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Oklahoma president David Boren has made his aims clear. He wants a Big 12 conference championship game. He wants to expand back to 12 members. And, above all, he wants a conference network.

Boren doesn't exactly beat around the bush when he says this: “If this comprehensive plan could be adopted, then I would rather stay in the Big 12. But it’s something that we really need to have happen. If we can get the right things done in the Big 12, the right steps taken, especially these three, then I think we ought to stay in the Big 12. If it just doesn’t happen, then I try to think long-term.”

Wouldn't it be a shame if Iowa State got left hung out to dry? Would the MAC even want them?

This should be interesting.

The entire article, from ESPN.com:


Next three months could determine future of Big 12
Feb 1, 2016
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    Jake TrotterESPN Staff Writer

Ever since its members overwhelmingly shot down the notion of implementing a conference network, the Big 12, for almost a decade now, has been riding a roller coaster.

Twice, the league almost dissolved. And it’s been whittled down to 10 members, while losing its championship game along the way.

As a result, the perception of the Big 12 has gradually suffered, and not just in the eyes of those from the outside, either. Oklahoma president David Boren, one of the Big 12’s most influential power brokers, has resorted to calling the conference “disadvantaged.”

Later this week, the Big 12’s presidents, chancellors and athletic directors will congregate at the conference office in Irving, Texas, to kick off what figures to be a defining three months. League leaders are set to meet again in May.

These won’t be the usual routine discussions about rules and budgets. Instead, these talks could set the course for the future of the Big 12, and, perhaps, whether the conference ultimately has a future at all.


And in the end, it could boil down to an old Western standoff, pitting the Big 12’s two founding members against one another.

On one side, Boren has made his aims clear. He wants a conference championship game. He wants to expand back to 12 members. And, above all, he wants a conference network.

"I'd like to plant the seeds for a resolution," Boren told reporters last week after an Oklahoma regents meeting. "I hope that resolution will not be a shootout. I hope that resolution will be one where everyone reaches a common goal as to what we're going to do.”

Boren no longer seems interested in incremental action, either. He wants all three, together and soon.

"What I hope we'll do is do a lot of talking about it and hope that we get some kind of a timetable laid out in front of us, during which time we'll act," he said. "Let's hope this is going to be in the next few months to a year or whatever.”

That will partly hinge on whether Boren can begin drumming up support for his cause -- so far, only West Virginia president Gordon Gee has publicly supported the notion of expansion.

But mostly, it will come down to Texas, and just how far the Big 12’s other flagship program is willing to meet Boren behind closed doors.

So far in the realignment era of the Big 12, Oklahoma has been the one to blink first.

In 2011, the Sooners attempted to pressure Texas into relinquishing the Longhorn Network by flirting with the Pac-12. Texas, however, called Oklahoma’s bluff. The Sooners, who didn’t have a firm invite from the Pac-12 unless the Longhorns came along too, were forced to accept Texas’ status quo.

This time around, though, Oklahoma might not be bluffing.

Boren hasn’t exactly come out and said that he’ll take the Sooners to another conference if he doesn’t get his way.

But he sure has insinuated as much.

“I think if -- if -- we can get the Big 12 on the right track, if this comprehensive plan could be adopted, then I would rather stay in the Big 12,” Boren told the Tulsa World last month. “I think that would be to our advantage. But it’s something that we really need to have happen. Certainly, my first choice, if we can get the right things done in the Big 12, the right steps taken, especially these three, then I think we ought to stay in the Big 12.

“If it just doesn’t happen, then I try to think long-term.”

Boren understands that Oklahoma has leverage the other Big 12 schools don’t. If the Big 12 ever dissolved, the Sooners have the tradition and the following that would assuredly land them a spot in another Power 5 conference. That wouldn’t necessarily be the case for the rest of the Big 12. Texas, of course, would have a landing spot, too. But the Longhorns most likely wouldn’t be able to take the Longhorn Network with them to the Pac-12, Big Ten or SEC, which already have conference networks in place.

That is leverage Boren clearly won't be afraid to use to push his agenda.

What is unclear is how the Texas brass will react.

DeLoss Dodds and Bill Powers, who played hardball with Oklahoma and the rest of the Big 12, are no longer around. Instead, the Longhorns have a new president in Gregory Fenves and a new athletic director in Mike Perrin.

Would they be open to compromising with Boren and whatever supporting contingent he is able to cobble together?

The answer to that could begin to materialize as soon as this week.

