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NET Ranking: On March 17, Iowa is #43. How NET is Determined & What's a QUAD 1, 2, 3 & 4 Win/Loss

The original post has been updated with what follows.

Today (Jan 22) Iowa is #25 in the NET Rankings. Right now are we looking at a 6 or 7 seed?

TWO things will be used by the NCAA Selection Committee when selecting the NCAA Tournament Teams & then seeding them:

(1) The NET ranking, an index that incorporates the most current evaluation measures; and

(2) A tighter definition of a quality win, classifying wins as Quad 1, Quad 2, Quad 3 and Quad 4.

The hope is that by using (1) and (2) we will have a more accurate selection and seeding procedure.


The quadrant system will still be used on team sheets, which sort results in the following manner:

To date, WHAT FOLLOWS are the Iowa (16-3) quadrant wins & losses. NOTE that:

* The date of the opponent's NET Ranking is listed.

* Similar to the NET ranking, a quad 1 win today might not be one in March.


SORTING OF #25 (NET Rank) IOWA'S RESULTS (16-3) INTO THE 4 QUADS:


Quadrant 1 (3-3): Home vs a 1-30 team, Neutral site vs 1-50, Away vs 1-75.

WINS
# 24 on Jan 16 (H) Iowa State
# 10 on Jan 16 (H) Nebraska
# 58 on Jan 16 (A) Northwestern

LOSSES
# 20 on Jan 16 (H) Wisconsin
#7 on Jan 16 (A) Michigan State
#17 on Jan 16 (A) Purdue


Quadrant 2 (5-0): Home vs a 31-75, Neutral site vs 51-100, Away vs 76-135.

WINS
#77 on Jan 16 (N) Oregon
#88 on Jan 16 (N) UConn
#53 on Jan 16 (H) Pittsburgh
# 36 on Jan 16 (H) Ohio State
#84 on Jan 17 (A) Penn State


Quadrant 3 (1-0): Home vs a 76-160, Neutral site vs 101-200, Away vs 135-240.

WINS
#99 on Jan 17 Illinois (H)



Quadrant 4 (7-0): Home vs a 161-353, Neutral vs 201-353, Away vs 241-353

WINS
#234 on Jan 16 (H) UMKC
#192 on Jan 16 (H) Green Bay
#324 on Jan 16 (H) Alabama State
#217 on Jan 16 (N) UNI
#269 on Jan 16 (H) Western Carolina
#343 on Jan 16 (H) Savannah State
#316 on Jan 16 (H) Bryant


12 games left on the schedule:

Quadrant 1 (9 games): Home vs a 1-30 team, Neutral site vs 1-50, Away vs 1-75

#6 on Jan 17 Michigan State (H)
#63 on Jan 17 Minnesota (A)
#2 on Jan 17 Michigan (H)
#30 on Jan 17 Indiana (A)
#21 on Jan 17 Maryland (H)
#30 on Jan 17 Indiana (H)
#36 on Jan 17 Ohio State (A)
#22 on Jan 17 Wisconsin (A)
#11 on Jan 17 Nebraska (A)

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Quadrant 2 (1 game): Home vs a 31-75, Neutral site vs 51-100, Away vs 76-135.

#59 on Jan 17 Northwestern (H)


Quadrant 3 (2 games): Home vs a 76-160, Neutral site vs 101-200, Away vs 135-240.

#136 on Jan 17 Rutgers (A)
#136 on Jan 17 Rutgers (H)


Quadrant 4 (0 games): Home vs a 161-353, Neutral vs 201-353, Away vs 241-353

NONE LEFT ON THE SCHEDULE

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Previous NET Rankings for Iowa:

#25 on Jan 19
#24 on Jan 18
#29 on Jan 13
#35 on Jan 12


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To see all teams' NET Rankings & quadrant results, open the link that follows, scroll down on the page that comes up & on the far right you will see NET Team Sheets - Games through [date]. Click on the most recent link or a previous date.

