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NET Ranking: On March 17, Iowa is #43. How NET is Determined & What's a QUAD 1, 2, 3 & 4 Win/Loss

@TailgateTom @BBHawk @Hawkfan_08

Bottom line is this:

Assuming Iowa stays on course for an NCAA berth, the Selection Committee will evaluate Iowa's resume & will look at 2 things when determining if they will be included & their seed:

(1) their NET ranking

(2) their Quad wins; a couple things to keep in mind:

* Quad 1 wins count more

* A Quad 1 win today might not be a quad 1 win later in the season. Lets say Nebraska falls apart, for example; they are a quad 1 win today but at the end of the season what quad will they be in? There's a lot of games to be played yet & a lot of potential shuffling of wins between quads.

Here are 3 examples of quality wins thus far and which quad they CURRENTLY fall:

Quadrant 1: Home 1-30, Neutral 1-50, Away 1-75.
#13 Nebraska, home win
#55 Nwestern, ROAD win

Quadrant 2: Home 31-75, Neutral 51-100, Away 76-135.
#36 Ohio State, home win

Quadrant 3: Home 76-160, Neutral 101-200, Away 135-240.

Quadrant 4: Home 161-353, Neutral 201-353, Away 241-353
 
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Franisdaman said:
@TailgateTom @BBHawk @Hawkfan_08

Bottom line is this:

Assuming Iowa stays on course for an NCAA berth, the Selection Committee will evaluate Iowa's resume & will look at 2 things when determining if they will be included & their seed:

(1) their NET ranking

(2) their Quad wins; a couple things to keep in mind:

* Quad 1 wins count more

* A Quad 1 win today might not be a quad 1 win later in the season. Lets say Nebraska falls apart, for example; they are a quad 1 win today but at the end of the season what quad will they be in? There's a lot of games to be played yet & a lot of potential shuffling of wins between quads.

Here are 3 examples of quality wins thus far and which quad they CURRENTLY fall:

Quadrant 1: Home 1-30, Neutral 1-50, Away 1-75.
#13 Nebraska, home win
#55 Nwestern, ROAD win

Quadrant 2: Home 31-75, Neutral 51-100, Away 76-135.
#36 Ohio State, home win

Quadrant 3: Home 76-160, Neutral 101-200, Away 135-240.

Quadrant 4: Home 161-353, Neutral 201-353, Away 241-353
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Don’t forget about Iowa State in the quad 1 games
 
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Hawkfan_in_GoopherLand said:
Don’t forget about Iowa State in the quad 1 games
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yeah; i did not put all wins to date in a quadrant because there could be a lot of shifting between now and Selection Sunday; Example: do you think N'western will remain a quad 1 win? I hope so, but I was not overly impressed by them

i hate rooting for ISU but them winning a lot moving forward only benefits Iowa in getting selected and in getting a better seed, especially if the ISU win is a quad 1 win on Selection Sunday
 
Franisdaman said:
Yeah, we don't need any bad quad losses, either! A loss to PSU and/or Illinois this week would suck!

#72, Road game (Quad 1) Penn St. Big Ten 7-9, 1-5


#125, Home game (Quad 3) Illinois Big Ten 4-12, 0-4
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Here's an example of how these NET rankings and quad wins move all over the place.

In one day (Jan 13 to Jan 14):

Iowa went from #29 to #30

Penn State went from #72 to #78 (would now be a Quad 2 win for Iowa, not quad 1)

Illinois stayed at #125 (quad 3 win)
 
Franisdaman said:
Here's an example of how these NET rankings and quad wins move all over the place.

In one day (Jan 13 to Jan 14):

Iowa went from #29 to #30

Penn State went from #72 to #78 (would now be a Quad 2 win for Iowa, not quad 1)

Illinois stayed at #125 (quad 3 win)
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And if Iowa beats PSU by 1 it could move PSU back to a Quad 1 win, but if Iowa wins by 10+ it could solidify them as a Quad 2 win.

It's crazy (and fun) to watch the day-to-day changes.
 
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Today Iowa is #28 in the NET rankings.

Possible 7 seed in NCAA Tournament?

And don't forget about the quads.

This week's opponents:

#81, Road game (Quad 2) Penn St. Big Ten 7-10

#125, Home game (Quad 3) Illinois Big Ten 4-12
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Quadrant 1 win: Home vs a 1-30 team, Neutral site vs 1-50, Away vs 1-75.

Quadrant 2 win: Home vs a 31-75, Neutral site vs 51-100, Away vs 76-135.

Quadrant 3 win: Home vs a 76-160, Neutral site vs 101-200, Away vs 135-240.

