Think of it this way - the higher the win, the better, and the lower the loss, the worse.
NET Ranking: On March 17, Iowa is #43. How NET is Determined & What's a QUAD 1, 2, 3 & 4 Win/Loss
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thankfully we don't have any Quad 4 losses this year!
UNI has been floating between Quad 3 & Quad 4, too.
FYI - for those monitoring the Bracket Project, 3 three teams immediately ahead of us have lost since the last ranking updates (Buffalo @ BGSU, Oklahoma @ WV, Maryland @ Wisc). I'd expect to see us in the 5 seed range in the next day or two as more brackets update.
Man, we have just 9 reg season games to go. Let's hope they finish strong; a 5 seed (or better) in the NCAA Tournament would be huge for our chances of making it to the Sweet 16.
The Sweet 16....we are long over due.
Coach,
I appreciate all the work you’ve done on this thread, in addition to your other responsibilities.
I will do my best to get us to at least a 5 seed in the NCAA Tournament.
Then, of course, I will go for what I call my R.E.L.B. (raise, extension, larger buyout).
Couple other points:
* Nebraska (# 10 in NET on Jan 16; #28 on Feb 2) lost to #110 Illinois today. Look for Nebbie to drop a few spots tomorrow.
* We played Minny on Jan 27. Then we went 5 days until our next game (Feb 1 vs Michigan). Then we will go another 6 days until our next game (Feb 7 at IU). I hope the positives of these layoffs outweigh the negatives.
Given Cook has been banged up, I think it is good timing for the extra rest. Whatever it takes to keep Joe from hitting the freshman wall, too.
What do you think of Tim Miles? Wasn't this supposed to be their year? Granted, they have an injured guy (Copeland) out for the season, but is this collapse acceptable to the fan base?
Fran was without Cook for 2 games; he adjusted; Iowa adjusted; and Iowa won both of those games.
This is of course opinion, but I do not think Fran has had a starting 5 as talented as the current Nebraska team. Though the BIG was down and the Huskers had an easy schedule, I do not scoff at a 13-5 B1G record. In a similar situation, with your entire team back, what would Iowa fan expectations be? I’m guessing 2010 Iowa footballish. So I’m guessing their fan base is losing -to-Minnesota-unhappy right about now.
Depending on the rankings you use, Nebraska was starting upperclassmen with rankings of 5 star, 4,4, and 4. They were taking teams to the woodshed early in the year, hence their lofty NET ranking.
Nebraska has certainly underachieved, even when healthy. I'd personally be hesitant to make a move if I was the AD, but more because I don't see a clear upgrade available.
His seat is warm, but not sure who else you bring in...
His seat is warm, but not sure who else you bring in...
Just curious; if you were the Nebbie AD, what would you be thinking right now? Fans probably are a bit upset with the recent tail spin but should the AD be? Personally, I think Miles is safe but I don't like that they are struggling so mightily ever since losing one player. It's his job to adjust and so far he/they haven't.
Agreed. You're not happy, and definitely doing homework on mid major coaches, looking for a gem, while monitoring the carousel this year.
The problem is going to be recruiting, so you need a coach that can both develop and draw up good sets. Maybe you make a run at Hoiberg? I'm not sure, there aren't any clear "Brad Stevens" types. Even Shaka Smart has only been decent in the B12, so those hires don't always pan out.
I suppose if you could get Hoiberg to listen?
The problem is going to be recruiting, so you need a coach that can both develop and draw up good sets. Maybe you make a run at Hoiberg? I'm not sure, there aren't any clear "Brad Stevens" types. Even Shaka Smart has only been decent in the B12, so those hires don't always pan out.
I suppose if you could get Hoiberg to listen?
There’s been quite a bit of discussion about Nebraska’s home court, and I’m on the side it is a unique, marquee advantage that coaches would look upon as a big plus for recruiting and building.
It is true that Iowa has had some great crowds, but when Nebraska has halfway been cooking their crowd is on fire for every team that comes in, including the quad 4 powder puffs.
Lastly, their current AD did not hire Miles; he may want to get his own man whom he believes will be able to Nebraskaball to the “next level.” So there are justifiable reasons to make a change if their current trajectory doesn’t change.
