New Jersey 2nd graders
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From the lesson plans...
"Gender identity is that feeling of knowing your gender. You might feel like you are a boy, you might feel like you are a girl. You might feel like you’re a boy even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘girl’ parts. You might feel like you’re a girl even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘boy’ parts."
So, we aren't telling kids that vaginas and penises are girls and boys parts anymore? That seems pretty stupid, no?
How does a boy know that he feels like a girl? He has no way of telling how that feels? And if this is the case, can they feel like something else?
"Gender identity is that feeling of knowing your gender. You might feel like you are a boy, you might feel like you are a girl. You might feel like you’re a boy even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘girl’ parts. You might feel like you’re a girl even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘boy’ parts."
So, we aren't telling kids that vaginas and penises are girls and boys parts anymore? That seems pretty stupid, no?
How does a boy know that he feels like a girl? He has no way of telling how that feels? And if this is the case, can they feel like something else?
Why wouldn't they ban all sex talk? They even rejected a proposed change that would have done exactly that.
The bill is literally about not discussing sexual orientation and gender identity in class but is defended as if it's a ban on sex talk. "Why would you evil dems want kids talking about sex? Groomers!".
Didn't read the entire thread.
https://uproxx.com/viral/jen-psaki-peter-doocy-dont-say-gay-bill/
I guess Doocy's point was valid after all, and the thread ridiculing him here was a little misplaced.
https://uproxx.com/viral/jen-psaki-peter-doocy-dont-say-gay-bill/
I guess Doocy's point was valid after all, and the thread ridiculing him here was a little misplaced.
This is happening in New Jersey because the state enacted a measure in 2019 to require LGBTQ-inclusive teachings in all subject areas. Teachers are teaching what is expected by their state.
I don't know, but I don't think it's appropriate for all students in K-2.
This is not appropriate in any school. This is crazy talk.
You might feel like you are a boy, you might feel like you are a girl. You might feel like you’re a boy even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘girl’ parts. You might feel like you’re a girl even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘boy’ parts."
Let's see if Faulty provides the lesson and grade level so I can see what standard it is supposed to meet before I defend a grade level. I think the lesson plans in the Dropbox link are sample lessons from a different program that someone (teacher curriculum director, etc.) has attempted to match with the NJ standards. Often states set standards, but don't provide materials for curriculum so that leaves teachers, curriculum directors, administrators scrambling to find materials that meet the standards. Textbooks often don't exist that meet the standards the experts set.
If this is what got you to finally start paying attention to your kids education then you were a simple target for the politicians.
What makes me chuckle here is in fact, we really aren’t bombarded with sex. people should take advantage of streaming and watch international shows, and not the edited for tv stuff we see. Hilarious what’s allowed in Europe or Asia content-wise but blocked here.
Of course not for nearly every kid at that age. I’m guessing a surprising amount have heard the terms somewhere and then use it themselves and/or ask about it. Kids at that age are sponges and soak up some much from adults around them without the grownups ever realizing.
Next line will be universal pre-K is about starting the grooming earlier and earlier. Then the whackos who want to end public education altogether will gain more of an audience with MLM moms.
So simple ... let children be children.
And now, for your viewing pleasure (and to make lib's heads really explode) a Bible verse!
"Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven." Matthew 18: 3-4
And now, for your viewing pleasure (and to make lib's heads really explode) a Bible verse!
"Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven." Matthew 18: 3-4
I would say Christians are doing an excellent job becoming like children.
While keeping in mind children here are being held up for their virtousness in lacking pride, haughtiness, and foul ambition. Right?
Well, if you take it like that the quip doesn't work so well. The joke relies on the audience understanding there's another way people are compared to children which isn't about virtue. It's a dad joke, basically.
It’s from the “Pink, Blue, Purple” lesson for 1st graders. 2nd page. It’s the end of “Step One”.
LOL at this entire thread. The United States is the most - by FAR - sexually f'ed up developed nation on the planet. And it shows in our teen pregnancy numbers and our infant mortality rates.