Quadrant 4 win: Home vs a 161-353, Neutral vs 201-353, Away vs 241-353

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BIG NET Rankings

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
2 3 Michigan Big Ten 17-0 3-0 2-0 12-0 0-0
7 7 Michigan St. Big Ten 15-2 4-1 2-1 9-0 0-0
10 13 Nebraska Big Ten 13-4 2-3 2-1 8-0 1-0
17 22 Maryland Big Ten 15-3 3-1 1-0 11-2 0-0
19 20 Wisconsin Big Ten 11-6 3-3 2-1 6-2 0-0
20 18 Purdue Big Ten 10-6 1-4 2-2 7-0 0-0
28 30 Iowa Big Ten 14-3 1-2 3-0 10-1 0-0
30 21 Indiana Big Ten 12-5 1-4 1-0 10-1 0-0
35 36 Ohio St. Big Ten 12-4 3-2 1-0 8-2 0-0
45 46 Minnesota Big Ten 13-3 1-2 4-0 8-1 0-0
58 54 Northwestern Big Ten 10-7 0-3 2-1 8-3 0-0
81 78 Penn St. Big Ten 7-10 1-5 1-2 5-3 0-0
113 112 Rutgers Big Ten 8-7 1-4 0-0 7-3 0-0
125 125 Illinois Big Ten 4-12 0-4 0-4 4-4 0-0

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
 
Franisdaman said:
just remember:

* there will be continual movement in our NET ranking

* a quad 1 win today might not be a quad 1 win in March
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Yeah, I agree. I have heard that the NET system for sure is extremely dynamic. I'll keep an eye on RPI from time to time anyway to approximate where we are, even though that metric isn't being used anymore.
 
El Simbolo said:
Should get less so as the season progresses, and any single game is a smaller percentage of your body of work
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Hawkfan_in_GoopherLand said:
I've been digging into Nebraska vs. Iowa, and quite honestly, I can't figure it out.

Quad 1, Quad 2, Quad 3, Quad 4, All
Iowa 3-3 2-0 1-0 7-0 13-3
Nebraska 1-4 3-0 2-0 5-0 11-4

Iowa has better efficiency metrics. Iowa won head to head. Iowa has more wins against first 2 quads. The only thing i can think of is how the NET rankings take into consideration non-Division 1 teams. Nebraska played SW Minnesota State before Big Ten play. I put that win in quad 4 above, but I'm wondering if it doesn't get factored. Once again, I think our quad 4 number will hurt us overall, which we've all talked about time and time again with the scheduling.
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With the 7 games we’ve played in Quad 4 and ORE and UConn being meh, a road win against a top 25 NET team (not just anywhere 1-75) is essential for seeding purposes. Beating NW/PSU/RUT/MIN on road will get us in comfortably (lack of Quad 2-4 losses is huge), but winning @IND or @MD would go a long way with our seeding.
 
The orig post has been updated with what follows.

Today Iowa is #25 in the NET Rankings. Right now are we looking at a 6 seed?

TWO things will be used by the NCAA Selection Committee when selecting the NCAA Tournament Teams & then seeding them:

(1) The NET ranking, an index that incorporates the most current evaluation measures; and

(2) A tighter definition of a quality win, classifying wins as Quad 1, Quad 2, Quad 3 and a Quad 4.

The hope is that by using (1) and (2) we will have a more accurate selection and seeding procedure.


The quadrant system will still be used on team sheets, which sort results in the following manner:

To date, WHAT FOLLOWS are the Iowa (15-3) quad wins & losses. NOTE that:

* The date of the opponent's NET Ranking is listed.
* Similar to the NET ranking, a quad 1 win today might not be one in March.


SORTING OF #25(NET Rank) IOWA'S RESULTS (15-3) INTO THE 4 QUADS:

Quadrant 1 (3-3): Home vs a 1-30 team, Neutral site vs 1-50, Away vs 1-75.

WINS
# 24 on Jan 16 (H) Iowa State
# 10 on Jan 16 (H) Nebraska
# 58 on Jan 16 (A) Northwestern

LOSSES
# 20 on Jan 16 (H) Wisconsin
#7 on Jan 16 (A) Michigan State
#17 on Jan 16 (A) Purdue


Quadrant 2 (5-0): Home vs a 31-75, Neutral site vs 51-100, Away vs 76-135.

WINS
#77 on Jan 16 (N) Oregon
#88 on Jan 16 (N) UConn
#53 on Jan 16 (H) Pitt
# 36 on Jan 16 (H) Ohio State
#84 on Jan 17 (A) Penn State


Quadrant 3 (0-0): Home vs a 76-160, Neutral site vs 101-200, Away vs 135-240.

