NET Ranking: On March 17, Iowa is #43. How NET is Determined & What's a QUAD 1, 2, 3 & 4 Win/Loss

[StormHawk42]

If either Iowa or ISU get a 4 seed, aren't their chances of playing in Des Moines high? I forget where I heard that.

Yes 4 seed is generally what you need. And other than KU, there really aren’t many top teams around.

Although I read an article on Hawk Central this morning about how it sometimes works out that 7 seeds oddly enough have ended up close to home several times.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

Yes 4 seed is generally what you need. And other than KU, there really aren’t many top teams around.

Although I read an article on Hawk Central this morning about how it sometimes works out that 7 seeds oddly enough have ended up close to home several times.

I know South Carolina was a 7 seed in Greenville in 2017. Weird how things like that work out.

 

[Franisdaman]

Yes 4 seed is generally what you need. And other than KU, there really aren’t many top teams around.

Although I read an article on Hawk Central this morning about how it sometimes works out that 7 seeds oddly enough have ended up close to home several times.

Thanks for clarifying what seed would be needed.

Man, it would be awesome if somehow Iowa snuck into the Des Moines site

 

[StormHawk42]

Thanks for clarifying what seed would be needed.

Man, it would be awesome if somehow Iowa snuck into the Des Moines site

The possibility of that happening can probably be raised if we go 3-1 in our next 4 because that would include at least one win over the Michigan’s.

Dare to dream I suppose.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

Thanks for clarifying what seed would be needed.

Man, it would be awesome if somehow Iowa snuck into the Des Moines site

Better grab those tickets now! A possible opportunity to see Iowa play in DSM or you could even jack up the prices on a Clone fan if Iowa doesn’t end up in DSM but ISU does. It’s a win/win.

 

[Franisdaman]

Better grab those tickets now! A possible opportunity to see Iowa play in DSM or you could even jack up the prices on a Clone fan if Iowa doesn’t end up in DSM but ISU does. It’s a win/win.

I am saving up for the Final 4 in Minneapolis

 

[Franisdaman]

The possibility of that happening can probably be raised if we go 3-1 in our next 4 because that would include at least one win over the Michigan’s.

Dare to dream I suppose.

Some great home games (incl Michigan & MSU) coming up, for sure! CHA hopefully is rocking!

Quad 1 Home games remaining:
#6 on Jan 17 MSU (H)
#2 on Jan 17 Mich (H)
#21 on Jan 17 MD (H)
#30 on Jan 17 IU (H)

 

[HawkRugged17]

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

For those asking about potential quad movements:

Quad 1:
Iowa State (16) and Nebraska (11) are solidly in the top 30, and unlikely to fall out. Northwestern is at 59, and with a poor finish could fall to 76, making that a quad 2 win.

Michigan State and Purdue losses are locked in the quad 1 bucket, as they aren't anywhere near the 75 cutoff for road games. Wisconsin is at 22, and needs to stay top 30, which I'm confident they will given their efficiency metrics.

Quad 2:
UConn is the only Quad 2 win that looks like it has real potential to fall to Quad 3. They're at 90 and need to stay top 100.

Quad 4:
Of our Quad 4 wins, Green Bay needs to move from 196 to 160 in order to move to Quad 3, or UNI needs to move from 207 to 200. Both are possible, obviously UNI is much closer.

 

[Hawksfor3]

I am saving up for the Final 4 in Minneapolis

Duke still on the horizon?

 

[Franisdaman]

For those asking about potential quad movements:

Quad 1:
Iowa State (16) and Nebraska (11) are solidly in the top 30, and unlikely to fall out. Northwestern is at 59, and with a poor finish could fall to 76, making that a quad 2 win.

Michigan State and Purdue losses are locked in the quad 1 bucket, as they aren't anywhere near the 75 cutoff for road games. Wisconsin is at 22, and needs to stay top 30, which I'm confident they will given their efficiency metrics.

Quad 2:
UConn is the only Quad 2 win that looks like it has real potential to fall to Quad 3. They're at 90 and need to stay top 100.

Quad 4:
Of our Quad 4 wins, Green Bay needs to move from 196 to 160 in order to move to Quad 3, or UNI needs to move from 207 to 200. Both are possible, obviously UNI is much closer.

Fun discussion.

Do you think the Illini have any shot of jumping to Quad 2 (if they start finishing off teams like they did last night....)?

Isn't it nice to not have any quad 2, 3 or 4 losses? Nobody can look at Iowa's resume & talk about one bad loss!

I really like the NET rankings and this quad system because if a team does not make the tournament, I think that particular fan base could understand the reasoning a little bit better than the old RPI "system."

