They do deal with it by sending their kids to private school.
New poll reveals what voters really think of America's most powerful teachers union!
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If you're referring to the air controllers he didn't bust that union, they did it to themselves.
Keep trying maybe you'll succeed.
Not true, public school teachers leave and run to teach at the private schools.
That wasn't the question. Your stated reasoning for the necessary evil of unions was to confront the first evil. Which is who exactly?
Since I don't expect you to answer, I'll point out the average Chicago public school teacher salary is 66,000. Anyone suggesting this isn't a "living wage" is an idiot.
So you have no evidence that private schools are not dealing with a teacher shortage but public schools are. But I do appreciate that you are learning that posting something from any jackhole website isn't good enough and your data does actually need to be reliable. I'll take the win on that.
Some sure. In anything like large numbers? Not a chance - unless they can afford to financially or it just means that much to do so, the pay discrepancy between the avg public/private school is too big to ignore.
So? You don't know of every private school in the country. Anecdotes are not evidence. Also, how many of those positions are filled with fully licensed teachers?
Stop grasping for straws you're embarrassing yourself.
Move to Chicago and try! $66k is barely a living wage in suburban DSM. Wake up and smell the coffee!
66k barely a living wage... now I've heard it all. And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.
One of my BIL is a CPS teacher. Has been for 16 years now and he's up to about 78k. My sis is a nurse who makes about the same.
They're doing just fine living in the city on the north side, own a home, 2 cars etc...
Anyone who can't survive on 66k either as a single person or 2nd wage earner doesn't have an income problem, they have a spending problem.
Take that $66k to Chicago or its ‘burbs...and live the good life! It is ball-bustin’ expensive to live there...eye-popping even! But then I am sure you know better...and my kids who have lived there for the past 20+ years have no phuquin’ clue what they are talking about...my kid lives in Evanston...(just for starters, $26k annual property taxes for starters..). They live in a nice area but certainly not exclusive, south of the University.
Doubling down. Who could have seen that coming from you.
This will be fun...
Tell us Joel, what would you consider a "living wage" in Chicago? Clearly you don't consider 66k (remember too this is for 9 months of work) to be so. What would it take, 80k? 90? 100? Keep in mind, the income level we're discussing specifically bc you and @IaHawk44 chose ton use it is a "living wage".
To maintain my level, probably double what I made…..,I dont live extravagant……but I don’t live poor, either….What ever it costs in IOwa I would think you’d have to at least double that to maintain in Chicago…and think twice about driving a car!
Im thinking teachers in Chicago live 12 months a year….Teaching “9 MONTHS” a years is really teaching and job responsibilities about 46 weeks annually…..I am sure Chicago teachers just dont walk in to school and unlock the doors on the 1st day of school and they Don’t just lock the doors on the last day of classes either….,
Never involved in “union”….I was lucky enough to work for an employer who understood the importance of paying above industry wages and benefits….and the importance of “labor” in accomplishing their goals. In my home town the two major employers are non0union and they pay their employees well with benefits that match. It can be done the right way. Unions exist where that has not always been the case.
People who failed their teachers hate teachers.
We're civil servants, not miracle workers.
This board is evidence that some are unteachable.
And f*ck them. Let the world pass them by. Let their insecurity be reinforced by their irrelevance.
If they're your kids I'm pretty sure they have no phuquin clue about anything in life.
Again, the irony!
Hahahahahahahaha
Your parents failed.
You are a true P.O.S.
Shoo away, little boy. The adults are speaking.
People complain about how wages have stagnated and how hard it is to be an employee now and how companies don't value them and then they turn around and blame Democrats for their problems. The destruction of unions by the right is the number one reason behind all of these issues. Getting rid of unions sure as shit didn't keep jobs in America, by the way. It probably accelerated the process if anything.
The teachers union should be abolished. No question it is a net negative for the students who educators are supposed to be helping.
Amazing how that works isn't it? Almost like you had a choice to work for an employer who was good to it's employees.
And remember what we're talking about here, public sector workers making 66k on average per year working essentially for the government, not some slave driving company putting profit above its employees. It all adds up to the exact point of this thread.
The Union should definitely dump the 2 hypocrites mentioned in the article.
The rest of the article is the usual wing-nutty, neoliberal propaganda that we have come to expect from FOX.
What good does the union actually do for teachers minus fighting against performance standards on their behalf? With the exception of lowering performance expectations what value do teachers believe they actually get in return for their dues?
What point? Neither the OP article nor your comment makes any point beyond expressing your belief that unions are bad.
My posts helped elaborate why people share this belief. Its not just me but the majority in Chicago regarding the CTU. Again from the article -
"An October poll conducted by Echelon Insights on behalf of the Illinois Policy Institute found that only 37 percent of registered Chicago voters have a favorable view of the CTU, with 46 percent reporting an unfavorable view."
Sorry it bothers you that more people are waking up to the fact these public sector unions in particular are just plain awful.
Even though that isn't a well-respected polling outfit, let's assume their numbers are right. So what?
Does that mean unions are bad, or is it more a measure of a) decades of virulent propaganda against unions by the right or b) general dissatisfaction with the state of education in America?
Keep in mind that the only reasons to dislike this particular union given by the article were 2 hypocrites.
If a couple of union hypocrites justifies taking down the whole union, imagine what that standard justifies vis-a-vis FOX.
I believe unions had a place and time in history but in the modern era they act only to the benefit of themselves and push a certain level of mediocrity that isn't beneficial to the best workers, the companies they work for, or their paying consumers (whether they're buying goods and services or getting "entitlements" from the government ie public education).
People aren't born detesting unions, unions earn that dislike based on how they act and what they do. People in Chicago have come to dislike the CTU because of what the union stands for and what little the union does in regard to improving the education of young folk in Chicago.
Unions are so antiquated and not needed these days.
Teachers aren’t being paid what they should be. It’s all going to the teacher’s corrupt union.
They're definitely not in line with the best interests of the students.
True.
Ahh yes, it's all the propaganda and fake polls to blame, not the actions of the shitty CTU for decades. Good grief you're so predictable.
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