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For the "remember how bad it was in the 70's crowd" lets take a look at situations were a new coach brought a stale/stagnant program back from mediocrity.

I'll start with Justin Fuente at Virginia Tech.
Frank Beamer was the Head Hokie from 1987-2015. They enjoyed more success with him at the helm than any other coach in history, and posted 8 straight 10 win seasons at one point.
HIs final 4 seasons were a different story, and his teams went a very Iowa like 7-6, 8-5, 7-6, and 7-6.
Justin Fuente took over in 2016 and in his first year posted a 10-4 record. This year, they sit at 6-1 and #13 in the country.
 
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LaFlamaBlanca99 said:
For the "remember how bad it was in the 70's crowd" lets take a look at situations were a new coach brought a stale/stagnant program back from mediocrity.

I'll start with Justin Fuente at Virginia Tech.
Frank Beamer was the Head Hokie from 1987-2015. They enjoyed more success with him at the helm than any other coach in history, and posted 8 straight 10 win seasons at one point.
HIs final 4 seasons were a different story, and his teams went a very Iowa like 7-6, 8-5, 7-6, and 7-6.
Justin Fuente took over in 2016 and in his first year posted a 10-4 record. This year, they sit at 6-1 and #13 in the country.
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How many user names do you have at the moment? Isn't it kind of a pain? You would be more productive if you focused on your job.
 
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How many user names do you have at the moment? Isn't it kind of a pain? You would be more productive if you focused on your job.
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Not if you're mired in mediocrity working a mediocre job
 
It doesn't make any sense to be afraid to change. There's no way to avoid risk, a concept that KF--like some folks on here--doesn't understand at all. There is great risk in taking no risks. There is great risk in NOT blitzing when a blitz is called for. There is great risk in running the ball when the defense is waiting for it. What smart and successful people have always done is take calculated risks.

Yes, if you blitz you might get burned, but the same is true if you don't. Remember that last four seconds of the PSU game? Conservative defense. No blitz. No risk. No reward. It's been true for thousands of years, and it always will be true. But KF won't admit that, and Iowa football continues to be the worse for it.

New leadership, a new voice, is needed in Iowa City. I hope I'm still around when it finally arrives.
 
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Or perhaps a guy who is an IOWA loyalist and doesn't give a $$it about the accepting mediocrity BS over a situation doesn't have control over and doesn't affect his life one way or another. Whether or not IA football is successful, it's not going to help pay my mortgage, kid's college tuition, etc. I do have issues over 'accepting mediocrity' over stuff I can control and have a hand in. Iowa football is not one of them, it's entertainment.
 
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There's no way to avoid risk, a concept that KF--like some folks on here--doesn't understand at all.
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I'd argue the general US populace lives their lives the same way. So many on here call for aggression and risk-taking in football, but live milquetoast lives, taking safe routes along the way. It's armchair coaching at its finest.

Then there's the irony that if a certain playcall has a better chance of succeeding, it's actually the safer call, even if the traditional view labels it as risky. Look at the fourth down statistics. The numbers say teams should go for it much more often, even the majority of the time. But going on fourth down is seen as risky, and if it doesn't work, the coach gets heat. So coaches take the risky move of punting to save face.
 
speaking of 4th downs this is the 1st season where I have seen KF go for the 1st down on 4th down,
I also look at the 18 FR that have played and/or started out of the last 2 classes, these players will only get better which will make the team better, showing White and Kennedy is not settling for mediocre results.

to me these coaches will be retiring in the Future
KOK is 65 years old
Morgan is in his 60's
KF is 60 and he is putting together a young staff. some of you are so sure KF is just fine with mediocre seasons you are either lying to yourself or others,

someone mentioned the 70's but lets go back to the 60's when Burns took over his 1st team was the preseason #1 team and then Iowa went thru 5 different coaches till HF took over,

Iowa went from the #1 preseason team to 20 years of losing and 5 different coaches, I lived thru those years, its not as easy as some make it out to be.
 
You all are gonna have a long painful existence over the next 6 or 7 years as Kirk remains. He ain't going nowhere. You are gonna have 6 or 7 years of crying on the forums.
 