LINK: https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/SitePages/Home.aspx


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ALL B1G TEAMS' NET RANKINGS:

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
3 5 Michigan St. Big Ten 17-2 5-1 2-1 10-0 0-0
6 6 Michigan Big Ten 17-1 3-1 2-0 12-0 0-0
15 15 Purdue Big Ten 12-6 1-4 2-2 9-0 0-0
18 17 Wisconsin Big Ten 12-6 3-3 2-1 7-2 0-0
20 20 Maryland Big Ten 16-4 4-2 1-0 11-2 0-0
21 13 Nebraska Big Ten 13-6 2-4 2-1 8-1 1-0
25 24 Iowa Big Ten 16-3 2-2 3-0 11-1 0-0
34 33 Indiana Big Ten 12-6 1-5 1-0 10-1 0-0
38 39 Ohio St. Big Ten 12-5 3-2 1-0 8-3 0-0
57 58 Northwestern Big Ten 11-7 1-3 2-1 8-3 0-0
66 65 Minnesota Big Ten 14-4 1-3 4-0 9-1 0-0
76 75 Penn St. Big Ten 7-12 1-6 1-2 5-4 0-0
110 108 Illinois Big Ten 5-13 0-5 0-4 5-4 0-0
130 142 Rutgers Big Ten 9-9 1-5 0-0 8-4 0-0
 
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Just a quick FYI on something I noticed on the team sheets. Quadrant 1 and Quadrant 2 wins are broken down even further.

Quadrant 1 H 1-15 N 1-25 A 1-40
Quadrant 1 H 16-30 N 26-50 A 41-75

Quadrant 2 H 31-55 N 51-75 A 76-100
Quadrant 2 H 56-75 N 76-100 A 101-135
 
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There was no update to today's NET rankings; not sure why.

ALL B1G TEAMS' NET RANKINGS:

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
5 5 Michigan St. Big Ten 16-2 5-1 2-1 9-0 0-0
6 6 Michigan Big Ten 17-1 3-1 2-0 12-0 0-0
13 15 Nebraska Big Ten 13-5 2-3 2-1 8-1 1-0
15 14 Purdue Big Ten 12-6 1-4 2-2 9-0 0-0
17 16 Wisconsin Big Ten 12-6 3-3 2-1 7-2 0-0
20 20 Maryland Big Ten 16-3 4-1 1-0 11-2 0-0
24 25 Iowa Big Ten 16-3 2-2 3-0 11-1 0-0
33 34 Indiana Big Ten 12-6 1-5 1-0 10-1 0-0
39 40 Ohio St. Big Ten 12-5 3-2 1-0 8-3 0-0
58 60 Northwestern Big Ten 11-7 1-3 2-1 8-3 0-0
65 67 Minnesota Big Ten 14-4 1-3 4-0 9-1 0-0
75 75 Penn St. Big Ten 7-12 1-6 1-2 5-4 0-0
108 104 Illinois Big Ten 5-13 0-5 0-4 5-4 0-0
142 142 Rutgers Big Ten 8-9 1-5 0-0 7-4 0-0
 
Seems like Syracuse is always a controversial bubble team.

How many ACC teams get in? Will Syracuse get in? ;)

Also, Notre Dame really has dropped

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
1 1 Virginia ACC 16-1 4-1 3-0 9-0 0-0
2 2 Duke ACC 15-2 2-0 4-1 9-1 0-0
9 9 Virginia Tech ACC 15-2 1-2 4-0 10-0 0-0
12 12 North Carolina ACC 14-4 5-1 1-2 8-1 0-0
16 17 Louisville ACC 13-5 3-2 0-2 10-1 0-0
26 27 NC State ACC 15-3 2-2 2-0 11-1 0-0
40 33 Florida St. ACC 13-5 1-3 4-1 8-1 0-0
47 47 Syracuse ACC 13-5 3-0 0-2 10-3 0-0
55 53 Pittsburgh ACC 12-6 0-4 2-0 10-2 0-0
57 57 Clemson ACC 11-6 1-2 2-2 8-2 0-0
77 80 Notre Dame ACC 11-7 0-3 1-1 10-3 0-0
90 91 Georgia Tech ACC 10-8 2-3 0-1 8-4 0-0
96 93 Miami (FL) ACC 9-8 0-3 2-2 7-3 0-0
124 138 Boston College ACC 10-7 1-3 2-0 7-4 0-0
174 174 Wake Forest ACC 8-9 0-5 2-1 6-3 0-0
 
Franisdaman said:
There was no update to today's NET rankings; not sure why.