Also, remember the last couple years when Syracuse was on the bubble & there was all the controversy if they belonged in the Big Dance? Hopefully this new selection system makes things more fair and more clear on why a Syracuse is selected over another bubble team.

 

[Franisdaman]

Duke still on the horizon?

I am pretty sure if I ...I mean, if Fran had a discussion with Coach K, Coach K would not want Iowa in Duke's bracket.

Agree?

 

[Hawksfor3]

I am pretty sure if I ...I mean, if Fran had a discussion with Coach K, Coach K would not want Iowa in Duke's bracket.

Agree?

You are "......daman"

 

[Bro D]

Thanks for continially updating @Franisdaman

 

[Franisdaman]

Thanks for continially updating @Franisdaman

You are very welcome.

Do you like this new approach in selecting teams? So far I do; seems a lot more logical and fair than the old RPI system.

 

[Moral]

You are very welcome.

Do you like this new approach in selecting teams? So far I do; seems a lot more logical and fair than the old RPI system.

I'll wait until the selection. It gives the stat nerds something to do, and I appreciate the work, but damn so many math.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

You are very welcome.

Do you like this new approach in selecting teams? So far I do; seems a lot more logical and fair than the old RPI system.

Considering the RPI has #1 Kansas # 2 Oklahoma #8 LSU #12 TCU #16 Temple......yeah, I would say the early returns say there’s been a definite upgrade.

 

[Bro D]

I'll wait until the selection. It gives the stat nerds something to do, and I appreciate the work, but damn so many math.

I was told there would be no math

 

[Franisdaman]

I'll wait until the selection. It gives the stat nerds something to do, and I appreciate the work, but damn so many math.

Lot more fun than politics!

 

[Moral]

Lot more fun than politics!

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

Fun discussion.

Do you think the Illini have any shot of jumping to Quad 2 (if they start finishing off teams like they did last night....)?

Isn't it nice to not have any quad 2, 3 or 4 losses? Nobody can look at Iowa's resume & talk about one bad loss!

I really like the NET rankings and this quad system because if a team does not make the tournament, I think that particular fan base could understand the reasoning a little bit better than the old RPI "system."

Also, remember the last couple years when Syracuse was on the bubble & there was all the controversy if they belonged in the Big Dance? Hopefully this new selection system makes things more fair and more clear on why a Syracuse is selected over another bubble team.

Unlikely the Illini improve. They're at 99 and need to get to 75. Possible, but I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Franisdaman]

Unlikely the Illini improve. They're at 99 and need to get to 75. Possible, but I wouldn't count on it.

they were 125 before the MN game and jumped to 99 after

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

For those asking about potential quad movements:

Quad 1:
Iowa State (16) and Nebraska (11) are solidly in the top 30, and unlikely to fall out. Northwestern is at 59, and with a poor finish could fall to 76, making that a quad 2 win.

Michigan State and Purdue losses are locked in the quad 1 bucket, as they aren't anywhere near the 75 cutoff for road games. Wisconsin is at 22, and needs to stay top 30, which I'm confident they will given their efficiency metrics.

Quad 2:
UConn is the only Quad 2 win that looks like it has real potential to fall to Quad 3. They're at 90 and need to stay top 100.

Quad 4:
Of our Quad 4 wins, Green Bay needs to move from 196 to 160 in order to move to Quad 3, or UNI needs to move from 207 to 200. Both are possible, obviously UNI is much closer.

I'm going to have to reevaluate my takes here. There's been bigger movement than I anticipated with recent results. Oregon moved up to 64 (needs to get to 50 for Quad 1), so there could be more movement than anticipated between the quads.

 

[Franisdaman]

I'm going to have to reevaluate my takes here. There's been bigger movement than I anticipated with recent results. Oregon moved up to 64 (needs to get to 50 for Quad 1), so there could be more movement than anticipated between the quads.

that's why i put the date of the NET ranking for each Iowa win and loss; it will be interesting to see how much movement there will be between quads between now and early March

Note that after ONE WIN vs Minny, the Illini went from #125 NET ranked to #99! Yikes!

 

[Franisdaman]

Imagine IF Iowa had pulled off the home win vs Wisky.