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Or perhaps a guy who is an IOWA loyalist and doesn't give a $$it about the accepting mediocrity BS over a situation doesn't have control over and doesn't affect his life one way or another. Whether or not IA football is successful, it's not going to help pay my mortgage, kid's college tuition, etc. I do have issues over 'accepting mediocrity' over stuff I can control and have a hand in. Iowa football is not one of them, it's entertainment.
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So is eating out, going to the movies, taking vacations etc. I imagine in those areas you expect a good product. Why not here? Maybe you vacation in Juarez? Consider Applebees fine dining?

If you think 7-5 is the best we can do, fine, but don't act like you don't care about the results on the field. The fact you are here proves that you do.
 
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LaFlamaBlanca99 said:
Just this one. Long time reader, first time poster.
I appreciate your concern regarding my productivity. Do you have the same concern about KF and his results?
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LaFlamaBlanca99 said:
Just this one. Long time reader, first time poster.
I appreciate your concern regarding my productivity. Do you have the same concern about KF and his results?
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Did you find the site thru "Ask Jeeves"?
 
LaFlamaBlanca99 said:
So is eating out, going to the movies, taking vacations etc. I imagine in those areas you expect a good product. Why not here? Maybe you vacation in Juarez? Consider Applebees fine dining?

If you think 7-5 is the best we can do, fine, but don't act like you don't care about the results on the field. The fact you are here proves that you do.
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You know, Iowa State fans think 7-5 is the best we can do. The media thinks 7-5 is the best we can do. Our conference rivals think 7-5 is too generous.

Also, when you said "fine" in regard to if someone thinks 7-5 is the best Iowa can do, does that mean you won't have a problem with their opinion?

The other thing I want you and others who keep starting these threads about coaching changes/complaints to understand, in reference to the last part of your post, is that all fans care.

The rhetorical and sarcastic questions and comments are unnecessary, and quite frankly dumb ("You must not care if you still want Ferentz as coach......You're clearly part of the problem.")

You guys force these assumptions on people to try and get your point across and all you're doing is being more divisive in the process.

Of course, they f***ing care. And they're not part of the problem if they're not coming on here and agreeing with every f***ing vulgar rant somebody makes complaining about a coach. No Iowa fan wants them to go 7-5. Why even make a rhetorical question asking somebody if they want that?

I've said this to everyone that asks me; that I do not care if people what to have a critical opinion of their sports team.

My issue with them is in the fact that more often than not, the sh** they say in their critical opinions either doesn't make sense or is just downright rude.

So maybe I could be more civil in my rebuttals to help these people do a better job of sharing their criticisms in a CONSTRUCTIVE f***ing manner.

.......But there's less fun in doing that, and more often than not, I'm talking to people who are set in their ways and are so convinced that what they believe is right, that all I can do is have fun at their expense. :D
 
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EvilMonkeyInTheCloset said:
You know, Iowa State fans think 7-5 is the best we can do. The media thinks 7-5 is the best we can do. Our conference rivals think 7-5 is too generous.

Also, when you said "fine" in regard to if someone thinks 7-5 is the best Iowa can do, does that mean you won't have a problem with their opinion?

The other thing I want you and others who keep starting these threads about coaching changes/complaints to understand, in reference to the last part of your post, is that all fans care.

The rhetorical and sarcastic questions and comments are unnecessary, and quite frankly dumb ("You must not care if you still want Ferentz as coach......You're clearly part of the problem.")

You guys force these assumptions on people to try and get your point across and all you're doing is being more divisive in the process.

Of course, they f***ing care. And they're not part of the problem if they're not coming on here and agreeing with every f***ing vulgar rant somebody makes complaining about a coach. No Iowa fan wants them to go 7-5. Why even make a rhetorical question asking somebody if they want that?

I've said this to everyone that asks me; that I do not care if people what to have a critical opinion of their sports team.

My issue with them is in the fact that more often than not, the sh** they say in their critical opinions either doesn't make sense or is just downright rude.