ALL B1G TEAMS' NET RANKINGS:

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
5 5 Michigan St. Big Ten 16-2 5-1 2-1 9-0 0-0
6 6 Michigan Big Ten 17-1 3-1 2-0 12-0 0-0
13 15 Nebraska Big Ten 13-5 2-3 2-1 8-1 1-0
15 14 Purdue Big Ten 12-6 1-4 2-2 9-0 0-0
17 16 Wisconsin Big Ten 12-6 3-3 2-1 7-2 0-0
20 20 Maryland Big Ten 16-3 4-1 1-0 11-2 0-0
24 25 Iowa Big Ten 16-3 2-2 3-0 11-1 0-0
33 34 Indiana Big Ten 12-6 1-5 1-0 10-1 0-0
39 40 Ohio St. Big Ten 12-5 3-2 1-0 8-3 0-0
58 60 Northwestern Big Ten 11-7 1-3 2-1 8-3 0-0
65 67 Minnesota Big Ten 14-4 1-3 4-0 9-1 0-0
75 75 Penn St. Big Ten 7-12 1-6 1-2 5-4 0-0
108 104 Illinois Big Ten 5-13 0-5 0-4 5-4 0-0
142 142 Rutgers Big Ten 8-9 1-5 0-0 7-4 0-0
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How far does Nebraska fall after that terrible loss last night? Worried that might become a Quad 2 win by end of year
 
hawkland14 said:
How far does Nebraska fall after that terrible loss last night? Worried that might become a Quad 2 win by end of year
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Nebraska/Penn St/UConn/NW and, probably negligible as far as tournament seeding selection goes, UNI are the most likely candidates to fall out of their respective quadrants.
 
hawkland14 said:
How far does Nebraska fall after that terrible loss last night? Worried that might become a Quad 2 win by end of year
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it will be interesting to see how far they move down after last night's loss; I just hope Iowa can go to Rutgers and beat them (suddenly a game at Rutgers is not an easy win)

Speaking of movement in the NET rankings: the Illini, in one day, after beating Minnesota at home, went from 125 to 99; I honestly did not think there would be much movement from day to day in the NET rankings until this happened with the Illini
 
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Franisdaman said:
Speaking of movement in the NET rankings: the Illini, in one day, after beating Minnesota at home, went from 125 to 99; I honestly did not think there would be much movement from day to day in the NET rankings until this happened with the Illini
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And Illinois is back down to 108 today; crazy volatility considering the season is almost 2/3rds over.
 
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Franisdaman said:
There was no update to today's NET rankings; not sure why.

ALL B1G TEAMS' NET RANKINGS:

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
5 5 Michigan St. Big Ten 16-2 5-1 2-1 9-0 0-0
6 6 Michigan Big Ten 17-1 3-1 2-0 12-0 0-0
13 15 Nebraska Big Ten 13-5 2-3 2-1 8-1 1-0
15 14 Purdue Big Ten 12-6 1-4 2-2 9-0 0-0
17 16 Wisconsin Big Ten 12-6 3-3 2-1 7-2 0-0
20 20 Maryland Big Ten 16-3 4-1 1-0 11-2 0-0
24 25 Iowa Big Ten 16-3 2-2 3-0 11-1 0-0
33 34 Indiana Big Ten 12-6 1-5 1-0 10-1 0-0
39 40 Ohio St. Big Ten 12-5 3-2 1-0 8-3 0-0
58 60 Northwestern Big Ten 11-7 1-3 2-1 8-3 0-0
65 67 Minnesota Big Ten 14-4 1-3 4-0 9-1 0-0
75 75 Penn St. Big Ten 7-12 1-6 1-2 5-4 0-0
108 104 Illinois Big Ten 5-13 0-5 0-4 5-4 0-0
142 142 Rutgers Big Ten 8-9 1-5 0-0 7-4 0-0
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Update is finally in. Nebraska to 21, Penn St back to Q2.
 
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Quadrant 1 (9 games): Home vs a 1-30 team, Neutral site vs 1-50, Away vs 1-75

#6 on Jan 17 Michigan State (H)
#63 on Jan 17 Minnesota (A)
#2 on Jan 17 Michigan (H)
#30 on Jan 17 Indiana (A)
#21 on Jan 17 Maryland (H)
#30 on Jan 17 Indiana (H)
#36 on Jan 17 Ohio State (A)
#22 on Jan 17 Wisconsin (A)
#11 on Jan 17 Nebraska (A)
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So we're in good shape?
 