Personally, I would welcome the change as an Iowa fan because it probably would mean a few years of rebuilding, and the threat that the job becomes a carousel ride like Illinois football.
its just interesting:
* they have lost 5 in a row (4 stand out to me: at Rutgers; at Illinois; home vs OSU & home vs WI)
* they are 2-7 over their last 9 games
* their NET ranking has plummeted from #10 on Jan 16 to #28 on Feb 2
* Miles does not seem to be pushing the right buttons ever since Copeland got injured
* Neb is 3-8 in the B1G; will they win 6 B1G games? If so, will 6-14 in the B1G be good enough? Their remaining games:
vs MD;
at Purdue;
vs MN;
vs N'w;
at PSU;
vs Pur;
at Mich;
at MSU;
vs Iowa
Iowa fans complain and complain about Fran’s inability to coach defense. And rightfully so upon occasion: My father left my house and stopped watching during the Minnesota for the first time in my life.
But..but...Fran is an elite offensive coach. He has produced high octane, all big ten players without any of them truly being NBA quality.
Miles and Chambers for all their teams’ fire on defense, have zero offensive flow. Nebraskaball under Miles has always devolved into isolation whether it was Petteway or any of their current crop of scorers.
If I was Neb AD, I’d probably be looking at Otzelburger at SDSU.
Don’t think there’s any way Miles survives this season outside of a crazy run.
Don’t think there’s any way Miles survives this season outside of a crazy run.
I did a quick search on his buyout. Looks like he would be owed $2,520,000 (24 months x $105,000):
Apr 17, 2018--Buyout is $105K per month for whatever time remains on his contract should Miles be fired. Miles' contract now runs through the 2020-21 season. He will make 2.5 million a year starting next April (2019). If fired before the end of his contract in 2021, Nebraska will owe him $105k for each month remaining.
and when your current 5 game losing streak includes losses to Rutgers & Illinois?
It will be interesting to see what transpires in March. They better make the Big Dance, for starters, imo.
I'm noticing that the section of the team sheets that are split into quads are labeled as RPI - has anyone seen clarification on whether the quads are based upon RPI or NET? I've been using NET rankings, but assume there would be some fluctuation between NET and RPI, could necessitate some subtle tweaks in seed lists for teams that played against competition close to the quad cutoffs.
those team sheets where the results are sorted are based on NET from what I can tell
God damn it. Just a pathetic athletic department in every aspect. Thanks, 'skers.
I think everyone kind of thought Nebraska was just going to free fall at this point.
By the time Iowa goes to Lincoln, Miles could very well be told that he is not going to be coming back.
Of course it will be right before the Iowa game, and they will be in win one for coach Miles mode.
Oh and UNC wins at Louisville by a lot and drops 1 in the NET, will leave this NET analysis to Franisdaman, cuz just when I think I figure something out, I end up being way wrong
I thought winning on the road by a big margin against a top 20 NET is a big plus.
Maybe the horrible NC State performance is taking down ACC schools.
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I did some research following some of the Nebraska coaching discussion. I hadn't remembered that Tyronn Lue was from Nebraska. If I could get him, I would, nearly regardless of cost.
How deep is Nebby's pockets??? Paying 3 football coaches and then if they have to pay for 2 bball coaches.......OUCH!!!!
Nebbie just needs to get back to 30 (they are now 33) and they are Quad 1 again
I think everyone kind of thought Nebraska was just going to free fall at this point.
By the time Iowa goes to Lincoln, Miles could very well be told that he is not going to be coming back.
Of course it will be right before the Iowa game, and they will be in win one for coach Miles mode.
Oh and UNC wins at Louisville by a lot and drops 1 in the NET, will leave this NET analysis to Franisdaman, cuz just when I think I figure something out, I end up being way wrong
I thought winning on the road by a big margin against a top 20 NET is a big plus.
Maybe the horrible NC State performance is taking down ACC schools.
NC State did drop 8 spots in one day by losing badly at home. Scoring just 24 points in a game has to have a major hit on their offensive efficiency.
There are a lot of stats/numbers that get tossed into the NET computer rankings.I guess since Va Tech was already 10, there was not much room to move up (they moved up to 9).
What do you think about Syracuse? If selections were made today, would they make it? See the ACC rankings below.