So maybe I could be more civil in my rebuttals to help these people do a better job of sharing their criticisms in a CONSTRUCTIVE f***ing manner.

.......But there's less fun in doing that, and more often than not, I'm talking to people who are set in their ways and are so convinced that what they believe is right, that all I can do is have fun at their expense. :D
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Question. Iowa kept running Wadley between the tackles vs NU with no success. Do you think those were BF or KF's calls? My point, if those were KF's that is concerning to me regarding the future.
 
EvilMonkeyInTheCloset said:
You know, Iowa State fans think 7-5 is the best we can do. The media thinks 7-5 is the best we can do. Our conference rivals think 7-5 is too generous.

Also, when you said "fine" in regard to if someone thinks 7-5 is the best Iowa can do, does that mean you won't have a problem with their opinion?

The other thing I want you and others who keep starting these threads about coaching changes/complaints to understand, in reference to the last part of your post, is that all fans care.

The rhetorical and sarcastic questions and comments are unnecessary, and quite frankly dumb ("You must not care if you still want Ferentz as coach......You're clearly part of the problem.")

You guys force these assumptions on people to try and get your point across and all you're doing is being more divisive in the process.

Of course, they f***ing care. And they're not part of the problem if they're not coming on here and agreeing with every f***ing vulgar rant somebody makes complaining about a coach. No Iowa fan wants them to go 7-5. Why even make a rhetorical question asking somebody if they want that?

I've said this to everyone that asks me; that I do not care if people what to have a critical opinion of their sports team.

My issue with them is in the fact that more often than not, the sh** they say in their critical opinions either doesn't make sense or is just downright rude.

So maybe I could be more civil in my rebuttals to help these people do a better job of sharing their criticisms in a CONSTRUCTIVE f***ing manner.

.......But there's less fun in doing that, and more often than not, I'm talking to people who are set in their ways and are so convinced that what they believe is right, that all I can do is have fun at their expense. :D
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Also, when you said "fine" in regard to if someone thinks 7-5 is the best Iowa can do, does that mean you won't have a problem with their opinion?

Yes, that is exactly what it means. There is a difference between believing 7-5 is the best we can do as a program, and 7-5 is the best KF can do as HC at this point in his career, which is what I happen to think.
With our soft OOC scheduling, and considering we'll play at minimum 2 in conference cupcakes each year (usually more), we should essentially start each season with roughly 5 or 6 wins. KF needs to go .500 in the other match ups to win 9 games per year. Not too much to ask in my opinion. He has done it twice in ten years.

Of course, they f***ing care. And they're not part of the problem if they're not coming on here and agreeing with every f***ing vulgar rant somebody makes complaining about a coach. No Iowa fan wants them to go 7-5. Why even make a rhetorical question asking somebody if they want that?

I haven't said anything vulgar, or even remotely profane.

You guys force these assumptions on people to try and get your point across and all you're doing is being more divisive in the process.

I'm not forcing anything on anyone. You aren't required to read the thread, or post in it. I'm making an argument as to why I think KF should be fired. You are free to disagree, obviously.



 
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Question. Iowa kept running Wadley between the tackles vs NU with no success. Do you think those were BF or KF's calls? My point, if those were KF's that is concerning to me regarding the future.
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Regardless of who made those calls, the buck stops at KF. Our play calling, recruiting, game planning, clock management, and preparation have all been concerning for some time now.
 
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Yes, if you blitz you might get burned, but the same is true if you don't. Remember that last four seconds of the PSU game? Conservative defense. No blitz. No risk. No reward.
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This is a great example of why so many of the criticisms of Ferentz and this staff are mocked by those labeled "apologists."

Iowa did blitz on the last play of the PSU game. McSorley then threw the ball within 3 seconds and completed a difficult pass.

So many of the Ferentz-haters simply cannot be taken seriously because they seem to believe that all it takes to be a great coach is to just be ultra-aggressive (i.e., blitz constantly, throw the ball deep). In this case, it appears as though the thought process was that "bad result" = "not aggressive enough" as if it's that simple.