NONE


Quadrant 4 (7-0): Home vs a 161-353, Neutral vs 201-353, Away vs 241-353

WINS
#234 on Jan 16 (H) UMKC
#192 on Jan 16 (H) Green Bay
#324 on Jan 16 (H) Alabama State
#217 on Jan 16 (N) UNI
#269 on Jan 16 (H) Western Carolina
#343 on Jan 16 (H) Savannah State
#316 on Jan 16 (H) Bryant


13 games left on the schedule:

Quadrant 1 (9 games): Home vs a 1-30 team, Neutral site vs 1-50, Away vs 1-75

#6 on Jan 17 MSU (H)
#63 on Jan 17 Minny (A)
#2 on Jan 17 Mich (H)
#30 on Jan 17 IU (A)
#21 on Jan 17 MD (H)
#30 on Jan 17 IU (H)
#36 on Jan 17 OSU (A)
#22 on Jan 17 Wisky (A)
#11 on Jan 17 Neb (A)

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Quadrant 2 (1 game): Home vs a 31-75, Neutral site vs 51-100, Away vs 76-135.

#59 on Jan 17 N'w (H)


Quadrant 3 (3 games): Home vs a 76-160, Neutral site vs 101-200, Away vs 135-240.

#99 on Jan 17 Illinois (H)
#136 on Jan 17 Rut (A)
#136 on Jan 17 Rut (H)


Quadrant 4 (0 games): Home vs a 161-353, Neutral vs 201-353, Away vs 241-353

NONE


Just an fyi to @Tylerl_28 @Birky @AuroraHawk @hawkland14 @HeRKeYHoPeFuL

I think right now we are looking at a 6 or 7 seed.
 
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@Cydkar just curious on your thoughts.

If the selections were made today, what seed would Iowa get? I am guessing a 6, maybe a 7. Not sure how we would move up to a 5, but I would take it!
 
Franisdaman said:
The orig post has been updated with what follows.

Today Iowa is #25 in the NET Rankings. Right now are we looking at a 6 or 7 seed?

TWO things will be used by the NCAA Selection Committee when selecting the teams & then seeding them:

(1) The NET ranking, an index that incorporates the most current evaluation measures; and

(2) A tighter definition of a quality win, classifying wins as Quad 1, Quad 2, Quad 3 and a Quad 4.

The hope is that by using (1) and (2) we will have a more accurate selection and seeding procedure.

The quadrant system will still be used on team sheets, which sort results in the following manner:

To date, WHAT FOLLOWS are the Iowa (15-3) quad wins & losses.
* The date of the opponent's NET Ranking is listed.
* Similar to the NET ranking, a quad 1 win today might not be one in March.


SORTING OF #25 IOWA'S RESULTS (15-3) INTO THE 4 QUADS:

Quadrant 1 (3-3): Home vs a 1-30 team, Neutral site vs 1-50, Away vs 1-75.

WINS
# 24 on Jan 16 (H) Iowa State
# 10 on Jan 16 (H) Nebraska
# 58 on Jan 16 (A) Northwestern

LOSSES
# 20 on Jan 16 (H) Wisconsin
#7 on Jan 16 (A) Michigan State
#17 on Jan 16 (A) Purdue


Quadrant 2 (5-0): Home vs a 31-75, Neutral site vs 51-100, Away vs 76-135.

WINS

#77 on Jan 16 (N) Oregon
#88 on Jan 16 (N) UConn
#53 on Jan 16 (H) Pitt
# 36 on Jan 16 (H) Ohio State
#84 on Jan 17 (A) Penn State

Quadrant 3 (0-0): Home vs a 76-160, Neutral site vs 101-200, Away vs 135-240.

NONE


Quadrant 4 (7-0): Home vs a 161-353, Neutral vs 201-353, Away vs 241-353

WINS

#234 on Jan 16 (H) UMKC
#192 on Jan 16 (H) Green Bay
#324 on Jan 16 (H) Alabama State
#217 on Jan 16 (N) UNI
#269 on Jan 16 (H) Western Carolina
#343 on Jan 16 (H) Savannah State
#316 on Jan 16 (H) Bryant




Just an fyi to @Tylerl_28 @Birky @AuroraHawk @hawkland14 @HeRKeYHoPeFuL

I think right now we are looking at a 6 or 7 seed.
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@TheTruthTheWholeTruth , I think when you look at our #25 current NET ranking & when you break down our results into the 4 quads, we are looking at a 6 seed right now.

Nevertheless, I hope you are right and that Iowa keeps this up and we get at least a 5 seed. It would make getting to the Sweet 16 just a little bit easier;)
 
Franisdaman said:
@TheTruthTheWholeTruth , I think when you look at our #25 current NET ranking & when you break down our results into the 4 quads, we are looking at a 6 seed right now.

Nevertheless, I hope you are right and that Iowa keeps this up and we get at least a 5 seed. It would make getting to the Sweet 16 just a little bit easier;)
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Trust me, I’ve broken down around 100 teams into the 4 quadrants, exhausting work. :D

I have no argument with any bracketologist that has Iowa anywhere between 5-7 at this juncture. The ones that have Iowa 10+, although quite a bit fewer now, make me think they have no idea what they’re doing. It should be a fun ride to the finish line!
 