HawkLand said:
ISU loses and moves up. Iowa goes down without playing. Makes sense. I will expect Iowa to move up if we lose Thursday.
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Lose a close game against a good team on the road and that is likely to happen. Efficiency metrics guys wanted it and that’s what happens.

For the record the efficiency stuff really helps Iowa State this year.
 
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Underscore2 said:
A thousand times better than RPI. Look up Nebraska's SOS and teams they played out of conf.
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i remember story after story in years past how teams would schedule to manipulate/inflate their RPI; Iowa fans would bi%ch that Barta/Fran did not know how to play the RPI game

Can you schedule/manipulate NET like your could RPI? i have not heard anyone say you can so that is definitely a good thing!
 
HawkLand said:
ISU loses and moves up. Iowa goes down without playing. Makes sense. I will expect Iowa to move up if we lose Thursday.
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The entire purpose of NET and the various efficiency rankings are to try to determine how good a team is beyond whether they won or lost a game. Minnesota losing last night on a buzzer beater is not the same as losing the same game by 40 points...but in the RPI it would have been treated the exact same. You can really only move way up or way down if the result of the game varies wildly from it's expected result. For instance, I think our biggest movement this year was we dropped a whole bunch of spots after the Bryant game. In the RPI we might have only lost a spot or two, if even that ,from playing a ~300 team but still getting a win. If we narrowly lose tomorrow night, you can expect us to stay the same or even move up a spot or two. If you look at that in a vacuum, like how can you judge a team based on how much they beat Bryant...well, it all balances out once you go through the whole schedule and get a bigger picture.

There's plenty of reason not to like it but in truth there are a couple seasons I can think of in the Fran era where it may have helped us with seeding or even getting into the tournament (Fran's 3rd season).
 
Franisdaman said:
If either Iowa or ISU get a 4 seed, aren't their chances of playing in Des Moines high? I forget where I heard that.
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Right now the chances for either playing in Des Moines might be better if you are a 5 seed or lower. Many rules for placement. Top 16 seeds are in order assigned to one of 8 cities based upon their preferences. Only 2 teams assigned per city from top 16. Top 4 in your conference, and in the top 16, you will all be assigned to different regions before they double up in a region. 1st round game is normally not a team you played in the season. Conference mates that played once can meet in round of 32. Conference mates that have met twice, they can meet in the the round of 16. If they played 3 times, they can not meet until the round of 8.

Based on the teams in the top 16, Des Moines is the #2 city in terms of closeness to the most teams. Columbus, Ohio is the #1 city in closeness. So there are going to be a boatload of teams wanting placement in Des Moines. Michigan and MSU and KU and UK are all potential high seeds there. Both ISU and UI might actually have better shots at Des Moines being seeding or lower, than being a top 16 team would.
 
Right now we are 5-3 in B1G

We should win our NON Quadrant 1 Games .... 8-3

Of the remaining 9 games, as noted, all are Quadrant 1. We should win at least 2, which would get us to .500 in conf. play and in the tourney, probably an 8 or 9 seed. Any wins beyond that boost our seeding, some of which depends on our "mix." Beating a Michigan or MSU would be monumental, though not likely.
 
Penn State is now Quad 1 win, but, that may move back to Quad 2
Rutgers is bouncing around Quad 2 and Quad 3 for the road game
 
MikeyHawk said:
Penn State is now Quad 1 win, but, that may move back to Quad 2
Rutgers is bouncing around Quad 2 and Quad 3 for the road game
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Yeah, Penn State has been bouncing around a bit recently from quad 2 to quad 1 and then back to quad 2; just wish they would stay quad 1 :)

It will be interesting to see where Rutgers falls, too; they are playing better & knocking teams off at home; like you said, suddenly they are creeping into quad 2, which would be great for Iowa's team sheet

Things are a bit fluid at the moment.

Fun discussion & its awesome that Iowa is part of it this year!
 
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REMEMBER! MSU's win will be capped at 10 points tonight!
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I have one issue with the NET rankings that I hope gets resolved before next year. Yes, there’s a 10 point cap on margin of victory but there isn’t a cap on efficiency. Plus quality of opponent isn’t factored into the NET’s efficiency rankings. I think you asked if the system could be gamed the other day. Yes, yes it can.
 
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REMEMBER! MSU's win will be capped at 10 points tonight!
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