Ferentz certainly has earned his share of criticism over the years. We've seen a number of mismanaged clock situations, reluctance to pull starting players (e.g., Herb Grigsby, Jake Christensen), and too many losses when we were double-digit favorites. Some of these issues should be easier to fix than others, and sometimes the coaches do everything they can to put players in position to succeed, but the players simply don't execute.

Ferentz is not the best coach in the country or in the conference, but he is still one of the better coaches around and has had 3 different seasons where Iowa was in the national championship picture in November. A coach doesn't have as much success as Ferentz has had by luck, and those that portray Ferentz and his staff as idiots simply do not have the mental maturity to make a reasonable assessment.
 
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Yes, if you blitz you might get burned, but the same is true if you don't. Remember that last four seconds of the PSU game? Conservative defense. No blitz. No risk. No reward. It's been true for thousands of years, and it always will be true. But KF won't admit that, and Iowa football continues to be the worse for it.



If I remember correctly didn't we blitz on the last play vs. Penn State?
 
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Yes, if you blitz you might get burned, but the same is true if you don't. Remember that last four seconds of the PSU game? Conservative defense. No blitz. No risk. No reward. It's been true for thousands of years, and it always will be true. But KF won't admit that, and Iowa football continues to be the worse for it.



If I remember correctly didn't we blitz on the last play vs. Penn State?
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Yep they blitzed on the last play.
 
How come Clemson Nation forced out Tommy Bowden after a solid 7.2 wins per year over 10 seasons? He followed a guy who managed only 5.2 wins per year. He also had an 8-2 record vs. South Carolina. So why weren't they jumping for joy over their annual Gator/Music City/Chick-Fil-A Bowl invite?

Here's a few wild guesses --

- Maybe they felt that after a 10 year experiment and no next level, that perhaps it was time to move on.

- Maybe they felt that after no conference championship in well over a decade, that it probably wasn't going to happen with the current regime.

- Maybe they felt that with their tradition, fan base and facilities, they should be able to consistently put a better product on the field than what they'd been seeing.

- Maybe they didn't have the attitude of "Well, I guess Florida St and Va Tech run the ACC now, so I guess the good 'ol days are gone and we should be thankful for what we have."

- Maybe they felt that they were a sleeping giant that with the right personnel in place might be able to compete with the big boys on a regular basis, and not just be halfway solid most of the time and just hope the stars align once in a while for a special season here and there.

Obviously, Clemson has some inherent advantages over Iowa (location, regional recruiting grounds, admission standards rivaling Kirkwood CC), but I have a really hard time understanding the widespread defeatist attitude throughout the Iowa fan base, with so many people scared to move on from KF. The next Dabo it out there somewhere; I just hope that Iowa does everything they can to find him when it's time. Who knows, it could be BF - Dabo has been a much better HC than he was coaching any position, and he was even out of frickin football altogether for a few years before joining Bowden's staff.

I guess I have no control over it, and can only hope for the best, but boy, am I tired of the "KF can do no wrong" crowd, while the Clemsons, Wisconsins, Michigan States, TCUs, Oklahoma States, and Stanfords consistently field excellent teams, when there was a time when none of them competed at as high a level as us.
 
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MeetTheFerentz said:
How come Clemson Nation forced out Tommy Bowden after a solid 7.2 wins per year over 10 seasons? He followed a guy who managed only 5.2 wins per year. He also had an 8-2 record vs. South Carolina. So why weren't they jumping for joy over their annual Gator/Music City/Chick-Fil-A Bowl invite?

Here's a few wild guesses --

- Maybe they felt that after a 10 year experiment and no next level, that perhaps it was time to move on.

- Maybe they felt that after no conference championship in well over a decade, that it probably wasn't going to happen with the current regime.

- Maybe they felt that with their tradition, fan base and facilities, they should be able to consistently put a better product on the field than what they'd been seeing.

- Maybe they didn't have the attitude of "Well, I guess Florida St and Va Tech run the ACC now, so I guess the good 'ol days are gone and we should be thankful for what we have."

- Maybe they felt that they were a sleeping giant that with the right personnel in place might be able to compete with the big boys on a regular basis, and not just be halfway solid most of the time and just hope the stars align once in a while for a special season here and there.