In one day, Pitt (one of Iowa's home wins) dropped 12 spots in the NET. Pitt was #53 on Jan 16. They are now #81. Yikes!!!
Pitt was a Quad 2 win for Iowa when they were #53; now they are a Quad 3 win for Iowa. So Pitt's downward spiral affects Iowa's NET ranking as well. That's why we all have to remember that there is going to be a lot of fluidity in both the NET rankings and in the sorting of our wins & losses into the 4 Quadrants.I think when it's all said and done, NET will be a lot more fair than RPI. Teams/coaches manipulated their schedule to manipulate RPI; it does not appear you can manipulate NET as much.
Look at Notre Dame and Miami; I did not expect either to be this bad this year.
Is the FBI probe taking its toll on Miami?
it makes me sick how North Carolina & Louisville cheat & they are both looking at a great seed for the NCAA Tournament. Too bad NET does not have a sleeze component.
Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
1 1 Virginia ACC 20-1 6-1 3-0 11-0 0-0
3 3 Duke ACC 19-2 4-0 4-1 11-1 0-0
9 10 Virginia Tech ACC 18-3 3-3 4-0 11-0 0-0
10 9 North Carolina ACC 17-4 7-1 1-2 9-1 0-0
15 13 Louisville ACC 16-6 4-2 0-2 12-2 0-0
31 33 Florida St. ACC 16-5 2-3 4-1 10-1 0-0
34 26 NC State ACC 16-6 2-3 2-0 12-3 0-0
42 45 Syracuse ACC 16-6 5-1 0-2 11-3 0-0
53 53 Clemson ACC 12-8 1-4 2-2 9-2 0-0
81 69 Pittsburgh ACC 12-10 0-6 2-0 10-4 0-0
88 95 Notre Dame ACC 12-10 1-4 1-1 10-5 0-0
93 93 Georgia Tech ACC 11-11 2-5 0-1 9-5 0-0
110 113 Miami (FL) ACC 9-12 0-5 2-2 7-5 0-0
135 122 Boston College ACC 11-9 2-3 2-0 7-6 0-0
194 192 Wake Forest ACC 8-12 0-6 2-1 6-5 0-0
NET rankings are on everyone's minds this year. The media is paying big time attention, too.
Chad LeistikowVerified account@ChadLeistikow Feb 2
Iowa's NCAA NET ranking went up from 27 to 22 after last night's win against Michigan, which fell from 4 to 6.
Chad LeistikowVerified account@ChadLeistikow Feb 2
Iowa's NCAA NET ranking went up from 27 to 22 after last night's win against Michigan, which fell from 4 to 6.
Agreed. I don’t follow the intricacies if the system like some do on here but just looking at Quad wins/losses how can Nebraska be higher then Ohio St?
Nebraska’s NET has made zero sense since day 1. At 13-9 and 22 games into the season they have not beaten a top 40 NET ranked team(at quick glance so correct me if I’m wrong). How in the world that plays out to a #33 ranking is beyond me?
They clearly played a perfect schedule to beat the system.
They clearly played a perfect schedule to beat the system.
Warren Nolan was talking about this yesterday.. schedule a bunch of teams that are 280 or better and beat the living piss out of them for efficiency ratings..
The rest of the season looks pretty good, IMHO. We are done with the Top 3 in the conference. We get Indiana twice, Rutgers twice, NW, Wisky, OSU, Nebby and Maryland.
Not terribly confident about any road game, but not afraid of any of them like I would be against the Michigan schools or Purdue.
Just win, baby!
Not terribly confident about any road game, but not afraid of any of them like I would be against the Michigan schools or Purdue.
Just win, baby!
I root for Debbie to lose every time, but in all fairness, they only played FOUR Quad 4 games; Iowa played 7 (now 6, because UNI is now a Quad 3 win).
With NET, you will get rewarded for playing a tougher schedule.
Check out the quad results of Nebbie & Iowa:
Quad 1
2-6 Neb
3-5 Iowa
Quad 2
3-3 Neb
5-0 Iowa
Quad 3
3-0 Neb
3-0 Iowa
Quad 4
4-0 Neb
6-0 Iowa
I will be anxious to see the latest bracketology update after this weekend.