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TheTruthTheWholeTruth said:
Trust me, I’ve broken down around 100 teams into the 4 quadrants, exhausting work. :D

I have no argument with any bracketologist that has Iowa anywhere between 5-7 at this juncture. The ones that have Iowa 10+, although quite a bit fewer now, make me think they have no idea what they’re doing. It should be a fun ride to the finish line!
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When you look at where things stand TODAY, I don't know how any serious "bracketologist" would have Iowa lower than a 6 or 7 seed when you look at the 2 things the Committee will use: (1) NET ranking, where Iowa is #25; (2) Iowa's results broken down into the 4 quads

All of Iowa's 3 losses are Quad 1, which is HUGE, imo. Agree?
 
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Franisdaman said:
When you look at where things stand TODAY, I don't know how any serious "bracketologist" would have Iowa lower than a 6 or 7 seed when you look at the 2 things the Committee will use: (1) NET ranking, where Iowa is #25; (2) Iowa's results broken down into the 4 quads

All of Iowa's 3 losses are Quad 1, which is HUGE, imo. Agree?
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Completely agree. I assign each win a numerical value and then give it a multiplier based on the quadrant. That’s one aspect. The actual NET rankings and efficiency numbers are a very big component of my calculations. Losses are also given negative numerical values with a multiplier as well.

Maybe I’m not hitting teams hard enough for the NCOS although that’s already factored into the Quad 3, and more so into the Quad 4 wins, where the value of those wins is almost negligible especially at the Quad 4 level. Long story short, I’m a freaking nerd who needs to get a life.
 
El Simbolo said:
So did Pitt’s win move us up today?
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Pitt winning, as well as Iowa State winning at Texas Tech, helped Iowa. Iowa State is on track to stay at Quad 1 win the whole way. Iowa State would probably like it if Iowa kept winning as it makes them losing to the Hawks seem okay.
 
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Pitt winning, as well as Iowa State winning at Texas Tech, helped Iowa. Iowa State is on track to stay at Quad 1 win the whole way. Iowa State would probably like it if Iowa kept winning as it makes them losing to the Hawks seem okay.
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Do you see any quad 1 or 2 wins moving to a different/worse quad?

What about the 3 quad 1 losses? Do you think they stay quad 1?

Just curious on your and others' opinion. It would be nice if those 3 losses remain quad 1, because right now you can't say Iowa has a bad loss; agree? Then again, I think losing to Wisky at home was bad & it sucked big time! But I won't tell the Selection Committee that! ;)
 
Franisdaman said:
Do you see any quad 1 or 2 wins moving to a different/worse quad?

What about the 3 quad 1 losses? Do you think they stay quad 1?

Just curious on your and others' opinion. It would be nice if those 3 losses remain quad 1, because right now you can't say Iowa has a bad loss; agree? Then again, I think losing to Wisky at home was bad & it sucked big time! But I won't tell the Selection Committee that! ;)
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UConn would be my biggest concern going from quad 2 to 3. I think Oregon will stay a 2 and I’m hopeful NW does enough to stay a 1. Wisconsin could slip out of the top 30 if they keep slumping. I have a feeling the won’t though and may just beat Michigan on Saturday. Yes, you heard that right.
 
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13 games left on the schedule:


Quadrant 1 (9 games): Home vs a 1-30 team, Neutral site vs 1-50, Away vs 1-75

#6 on Jan 17 MSU (H)
#63 on Jan 17 Minny (A)
#2 on Jan 17 Mich (H)
#30 on Jan 17 IU (A)
#21 on Jan 17 MD (H)
#30 on Jan 17 IU (H)
#36 on Jan 17 OSU (A)
#22 on Jan 17 Wisky (A)
#11 on Jan 17 Neb (A)

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Quadrant 2 (1 game): Home vs a 31-75, Neutral site vs 51-100, Away vs 76-135.

#59 on Jan 17 N'w (H)


Quadrant 3 (3 games): Home vs a 76-160, Neutral site vs 101-200, Away vs 135-240.

#99 on Jan 17 Illinois (H)
#136 on Jan 17 Rut (A)
#136 on Jan 17 Rut (H)


Quadrant 4 (0 games): Home vs a 161-353, Neutral vs 201-353, Away vs 241-353

NONE
 
Would like to see ISU stay up there but as a Des Moines resident, I can’t stomach the possibility of them playing in Des Moines. I may have to leave the city for a few days.
 
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Would like to see ISU stay up there but as a Des Moines resident, I can’t stomach the possibility of them playing in Des Moines. I may have to leave the city for a few days.
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If either Iowa or ISU get a 4 seed, aren't their chances of playing in Des Moines high? I forget where I heard that.
 
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