Technically next year if there was a redshirt somewhere in there. Or if you're the Miami tight end I think you get to decide when you'd like to retire.
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Well, so many people are so scared of this hypothetical new hire that they want to put it off until KF is at least 90 years old....
You think the BF years were the "dark" times, with three ten-win seasons and no record worse than 8 wins you simply are ignoring the various realities. The 60s and 70s rolling debacle is to remind those who didn't live through those seasons just how dark the dark days can get. Do you remember firing Dr. Davis, the career victory leader at Iowa? Twenty-five years later the MBB has not reached the point where Dr. Davis left it.
You really should change the avatar. Still complaining about someone fired over a year ago seems obsessive compulsive, and not in a good way. But you do you.
Not 90, but maybe 72. We are going to need a lot more money than I think Iowa has now since I expect McC to retire in the next couple of years.
Like the Alford and Lickliter years. Even a dog doesn't put it's foot in the same fire THREE times.
I’ll take 8-4/9-3/10-2 regular seasons the rest of my life if it means 4-8 teams.
One could definitely make a case that Iowa hasn't gotten back to the Dr. Tom level.
Regardless, it was terrible move at the time
Conference winning percentage Dr. Tom’s last 5 seasons: 57%
Conference winning percentage Fran’s last 5 seasons: 58%
Fran’s teams made the NCAA tournament 75% of the time in those years (would have been 80% were it not for Covid) while Dr Tom only made it 60% of the time.
Yes, Dr. Tom won a couple games in the tourney in his lame duck year, but’s let’s not act like Iowa was some kind of blue blood when he was shown the door.
Doesn't have to be this way.
8-9 wins against the lower half of the conference along with zero exciting out-of-conference victories does absolutely nothing for most of us.
The original assertion was about where Dr. Tom left the program. If you look at the records, Iowa is in pretty much the same position now as when he left the program.
Let’s also not forget that the talent level on the roster was going to be pretty atrocious in 1999-2000. Through his poor recruiting, Dr. Tom really had the program headed in the wrong direction.
Iowa made the Sweet 16 in Davis' last season.
So, as I said, one could certainly make the argument that Iowa has not reached the level it was at when Davis left.
So, your original assertion that Uncle Teddy's statement was not at all accurate, is not at all accurate
So the entire process of judging where a program is at consists of looking at the results of two games?
Well, we didn't have social media in the late 90's, but if we had Davis would have been roasted just like Fran. Every fan I talked to in those years wanted him gone. Iowa had become stale, predictable and frankly the fans were bored. Davis had some big recruiting misses and fans believed he had gotten too comfortable at Iowa.
Bowlsby cut the cord with Davis due to fan pressure to have the program "take the next step". Everyone was excited about the Alford hire. Sadly, Davis had to coach a lame duck year. He was treated like dirty laundry. But I think Bowlsby had Alford in this back pocket.
For the most part the accomplishments of Davis at the end of his time at Iowa were similar to what Fran has done - which is also similar to Iowa basketball achievements in the last 50 years, with a few notable exceptions.
I think Iowa can do better than Fran. I think the football program needs some new blood.
But I'm not willing to bet money that things get much better in either program under a new coach.
Dude there is NO ONE here who thinks your a Hawk fan. Go away, or slink back to Omaha with those cornholers....
So on a year to year basis, whats different about Iowa then Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, MSU, NW, Rutgers, Maryland Etc..Not just last year, but over the last 5-10 years. So Basically any team not named OSU, Michigan or PSU
They have been pretty committed to it though. I would shake their hand for it.......wait.....that's not how they roll, never mind....
I’m seeing some comments that Logan Jones may come back next year? Is that a possibility?
The only time Dr. Tom made the Sweet Sixteen after Raveling’s recruits were gone was after he had already been fired.
So no credit for getting there initially, got it. In possibly one of the more competitive times in the B1G and nationally.
It’s absurd to not acknowledge that one coach took over a roster with 7 future NBA players while the other took the helm at a program that was dead in the water.
Wasn't Dr. Davis last season a Sweet 16? Didn't Iowa win more NCAA games in the 90s (leaving the "inherited talent" argument aside for now) than in the 25 seasons since Dr. Davis left. That last team had some good young talent and the recruiting class looked good.
Everyone could see two things:
1) Dr. Tom could coach
2) Dr. Tom couldn’t recruit well enough
1) Dr. Tom could coach
2) Dr. Tom couldn’t recruit well enough
Interesting that he was in the portal this spring, and then came back. Did not know that...
These would have been the returning players for the ‘99-00 season if Dr Tom stuck around:
Dean Oliver
Ryan Luehrsmann
Jason Price
Kyle Galloway
Joey Range
Duez Henderson
Rod Thompson
Guy Rucker
Jacob Jaacks
That’s a team that finishes last in the Big Ten.
And what recruiting class are you referring to? There was no recruiting Dr Tom’s final season because he was a lame duck. Seems like you’re just making things up to suit your narrative.
I don’t believe I did that. Please don’t confuse what you think I meant with what I actually typed. Pointing out flaws in your premise does not mean I compared the two. Totally different situations.
One won more NCAA games than the other after each of their inherited situations passed
You’re exactly right. But there’s been a lot of revisionist history in certain quarters in the years since Dr. Tom was let go.
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