All 14 B1G teams' NET ranking:


Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1

2 2 Michigan Big Ten 17-0 3-0 2-0 12-0 0-0
5 6 Michigan St. Big Ten 16-2 5-1 2-1 9-0 0-0
14 11 Nebraska Big Ten 13-5 2-3 2-1 8-1 1-0
17 17 Purdue Big Ten 11-6 1-4 2-2 8-0 0-0
21 21 Maryland Big Ten 15-3 3-1 1-0 11-2 0-0
22 22 Wisconsin Big Ten 11-6 3-3 2-1 6-2 0-0
24 25 Iowa Big Ten 15-3 2-2 3-0 10-1 0-0
30 30 Indiana Big Ten 12-5 1-4 1-0 10-1 0-0
36 36 Ohio St. Big Ten 12-4 3-2 1-0 8-2 0-0
58 59 Northwestern Big Ten 10-7 0-3 2-1 8-3 0-0
65 63 Minnesota Big Ten 13-4 1-3 4-0 8-1 0-0
84 84 Penn St. Big Ten 7-11 1-5 1-2 5-4 0-0
101 99 Illinois Big Ten 5-12 0-4 0-4 5-4 0-0
137 136 Rutgers Big Ten 8-8 1-5 0-0 7-3 0-0

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

Nebbie losing to MSU helped them!

Imagine IF Iowa had pulled off the home win vs Wisky.

All 14 B1G teams' NET ranking:


Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1

2 2 Michigan Big Ten 17-0 3-0 2-0 12-0 0-0
5 6 Michigan St. Big Ten 16-2 5-1 2-1 9-0 0-0
14 11 Nebraska Big Ten 13-5 2-3 2-1 8-1 1-0
17 17 Purdue Big Ten 11-6 1-4 2-2 8-0 0-0
21 21 Maryland Big Ten 15-3 3-1 1-0 11-2 0-0
22 22 Wisconsin Big Ten 11-6 3-3 2-1 6-2 0-0
24 25 Iowa Big Ten 15-3 2-2 3-0 10-1 0-0
30 30 Indiana Big Ten 12-5 1-4 1-0 10-1 0-0
36 36 Ohio St. Big Ten 12-4 3-2 1-0 8-2 0-0
58 59 Northwestern Big Ten 10-7 0-3 2-1 8-3 0-0
65 63 Minnesota Big Ten 13-4 1-3 4-0 8-1 0-0
84 84 Penn St. Big Ten 7-11 1-5 1-2 5-4 0-0
101 99 Illinois Big Ten 5-12 0-4 0-4 5-4 0-0
137 136 Rutgers Big Ten 8-8 1-5 0-0 7-3 0-0

Helped how? NET went from 11 to 14.

 

[Franisdaman]

Helped how? NET went from 11 to 14.

my bad; i read it backwards LOL

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

my bad; i read it backwards LOL

You’re getting old, Fran.

 

[Franisdaman]

You’re getting old, Fran.

Fine! Fire me and pay me my buyout!

 

[HawkRugged17]

Fine! Fire me and pay me my buyout!

 

[Franisdaman]

can you remind me of what my buyout payment will be? i will take it lump sum, thank you very much!

 

[HawkRugged17]

can you remind me of what my buyout payment will be? i will take it lump sum, thank you very much!

 

[Underscore2]

Very good chance that Ohio State slips up to quad 1 range if they can knock off Maryland tonight.

 

[El Simbolo]

Strange that NET rating page doesn’t list SOS

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

FYI, NCAA has an archive page where they save excel files daily. You can use these to track movement if you don't want to update daily.

 

[Franisdaman]

FYI, NCAA has an archive page where they save excel files daily. You can use these to track movement if you don't want to update daily.

Do you have a link to that archive page? Thanks!

Can you track movement by team?

The reason I ask is because to me it would be interesting to see how these NET rankings fluctuate; if the ILLINI get on a roll (starting Monday!), they could move way up; as stated in previous posts in this thread, in ONE DAY they went from 125 to 99. Crazy jump by simply beating one team, Minny, at home!

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Someone told me the NCAA is allowing beer sales in DSM this year. Is this true? I know they piloted it with baseball.

This totally changes my plan for attendance if so.

 

[HawkRugged17]

Someone told me the NCAA is allowing beer sales in DSM this year. Is this true? I know they piloted it with baseball.

This totally changes my plan for attendance if so.

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

I'll post it next time I'm on my computer. I think you can find it by googling NCAA Team Sheets. It's a sharepoint site where they load team sheets, NET rankings, and a NittyGritty sheet daily (leaving old files up).

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

Do you have a link to that archive page? Thanks!

Can you track movement by team?

The reason I ask is because to me it would be interesting to see how these NET rankings fluctuate; if the ILLINI get on a roll (starting Monday!), they could move way up; as stated in previous posts in this thread, in ONE DAY they went from 125 to 99. Crazy jump by simply beating one team, Minny, at home!

https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/SitePages/Home.aspx