankings & quadrant results, open the link that follows, scroll down on the page that comes up & on the far right you will see NET Team Sheets - Games through [date]. Click on the most recent link or a previous date.
LINK: https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/SitePages/Home.aspx
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ALL B1G TEAMS' CURRENT (FEB 14) NET RANKINGS:
Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
7 7 Michigan St. Big Ten 20-5 7-3 2-1 11-1 0-0
8 8 Michigan Big Ten 22-3 5-3 2-0 15-0 0-0
11 11 Purdue Big Ten 17-7 3-5 2-2 12-0 0-0
15 15 Wisconsin Big Ten 17-8 6-4 2-1 9-3 0-0
21 22 Maryland Big Ten 19-6 5-3 1-1 13-2 0-0
29 29 Iowa Big Ten 19-5 3-3 3-0 13-2 0-0
36 36 Ohio St. Big Ten 16-7 5-3 1-0 10-4 0-0
39 40 Nebraska Big Ten 14-11 2-6 2-1 9-4 1-0
50 49 Indiana Big Ten 13-11 2-7 1-0 10-4 0-0
58 58 Minnesota Big Ten 16-9 1-7 4-0 11-2 0-0
69 70 Penn St. Big Ten 9-15 2-7 1-2 6-6 0-0
72 71 Northwestern Big Ten 12-12 1-6 2-1 9-5 0-0
94 91 Illinois Big Ten 9-15 0-6 1-4 8-5 0-0
112 122 Rutgers Big Ten 12-12 3-7 0-0 9-5 0-0
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Michigan loses at #75 Penn State & their NET ranking worsens by 1.
IDLE Iowa's NET ranking worsens by 3.
Makes a lot of sense! NOT!
IDLE Iowa's NET ranking worsens by 3.
Makes a lot of sense! NOT!
Michigan lost a Q1 game by 6 when they were expected to win by 7 or so. That’s not going to affect their rating much. Dropped below MSU but there must have been enough of a cushion between them and NC, who also lost this week for them not to fall any further.
Iowa fell because Miss St blew out Alabama and KSU picked up a Q1 win on the road so both teams jumped Iowa. These are ratings and not rankings, big difference.
Then this system sucks. That was a huge upset and everyone with a brain knows it.
First place losing to last place is a big upset. If your analytics tell you otherwise, then the analytics suck.
Sorry, bro, they aren’t my analytics. I just don’t consider a team, favored by 7, losing to a top 100 NET/Kenpom on the road a huge upset. Yes, perception wise, it was a huge upset. Penn St, regardless of their record, has played many teams really tough this year, even beat VA Tech. There’s a reason why they are hanging around the top 75 NET. They aren’t a bad team.
I really don't think Michigan is very good, I think they will get bounced early in the Dance. They are so limited Offensively.
I had that conversation last night with someone. I don’t think they advance past the round of 32z
100% on the same page as you. I am not impressed with them much at all.
Dear Season,
Please end. We have dropped 7 spots since February 2nd. At this rate we are going to be behind Nebbie when the BTT starts. We have dropped 2 spots since beating a top 10 team(quad 1), a road top 50(quad 1) and NW.
Sincerely,
The team that has as many Quad 1 wins in the last week as Auburn, Nevada, and Buffalo has all season combined.
Please end. We have dropped 7 spots since February 2nd. At this rate we are going to be behind Nebbie when the BTT starts. We have dropped 2 spots since beating a top 10 team(quad 1), a road top 50(quad 1) and NW.
Sincerely,
The team that has as many Quad 1 wins in the last week as Auburn, Nevada, and Buffalo has all season combined.
I guess Iowa's win over Michigan isn't that impressive then. You have Iowa's best win as beating ISU? Who would be next?
Pitt lost to 12-11 Boston College. Wisconsin lost. Purdue lost. Michigan lost. Not looked at the lower teams, but for that group alone - I don't see an issue with a 3 pt drop.
It was a dang good win, particularly for these metrics/NET stuff. But just eye test wise in general, they don't seem that good. They have a play making Guard, Elite Coaching and good fundamental D for the most part. They can't shoot for Sh4t and the Elites out there will run them out of the Gym. I would be shocked if they make it past the Sweet 16. But that is the Beauty of the Madness!
Don’t forget Wofford’s last win on Saturday against the #291 team that was a good enough win to propel Wofford past Iowa today.
If you are bored and want a good laugh dig into this one. Compare Hofstra and Minnesota’s schedules.
I will give you a teaser. Hofstra is 0-2 in quad 1, and 0-1 in quad 2. However, a dominating 16-0 in quad 4. When reading the rankings of the two teams parental guidance is suggested.
What is wrong with Hofstra? They aren't projected to be an at large team (although they probably should be in the conversation at this point).
I’m sure it’s a lovely school. I don’t know jack about them, but I would prefer a team with 0 quad 1 and 2 wins, and 80% of their wins in quad 4 not be considered for much. There biggest positive about them is they have the best quad 4 record in college b-ball. That doesn’t scream a near top 50 ranking.
Right, isn't having too many Quad 4 games supposedly been a reason given for Iowa not having an even higher NET Ranking?
I’m overall very happy with NET, much better rating system than the RPI. However, with that said, there’s one tweak they should look at during the off-season. Right now the quality of opponent isn’t taken into consideration when calculating efficiency So, you have a team like Nebraska who obliterated a bunch of weak teams early in the year, had great efficiency numbers against weak opponents, and climbed to 10 or so in the NET ratings. Make that one little fix and a lot of the complaints I see would go away.
Yep. And Nebraska is now 8 spots away from being a Quad 1 win. OSU's loss puts them 14 spots away from being a Quad 1 win when it looked like they were getting within range of #30. Indiana is now at #50 . . . 20 spots from being a Quad 1 win.
As of today, Iowa has Quad 1 wins over only Iowa State, Michigan and Northwestern.
If Illinois keeps winning, Iowa's win in Champaign may become a Quad 1 win.
Boom. Hofstra throws it in my face and gets a quad 2 win last night against #113 on the road.