"I'm not out to embarrass Texas," Boren said. "I'm not out to make them financially worse off. This isn't any kind of motivation to do anything to Texas that makes them worse off. I just think we've got to think about ways to transition away from that, that will keep them whole and be fair with them.”

One myth percolating about the Big 12 is that it’s destined to dissolve, no matter what steps the league takes. But the truth is this: As long as Texas and Oklahoma are committed to making the Big 12 last, the conference will continue to exist.

This week, we’ll begin to find out just how willing the two schools that first dreamed up the Big 12 are to making it work.
 
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Oklahoma president David Boren has made his aims clear. He wants a Big 12 conference championship game. He wants to expand back to 12 members. And, above all, he wants a conference network.

Boren doesn't exactly beat around the bush when he says this: “If this comprehensive plan could be adopted, then I would rather stay in the Big 12. But it’s something that we really need to have happen. If we can get the right things done in the Big 12, the right steps taken, especially these three, then I think we ought to stay in the Big 12. If it just doesn’t happen, then I try to think long-term.”

Wouldn't it be a shame if Iowa State got left hung out to dry? Would the MAC even want them?

This should be interesting.

The entire article, from ESPN.com:


Next three months could determine future of Big 12
Feb 1, 2016
  • i

    Jake TrotterESPN Staff Writer

Ever since its members overwhelmingly shot down the notion of implementing a conference network, the Big 12, for almost a decade now, has been riding a roller coaster.

Twice, the league almost dissolved. And it’s been whittled down to 10 members, while losing its championship game along the way.

As a result, the perception of the Big 12 has gradually suffered, and not just in the eyes of those from the outside, either. Oklahoma president David Boren, one of the Big 12’s most influential power brokers, has resorted to calling the conference “disadvantaged.”

Later this week, the Big 12’s presidents, chancellors and athletic directors will congregate at the conference office in Irving, Texas, to kick off what figures to be a defining three months. League leaders are set to meet again in May.

These won’t be the usual routine discussions about rules and budgets. Instead, these talks could set the course for the future of the Big 12, and, perhaps, whether the conference ultimately has a future at all.


And in the end, it could boil down to an old Western standoff, pitting the Big 12’s two founding members against one another.

On one side, Boren has made his aims clear. He wants a conference championship game. He wants to expand back to 12 members. And, above all, he wants a conference network.

"I'd like to plant the seeds for a resolution," Boren told reporters last week after an Oklahoma regents meeting. "I hope that resolution will not be a shootout. I hope that resolution will be one where everyone reaches a common goal as to what we're going to do.”

Boren no longer seems interested in incremental action, either. He wants all three, together and soon.

"What I hope we'll do is do a lot of talking about it and hope that we get some kind of a timetable laid out in front of us, during which time we'll act," he said. "Let's hope this is going to be in the next few months to a year or whatever.”

That will partly hinge on whether Boren can begin drumming up support for his cause -- so far, only West Virginia president Gordon Gee has publicly supported the notion of expansion.

But mostly, it will come down to Texas, and just how far the Big 12’s other flagship program is willing to meet Boren behind closed doors.

So far in the realignment era of the Big 12, Oklahoma has been the one to blink first.

In 2011, the Sooners attempted to pressure Texas into relinquishing the Longhorn Network by flirting with the Pac-12. Texas, however, called Oklahoma’s bluff. The Sooners, who didn’t have a firm invite from the Pac-12 unless the Longhorns came along too, were forced to accept Texas’ status quo.

This time around, though, Oklahoma might not be bluffing.

Boren hasn’t exactly come out and said that he’ll take the Sooners to another conference if he doesn’t get his way.

But he sure has insinuated as much.

“I think if -- if -- we can get the Big 12 on the right track, if this comprehensive plan could be adopted, then I would rather stay in the Big 12,” Boren told the Tulsa World last month. “I think that would be to our advantage. But it’s something that we really need to have happen. Certainly, my first choice, if we can get the right things done in the Big 12, the right steps taken, especially these three, then I think we ought to stay in the Big 12.

“If it just doesn’t happen, then I try to think long-term.”

Boren understands that Oklahoma has leverage the other Big 12 schools don’t. If the Big 12 ever dissolved, the Sooners have the tradition and the following that would assuredly land them a spot in another Power 5 conference. That wouldn’t necessarily be the case for the rest of the Big 12. Texas, of course, would have a landing spot, too. But the Longhorns most likely wouldn’t be able to take the Longhorn Network with them to the Pac-12, Big Ten or SEC, which already have conference networks in place.