I would think most in the audience understand children can be spoiled brats and so forth, but also appreciate the innocence of youth and can connect that quality to the verse.
Otherwise I'm gonna stop tamping down that little whiny bitch inside me! 😡
I'm guessing you tacked on "developed" nation to exclude a few billion Muslims?
LOL we are not even teaching 1st graders to tuck. We’re so lame!
I see it now. It's a suggested response for a child responding to the question “How do you know what gender you are?” with "I just know." I really don't think 2nd graders would respond that way.It’s from the “Pink, Blue, Purple” lesson for 1st graders. 2nd page. It’s the end of “Step One”.
Personally I hated scripted lesson plans. It felt so fake to me so I very rarely followed them to the letter.
Back to the lesson, no I don't think that is an appropriate response to the answer "I just know." I would have followed up with the question "How do you know?" I anticipate the answers would have be something like "I love trucks" or "I love to play with dolls." Then I would have encouraged a discussion about whether girls can like trucks or boys can like dolls, etc.
I think my response would be more in line with the NJ standard for 2nd grade which reads:
2.1.2SSH.2–Discuss the range of ways people express their gender and how gender-role stereotypes may limit behavior
These Dropbox lessons don't seem to always align with the grade level standards for NJ. I would think that if these are the required lessons for teaching, Rights, Respect, Responsibility: A K-12 Curriculum, we could access them someplace more official than a Dropbox folder.
I gotta say I appreciate the thoughtfulness of your posts, your open-mindedness on many items, and civility in general. Maybe there is something to "toxic masculinity," lol.
On the one hand I like the comment about not being fake and going off-script as necessary. But on a subject as sensitive as this, to many that could be a negative depending on your POV.
On the second thing I'll just ask you: why should there be a classroom discussion by 2nd-graders about gender topics? Blind leading the blind, seems to me.
To your credit you seem to want to spoon feed these topics right up to the point it's too much. I just don't think it has to be so perilously calibrated when they don't need any of this for several years more. My two cents.
STEP 7:Next, explain to students that they may have heard different words to refer to their genitals, such as the penis or the vulva. Ask for a few examples of other words students have heard for these body parts...
That be Roscoe and the twins, miss Crabbapple...
That be Roscoe and the twins, miss Crabbapple...
I think you are illustrating the dangers of having these discussions in an elementary environment to begin with.
What if the kids bring it up? Should teachers improvise or should they be prepared to handle these things? Teachers can't really predict what they're getting for students and some of them hear things when they're little. This isn't gender/sex/sexuality, but we could have had a CRT panic when I was a 2nd grader. A classmate of mine blurted out the n-word and our teacher had to change directions and have an n-word lesson with her classroom full of white private school children she otherwise might be sending out unaware of what had just happened. We didn't know what the word was in 2nd grade and our classmate obviously didn't either except that it was something he'd associated with blurting out in anger (he was frustrated with a worksheet). Should teachers be shooting from the hip when this happens? I don't think ignoring it is a great idea.
You tell them to talk to their parents about it. Simple. Those teachers are not responsible for raising those kids, they are responsible for teaching them social studies. Stay in your lane.
To use your example, 2nd graders don’t need to know the whole legacy of the N word, they just need to know that you don’t ever say it and move on with the the math lesson.
As you say, teachers that try to go out and freestyle are going to get in trouble.
I'm a urologist and my wife's a gynecologist. My 8 year old (now 10) asked where babies come from. I took him to this video. I turned off the sound and simplified the narrative. I explained how it was so amazing he existed because the dad parts don't always make it to the mom parts. So far my son hasn't become a man whore and seems pretty well adjusted.
It's amazing what kids can understand if you just tell them the truth. It's better than some stupid stork story or when a mommy and daddy love each other they pick up a baby at the hospital.
I respect and defend your parental right to explain a video about reproduction in your terms to your son.
Btw, I hope you didn't repeat the hideous comment about gender being determined at conception 😉.