By just using NET that would put Nebbie at a 9 seed. I can’t believe the 12/13 place team in the big 10 would make the field when there best OOC win is #50.
I don’t know how it lays out, maybe there is a huge gap between 22-33 for the NET ranking. I just feel like Iowa and Nebraska shouldn’t be that close together in the rankings. IMO, the fact of playing 2 less quad 4 teams shouldn’t almost cancel out losing 40% of your games with 0 top 40 wins. My goodness, Iowa has only one loss outside the Top 12. That is crazy BTW.
Iowa losses: 8,8,11,12,53
Neb losses: 8,12,16,22,24,35,53,98,112
Iowa <100 wins: 5,13,33,35,58,66,74,79,85,98
Neb <100 wins: 43,50,59,68,81,85,98
Long story short in my mind, you can quadrant this and quadrant that but if you are 0-6 against top 40 teams you are probably not the 33rd best team in the country. playing 2 less quad 4 games + a DII school shouldn’t be that much of a bump.
I am honestly not saying this cause it’s Nebraska. Except for questioning their net rank I don’t think you could find a negative thing ive ever said about them. Heck, it would be better for Iowa if they did well. I’m sure there are other teams like this to, but I just follow the B10 closer.
Also, someone pointed out in another thread how terrible the bubble teams resumes are this year. So maybe teams ranked 30 or lower just aren’t very good this year.
By just using NET that would put Nebbie at a 9 seed. I can’t believe the 12/13 place team in the big 10 would make the field when there best OOC win is #50.
I don’t know how it lays out, maybe there is a huge gap between 22-33 for the NET ranking. I just feel like Iowa and Nebraska shouldn’t be that close together in the rankings. IMO, the fact of playing 2 less quad 4 teams shouldn’t almost cancel out losing 40% of your games with 0 top 40 wins. My goodness, Iowa has only one loss outside the Top 12. That is crazy BTW.
Iowa losses: 8,8,11,12,53
Neb losses: 8,12,16,22,24,35,53,98,112
Iowa <100 wins: 5,13,33,35,58,66,74,79,85,98
Neb <100 wins: 43,50,59,68,81,85,98
Long story short in my mind, you can quadrant this and quadrant that but if you are 0-6 against top 40 teams you are probably not the 33rd best team in the country. playing 2 less quad 4 games + a DII school shouldn’t be that much of a bump.
I am honestly not saying this cause it’s Nebraska. Except for questioning their net rank I don’t think you could find a negative thing ive ever said about them. Heck, it would be better for Iowa if they did well. I’m sure there are other teams like this to, but I just follow the B10 closer.
Also, someone pointed out in another thread how terrible the bubble teams resumes are this year. So maybe teams ranked 30 or lower just aren’t very good this year.
There aren’t many cities to live in that are at best a lateral move from Cleveland. Lincoln is one of them. Woof.
I've been rereading the bracketing principles and thought this may have an interesting impact...
"Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional final if they played each other three or more times during the regular season and conference tournament.
Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional semifinals if they played each other twice during the regular season and conference tournament.
Teams from the same conference may play each other as early as the second round if they played no more than once during the regular season and conference tournament."
Given the question of MSU/Mich being 1s or 2s, this could have an impact on our seed.
We can't be in MSU's region and play them in the sweet sixteen. If we meet in BTT, then not until the elite eight. Same for Wisconsin, who may be a 3 or 4 seed.
We could play Michigan in 2nd round (sweet 16 if we play in BTT). Same with Purdue who is looking like a 3 seed.
So depending where conference foes end up, we will have less seeding options.
"Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional final if they played each other three or more times during the regular season and conference tournament.
Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional semifinals if they played each other twice during the regular season and conference tournament.
Teams from the same conference may play each other as early as the second round if they played no more than once during the regular season and conference tournament."
Given the question of MSU/Mich being 1s or 2s, this could have an impact on our seed.
We can't be in MSU's region and play them in the sweet sixteen. If we meet in BTT, then not until the elite eight. Same for Wisconsin, who may be a 3 or 4 seed.
We could play Michigan in 2nd round (sweet 16 if we play in BTT). Same with Purdue who is looking like a 3 seed.
So depending where conference foes end up, we will have less seeding options.