That is leverage Boren clearly won't be afraid to use to push his agenda.

What is unclear is how the Texas brass will react.

DeLoss Dodds and Bill Powers, who played hardball with Oklahoma and the rest of the Big 12, are no longer around. Instead, the Longhorns have a new president in Gregory Fenves and a new athletic director in Mike Perrin.

Would they be open to compromising with Boren and whatever supporting contingent he is able to cobble together?

The answer to that could begin to materialize as soon as this week.

"I'm not out to embarrass Texas," Boren said. "I'm not out to make them financially worse off. This isn't any kind of motivation to do anything to Texas that makes them worse off. I just think we've got to think about ways to transition away from that, that will keep them whole and be fair with them.”

One myth percolating about the Big 12 is that it’s destined to dissolve, no matter what steps the league takes. But the truth is this: As long as Texas and Oklahoma are committed to making the Big 12 last, the conference will continue to exist.

This week, we’ll begin to find out just how willing the two schools that first dreamed up the Big 12 are to making it work.
Bowlsby will have them sitting in a circle, holding hands and signing Kumbaya in no time.
 
The problem for the Big 12 in expanding is who are they going to add? They don't have many good options at this point. BYU? Colorado State? I would bet they don't want any more Texas schools so I can't see Houston as being an option.
 
The problem for the Big 12 in expanding is who are they going to add? They don't have many good options at this point. BYU? Colorado State? I would bet they don't want any more Texas schools so I can't see Houston as being an option.
I always thought West Virginia was a reach that school is close to no one.. This could be the fall of the p5 and then become the p4 college football playoffs would be a lot easier..
 
I wonder if Boren is holding an ace in the hole? The B1G has researched taking them in the past several years so that cannot be completely out of the question. It would make Nebraska very happy. There are some issues that would need to be addressed, but you never know. The other suitor might be the SEC. Going to be interesting to see what happens.
 
I always thought West Virginia was a reach that school is close to no one.. This could be the fall of the p5 and then become the p4 college football playoffs would be a lot easier..
Make it easier.. get rid of Notre Dame too while your at it then a true p4
 
For the expansion part, what about Memphis and BYU?

If Oklahoma leaves the Big 12, would you consider Oklahoma and either BYU or West Virginia to the Big10?
 
The problem for the Big 12 in expanding is who are they going to add? They don't have many good options at this point. BYU? Colorado State? I would bet they don't want any more Texas schools so I can't see Houston as being an option.
Houston wants in the Big 12 pretty bad. One reason they paid a high price to keep Herman. Also heard Cincinnati and maybe Louisville. If the Big 12 can come up with the money I'm sure they will attract good prospective schools.
 
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For the expansion part, what about Memphis and BYU?

If Oklahoma leaves the Big 12, would you consider Oklahoma and either BYU or West Virginia to the Big10?
The big ten would look hard at Kansas for their basketball brand.. Yes a crappy football program..
 
Gotta agree with the comments above, them finding 2 quality expansion schools is going to be tough.

Letting TAMU and Mizzu walk was a bad idea.
 
any chance the Nebbys would bail out of the BIG? they can't win here and many Nebbys think that going to the BIG has hurt them on recruiting.
 
any chance the Nebbys would bail out of the BIG? they can't win here and many Nebbys think that going to the BIG has hurt them on recruiting.
Good point. If Oklahoma jets. I think wvu heads to acc. Okie state to sec. Oklahoma to sec/pac. Texas sec/pac. Baylor pac.. Leaving tcu, Texas tech, Ksu, Kansas, and Iowa state left to dry.. Mac and mountain west may just asborb those schools..
 
Completely disagree with many of you guys. First, the timing can't be much better with Texas stranglehold momentarily loosened, might be able to convince them to actually play fair. But more importantly, the B12 is still very attractive ... to every non-P5. Sure we, in the Big Ten, can laugh and think nobody wants in, but the B12 is getting the short end of the stick (in their minds) by not having a CCG, but the G5 teams even with CCG don't get in and don't get respect.