Obviously, Clemson has some inherent advantages over Iowa (location, regional recruiting grounds, admission standards rivaling Kirkwood CC), but I have a really hard time understanding the widespread defeatist attitude throughout the Iowa fan base, with so many people scared to move on from KF. The next Dabo it out there somewhere; I just hope that Iowa does everything they can to find him when it's time. Who knows, it could be BF - Dabo has been a much better HC than he was coaching any position, and he was even out of frickin football altogether for a few years before joining Bowden's staff.

I guess I have no control over it, and can only hope for the best, but boy, am I tired of the "KF can do no wrong" crowd, while the Clemsons, Wisconsins, Michigan States, TCUs, Oklahoma States, and Stanfords consistently field excellent teams, when there was a time when none of them competed at as high a level as us.
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Feel better now?

Honestly, what are you hoping to accomplish besides just ranting your thoughts to get them off your chest?

You're not going to convert anyone, especially when you force labels and assumptions on them. There's no changing your mind.

So what are you doing here?.......
 
EvilMonkeyInTheCloset said:
Feel better now?

Honestly, what are you hoping to accomplish besides just ranting your thoughts to get them off your chest?

You're not going to convert anyone, especially when you force labels and assumptions on them. There's no changing your mind.

So what are you doing here?.......
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I'm sorry. Perhaps you can explain to me what a sports message board is for. I guess I'm not doing it right. Maybe I'll just follow your lead and just rip on everyone else's posts that don't agree with my own thoughts.
 
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Mike Leach - Washington State
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You mean the guy who got run out of town at TTech? The one who could score 50 points a game and still couldn't win more then 7 games a year? Here's one for your list. Charlie Strong after Mac Brown got the boot.......
 
EvilMonkeyInTheCloset said:
Feel better now?

Honestly, what are you hoping to accomplish besides just ranting your thoughts to get them off your chest?

You're not going to convert anyone, especially when you force labels and assumptions on them. There's no changing your mind.

So what are you doing here?.......
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Oh, and I buried the lead.....this coming from a dude who about 10 messages up went on a pointless, aimless, practically unreadable rant. Maybe if I put in some of your favorite censored swear words you'd like my f***ing posts better.

I think you've been eating too much monkey spunk.
 
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Do I think that KF is doing everything he can to produce a winner on Saturdays will high quality young men? Yes, I do.

Do I think there is a coach out there that could do better at Iowa than KF? Sure

Do I believe that Iowa will find that coach and hire him? And that things will actually improve? I have my doubts.

Do I think there is a coach out there that can put Iowa consistently in the Top 10 and deliver B1G championships on a somewhat regular basis? No, I do not.

And finally ...

Do I have any say in the matter? :rolleyes:o_O:eek: Uh, no.

Please continue the discussion.
 
Hawk_4shur said:
Do I think that KF is doing everything he can to produce a winner on Saturdays will high quality young men? Yes, I do.

Do I think there is a coach out there that could do better at Iowa than KF? Sure

Do I believe that Iowa will find that coach and hire him? And that things will actually improve? I have my doubts.

Do I think there is a coach out there that can put Iowa consistently in the Top 10 and deliver B1G championships on a somewhat regular basis? No, I do not.

And finally ...

Do I have any say in the matter? :rolleyes:o_O:eek: Uh, no.

Please continue the discussion.
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No, at this point he's just collecting money
Yes, of course. Chris Klieman at NDSU or Mike Norvell at Memphis
No chance. Unless Barta is forced to retire due to cancer then he will make Brian head coach after Kirk retires
Yes
No
 
MeetTheFerentz said:
I'm sorry. Perhaps you can explain to me what a sports message board is for. I guess I'm not doing it right. Maybe I'll just follow your lead and just rip on everyone else's posts that don't agree with my own thoughts.
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Well like you said, you're not doing it right, since I'm not ripping on people because they don't agree with me.........

Can you explain to me what you get out of repeating the same kind of post over and over again complaining about Kirk Ferentz expecting different results?
 
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