You know…I didn’t have a problem with the curriculum until I found out the lesson was titled “Juice Box Sexy Time Talks”. That’s a bit much.
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Lol, I did catch that in there..... It's pretty easy, most of the time the terms gender and sex mean the same. If you want to get down to brass tacks/strict definition, sex is the biological determination and gender is the social. Not shocked that the two correlate 95% of the time.
Like everything, the talking heads like to make it sound like the 5% is a big deal. I just run around with two priorities: kindness and leaving people along. Both with make this miserable rock a better place to live.
What the heck, you got a running ticker tape in your house of sex/gender correlation? You had it at 98% and then dropped it to 95%. You making money off this? 😉
Regardless, seems like a pretty high correlation to this layperson.
I think the concept of gender idenity is a little too complex most children in K-2. I am having a hard time understanding how the lessons from the Dropbox folder align with the standards for NJ. The state did enact a measure to include 2019 to require LGBTQ-inclusive teachings in all subject areas at the 5-12 level, but the standards from the OP article are for Health and Physical Education.
Here are the areas and standards for the end of 2nd grade
2020 New Jersey Student Learning Standards - Comprehensive Health and Physical Education
Personal Growth and Development
- Individuals enjoy different activities and grow at different rates.
- Personal hygiene and self-help skills promote healthy habit
- All living things may have the capacity to reproduce.
- Many factors influence how we think about ourselves and others.
- There are different ways that individuals handle stress, and some are healthier than others.
- Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
- Families shape the way we think about our bodies, our health and our behaviors.
- People have relationships with others in the local community and beyond.
- Communication is the basis for strengthening relationships and resolving conflict between people.
- Conflicts between people occur, and there are effective ways to resolve them.
- People in the community work to keep us safe.
- Individuals face a variety of situations that may result in different types of feelings and learning how to talk about their feelings is important.
- The body moves with confidence in a variety of the age appropriate performances of gross, fine, locomotor, non-locomotor, and manipulative skills as it relates to movements, concepts, games, aerobics, dance, sports and recreational activities.
- Feedback impacts and improves the learning of movement skills and concepts.
- Teamwork consists of effective communication and respect among class and team members.
- The ability to move and perform at different levels and different types and amounts of physical activity enhance personal health.
- Lifelong Fitness
- Exploring wellness components provide a foundational experience of physical movement activities.
- Resources that support physical activity are all around you.
- Nutrition
- Nutritious food choices promote wellness and are the basis for healthy eating habits
- Personal Safety
- The environment can impact personal health and safety in different ways.
- Potential hazards exist in personal space, in the school, in the community, and globally.
- Any time children feel uncomfortable or in an unsafe situation, they should reach out to a trusted adult for help.
- People need food, water, air, waste removal, and a particular range of temperatures in their environment to stay healthy.
- The use of alcohol, tobacco, and other drugs in unsafe ways is harmful to one's health.
- Dependency, Substances Disorder and Treatment
- Substance abuse is caused by a variety of factors. There are many ways to obtain help for treatment of alcohol, tobacco, and other substance abuse problems
None of these standards seem controversial to me. What do you think?
Another thing that I am questioning is the standards are for Health and Physical Education while the lessons are from a Rights, Respect, Responsibility: A K - 12 Curriculum lessons. Something doesn't add up to me and I don't think we are getting the full story from these sources.
Thanks for the complement. I try to be respectful to everyone on HROT even when I strongly disagree with them. I do think you "guys" enjoy being a little more confrontational than most women, but I wouldn't call it toxic masculinity.
My problem with scripted lessons is the kids don't follow the script. The practice became popular in the last few years of my 34 year career. After teaching by thinking on my feet for so long it felt really stilted to read the lesson to my students and respond with canned answers. Change is always hard especially the older you get.
I have no problem with these topics not being taught until upper elementary school. My interest is in defending teachers. It seems that many want to paint us as some kind of crazed sexually obsessed group trying to recruit all children into the LGBTQ community. I also think it's important that every child feels valued and accepted.