I think there are plenty of likely teams. Houston should be the most obvious and its placement in Texas doesn't/shouldn't matter, they are not beholden to UT and most certainly compete for recruits. What would the B12 teams be concerned about, Houston keeping all of the Houston players? They are doing that right now under the previous coach and Herman. After that both Louisville and Cincinnati make a lot of sense, as all three add markets with schools that are similar, even if not historically so. BYU is probably aching to be let in, but I don't see that working due to geography and its independent nature. Yeah it has a big Mormon following, and maybe that is enough. Boise State is another fairly obvious choice if you ignore geography, and even Memphis would close the gap near WVU a bit along with Cinci.

I think they should make the leap to 14, add Houston, one of Louisville, Cincinnati, and Memphis. That is adding fairly large markets, even though some are likely included already. It isn't NY/California/Florida in reach but it would give them from Texas -- Iowa -- West Virginia -- Tennessee -- Texas, a pretty big geographical block of influence and TV. They would have 14 teams to match up with B10/SEC and would forestall the impeding doom scenarios. The teams they are adding are good enough right now and the conference will help to sustain/improve that.

Edit to add: Unfortunately it doesn't do anything to improve wrestling in the B12 as none of the new teams would carry it.
 
I wonder if Boren is holding an ace in the hole? The B1G has researched taking them in the past several years so that cannot be completely out of the question. It would make Nebraska very happy. There are some issues that would need to be addressed, but you never know. The other suitor might be the SEC. Going to be interesting to see what happens.

In a recent On Iowa Podcast, Morehouse and Dochterman discussed adding Oklahoma and Kansas (would give the B1G the Kansas City market, and a basketball blue blood). OK and NE could then re-new their football rivalry.

I wonder if Delany has been in recent contact with Oklahoma. If OK does not get the 3 things it wants (2 more schools; a Big 12 Championship football game; and a Big 12 Network), then I think they are gone. And once OK leaves, the conference crumbles. And if that happens, pop your pop corn and by sure to visit the Cyclone Fanatic site
 
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I think they should make the leap to 14, add Houston, one of Louisville, Cincinnati, and Memphis.
Highly doubt Louisville is going to leave the ACC to join the Big 12.

The other three make sense, although I think the animosity from the other TX schools would veto any chance of Houston joining. Plus, they don't need UH to attract the Houston market.

BYU doesn't allow their athletes to compete on Sundays; and Boise State brings nothing but a fairly competitive fball program (over the past 12 years)... their market is a joke; makes Ames look like Chicago.

I think they could also look to Florida and pursue USF and UCF.
 
If the Big 12 broke up and the move to Power 4 happened:
B1G - 14 teams
ACC - 14 teams (Notre Dame makes 15 in all other sports)
SEC - 14 teams
Pac - 12 teams

So realistically there is room for 9-10 teams. Remaining teams in order of appeal:
Texas (Anyone would take them)
Notre Dame (Anyone would take them)
Oklahoma (B1G, PAC and SEC possible)
Oklahoma State (PAC and SEC possible)
Kansas (PAC and B1G possible)
West Virginia (ACC and SEC)
Baylor (PAC)
Texas Tech (PAC and SEC)
Kansas State (PAC)
Cincinnati (ACC AND SEC maybe)
Iowa State (B1G doubtful)
Memphis (SEC and ACC doubtful)

TCU, UCF, USF, UNLV, Boise St, New Mexico.....don't see them going anywhere.

Can't say it looks real good for ISU if the Big 12 falls apart unless the B1G picks them up which is pretty doubtful considering they already have the premier school in Iowa.
 
No way the B1G would even glance in the direction of Ames...they totally ignored Pitt for the same reason.

I like the thought of Oklahoma and Kansas joining the conference...definitely a better combo than Maryland/Rutgers.

Oklahoma/Kansas - B1G
Texas/Baylor - SEC
West Virginia/ND - ACC
TT/TCU/OSU/KSU - PAC
ISU - CUSA or MWC
 
B1G needs to be proactive here and gobble up Oklahoma and Kansas right after Texas stiffs OU in this upcoming meeting. Let the rest of them pick among the scraps. As for Texas, anybody else is welcome to have them and their history of being self serving and not playing nice with others. Personally would not want that headache brought into the B1G.
 
B1G needs to be proactive here and gobble up Oklahoma and Kansas right after Texas stiffs OU in this upcoming meeting. Let the rest of them pick among the scraps. As for Texas, anybody else is welcome to have them and their history of being self serving and not playing nice with others. Personally would not want that headache brought into the B1G.

Do.
Not.
Want.

Seriously why would the Big Ten want them, compared to anyone else?
 
Oklahoma/Kansas - B1G
Texas/Baylor - SEC
West Virginia/ND - ACC
TT/TCU/OSU/KSU - PAC
ISU - CUSA or MWC
Another option would be for these 5 to try and keep the Big 12 intact, albeit no longer a P5 conference...

NORTH
Iowa State
Kansas State
Boise State
Colorado State
Cincinnati
Memphis

SOUTH
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech
Houston
SMU
Rice - Tulsa - UTEP ?
 
any chance the Nebbys would bail out of the BIG? they can't win here and many Nebbys think that going to the BIG has hurt them on recruiting.

I think there are hundreds of millions of reasons this would not happen. Are there even televisions in Kansas? I am still thinking Mizzou was the best get at the time. It has two metros.
 
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Do.
Not.
Want.

Seriously why would the Big Ten want them, compared to anyone else?

Because if expansion is going to happen again, which it most certainly will, the B1G might as well get the pick of the litter and destroy a competing conference in the process. Although, I agree there are some other candidates out east that could be good options as well but I don't see any more schools bailing from the ACC. The Big 12 is faltering and when that split happens it would be wise to pick up the two biggest properties they have to offer, OU football and KU basketball. KU is AAU. We could hold our noses one more time and accept OU much like we did for Nebbie. KU and OU are also Midwest/Plains states. They fit geographically.
 
I think there are hundreds of millions of reasons this would not happen. Are there even televisions in Kansas? I am still thinking Mizzou was the best get at the time. It has two metros.

OU football and KU basketball are national brands though. It's more than about the number of TV sets in Kansas and Oklahoma.

My last couple of posts make it sound like I am pro-expansion. I'm really not, but if it has to happen let's pick up some properties better than Rutgers and Maryland this time.
 
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any chance the Nebbys would bail out of the BIG? they can't win here and many Nebbys think that going to the BIG has hurt them on recruiting.

I do miss the Texas recruiting, but I don't think I'm the only fan that would never want to go back to the Big XII. I'm sure it's a little better now than it was, and I miss the close travel games. I think the B1G is a better fit for Nebraska. And c'mon, I'm NOT one of those Nebraska fans that spouts off that Iowa stinks or We're going to win championships...but we've had one bad year in football. So not sure what you mean about "Can't Win."
 
Because if expansion is going to happen again, which it most certainly will, the B1G might as well get the pick of the litter and destroy a competing conference in the process. Although, I agree there are some other candidates out east that could be good options as well but I don't see any more schools bailing from the ACC. The Big 12 is faltering and when that split happens it would be wise to pick up the two biggest properties they have to offer, OU football and KU basketball. KU is AAU. We could hold our noses one more time and accept OU much like we did for Nebbie. KU and OU are also Midwest/Plains states. They fit geographically.

Oklahoma and Kansas are the pick of the litter?

I guess I can understand the rest, and they do fit, somewhat, geographically.

I don't think Big Ten will expand, but I certainly don't have any information to back that opinion. I think the B12 will expand and do so in a big way.
 
OU football and KU basketball are national brands though. It's more than about the number of TV sets in Kansas and Oklahoma.

My last couple of posts make it sound like I am pro-expansion. I'm really not, but if it has to happen let's pick up some properties better than Rutgers and Maryland this time.

Agree on Rutgers at this point, but imo that is mostly because of the current state of their athletic department and problems throughout. I think Maryland has been a good addition, at least not a bad addition in any way (unlike Rutgers). I also think Maryland will keep improving now that the Big Ten $$ has helped them improve their financial problems they were having.
 
Heard on the College Sport Show's Rick Neulhisel(sp) say that some of recruiting experts talked to recruits. The recruits were saying the Big 12 is not as clamorous as the other power 5 conferences. That was one reason Oklahoma was a disappointing 20th in the recruiting rankings. Lack of a championship game and only 10 teams were the main reasons.
 
I don't see any of the current Big 12 teams joining the B1G. I see the B1G going South and East into SEC/ACC territory when they expand again, not West. OU is a football prize and a national brand but that is about it. They don't have much to speak of academically nor do they bring any big TV markets. Most likely candidates for the B1G are Virginia, Vanderbilt, and Georgia Tech, followed by Boston College, North Carolina, and Duke. I think Virginia would be the B1G's golden goose right now.
 
I don't see any of the current Big 12 teams joining the B1G. I see the B1G going South and East into SEC/ACC territory when they expand again, not West. OU is a football prize and a national brand but that is about it. They don't have much to speak of academically nor do they bring any big TV markets. Most likely candidates for the B1G are Virginia, Vanderbilt, and Georgia Tech, followed by Boston College, North Carolina, and Duke. I think Virginia would be the B1G's golden goose right now.

Completely agree, Virginia would be a great addition for the Big Ten and for Virginia.
 
Just a throw something at the wall but does anyone think we could go to 18-20 teams and form 2 divisions? The West could add OK & KU and the East best 2 available from Virginia, Vandy, UNC, G-Tech, etc. Play everyone on your side and 3-4 cross overs (forget the non cons).
 
Do not disagree with you guys about Virginia or some of the other ACC schools. The problem is the ACC slapped some handcuffs on their member schools with the membership agreeing to give up future rights fees or something if they bailed from the conference. Don't know the details but know it is a crapton of money they would have to pay to get out of the conference which makes it cost prohibitive. Besides, the ACC is a decent academic conference.
 
i want the Big 12 to implode and watch as ISU lands in the MAC (if the MAC will have them, that is)
Why so much schadenfreude over the thought that ISU lands in the MAC? This is exactly where Iowa would end up if the B1G dissolved or Iowa put out of the conference and there was no Big XII for the Hawkeyes to migrate towards. Iowa is not as glamorous to other Power 5 conferences as many here would like to believe
 
Do not disagree with you guys about Virginia or some of the other ACC schools. The problem is the ACC slapped some handcuffs on their member schools with the membership agreeing to give up future rights fees or something if they bailed from the conference. Don't know the details but know it is a crapton of money they would have to pay to get out of the conference which makes it cost prohibitive. Besides, the ACC is a decent academic conference.
I know the ACC made it more difficult for their members to leave, but with the way the B1G is printing money these days would the ACC penalty be enough to discourage the move? Would the B1G shell out 10's of millions to poach GT, bring BTN to the Atlanta market, and invade SEC territory? The SE Coast (Virginia, NC, and SC) is seeing a population migration. Having a B1G presence there would be very valuable in the future.
 
Why so much schadenfreude over the thought that ISU lands in the MAC? This is exactly where Iowa would end up if the B1G dissolved or Iowa put out of the conference and there was no Big XII for the Hawkeyes to migrate towards. Iowa is not as glamorous to other Power 5 conferences as many here would like to believe


Hypotheticals are fine to a certain point.

The Big Ten is not dissolving. End of that story.

Iowa is not in any danger of being extricated from the Big Ten.

In comparison, Iowa is eons ahead of isu in the eyes of others. In football alone, Iowa has a strong tradition, much better success and more national recognition that the alternative put forth. As much as some of YOU would like to believe otherwise, it just is not accurate.
 
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Why so much schadenfreude over the thought that ISU lands in the MAC? This is exactly where Iowa would end up if the B1G dissolved or Iowa put out of the conference and there was no Big XII for the Hawkeyes to migrate towards. Iowa is not as glamorous to other Power 5 conferences as many here would like to believe
Call me when the B1G dissolving is even a question.

Iowa is very well respected both athletically and academically. Iowa would add the entire state of Iowa market. The Iowa athletic dept is always in the top 15ish in revenue. Given the choice of Iowa or Iowa State, any conference is going to pick Iowa before Iowa State every time.
 
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Why so much schadenfreude over the thought that ISU lands in the MAC? This is exactly where Iowa would end up if the B1G dissolved or Iowa put out of the conference and there was no Big XII for the Hawkeyes to migrate towards. Iowa is not as glamorous to other Power 5 conferences as many here would like to believe
Iowa's resume entirely different than ISU. Which includes bowl appearances, league championships, winning tradition, and respectability. ISU's program has none of that. The last really good ISU teams go back to when Johnny Majors and Earl Bruce coached there. Right now ISU would have trouble winning in the MAC let alone in the Big 10.
 
Just a throw something at the wall but does anyone think we could go to 18-20 teams and form 2 divisions? The West could add OK & KU and the East best 2 available from Virginia, Vandy, UNC, G-Tech, etc. Play everyone on your side and 3-4 cross overs (forget the non cons).

I've never understood this position. How is it any different than having the SEC/Big Ten? Or any different than having P5 conferences at all? Do they benefit from having one leader instead of 2?

At that point you aren't playing anywhere near everybody in your conference and rarely playing many teams ... why is that different than the Big Ten prior to expanding this time compared with the SEC?
 
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