I've been seeing some fans at Louisville games and others. So I was wondering if it's a league rule because of different states and their rules , or do Big Ten teams have any say, depending on their states rules?
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It's an absolute joke all the way around.
Fake crowd noise and cardboard cutouts are irritating. The teams seem to do a good job playing in that enviornment. But it makes you wonder how badly they would like to see at least some fans.
Feels like if Drake can do 2,000 in their 7,000 person arena, no reason you couldn’t do 4-5,000 in the big B1G arenas.
Iowa St., Drake and UNI have more fans than we do. Our governor would not care about fans at Iowa so it's all on the Big Ten.
I know. I was using that as a reference in general. B1G has taken it too extreme.
I was there yesterday and there was plenty of room to social distance. Absolutely no reason Iowa couldn’t do 3,500 safely.
This right here. We could’ve easily had 10-15k for football and have a couple of thousand for b-ball but our incompetent commissioner Kevin Warren won’t allow it for any school. Even though it has worked well for other schools like those in the acc, sec and big 12.
BIG over reacted in football
BIG over reacted on basketball fans
B1G over reacted on 20 day pause
case study in elitism
BIG over reacted on basketball fans
B1G over reacted on 20 day pause
case study in elitism
I’m all for (a limited number of) fans at this point, but I actually like the piped in crowd noise during TV broadcasts, provided it’s at a reasonable noise level. If it’s too loud, it’s indeed cringy, but I frickin’ hate games on ESPN where it’s dead silent. This is a bizarre season, and when you’re watching on TV and can’t see the empty stands but can hear a faint buzz of a crowd, it ALMOST makes it feel a tad normal!
Kevin Warren should not have a job considering how much he botched this from the get go.
only family and press I believe
big 10 rules take precedence over state rules of all the schools in the conference.
Kevin Warren is the Commissioner of the B1G, not the King. I have to believe that the University Presidents and AD's are having their say on these decisions. Of course, I'm sure not all of them agree, but I don't think it's fair to dump everything on Warren.
It doesn't mean that a school/large venue HAS to have crowds. Big 10 has dug in its heels. If Iowa or Indiana were to allow some fans, it's likely Illinois or Michigan would prohibit their teams from traveling to those locations to play. Big 10 is not going to change at this point. It's too bad. I hope they allow some people in for the Big Ten tournament. They are playing in Lucas Oil Stadium, a literal football stadium. You could easily get in 5-10k and be very distanced.
I agree some noise is ok, but the Wisconsin game on Sunday was way to much when you see empty stands.
On the bright side, Iowa will be top in attendance this year in the BT That’s probably never happened.
We ARE in the middle of a global pandemic that's killed half a million people in the US alone. Anything we can do to slow the spread saves people's lives...and we still get to enjoy the games on TV. My otherwise healthy 80 year old aunt died of it. A 38 year old teacher from a small school district in Iowa died of it, along with over 5000 others. These are people with families and friends. While it's not possible to prevent all transmission of it, I think it makes sense to do all we can to slow the spread and save lives, even though it means some temporary, minor inconveniences. Again, we still get to have a BB season and can watch on TV. Wouldn't it be a pisser to lose a good friend or loved one because of a BB game?
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Exactly it’s clear that many on these forums have been fortunate and it’s made them ignorant
She did. It is the General of Wokeistan Kevin Warren calling the shots on B1G arena's.
Where the heck did find that picture of him actually doing something?? 99% of the game he would just sit in his chair like a spectator.Just like the Lickliter days!
I hear you. This whole thing has been terrible. People have died, been in hospital, had lives turned upside down. Including members of my family. It's terrible. With that said, at what point is society allowed to open again? With people who are most at risk staying home and the rest of the world getting on with it? COVID will not be eliminated 100% even when the population is fully vaccinated. There will still be people who get it. There will still be people who die from it.
I know no one will be convinced one way or the other, as minds have been made up by now. My own personal opinion is that the long-term damage we are doing by viewing our fellow citizens as a risk will have long-term damage that we aren't beginning to understand.
I really hope that all of your family and friends stay safe.
The science says The risk of socially distanced healthy people and young people is minuscule.
adding 4-5K people in CHA is not a huge risk factor....
plus, new case rates are falling, vax are up, mortality rates falling...
(that said, I’m sorry for those that have lost family members)
adding 4-5K people in CHA is not a huge risk factor....
plus, new case rates are falling, vax are up, mortality rates falling...
(that said, I’m sorry for those that have lost family members)
I hope that is the direction we are headed and what people are looking at. The cases in the Big 10 areas are trending downward big time. Probably too late to allow anyone in this year.
Well, if it were only that easy - "I'm healthy so I don't have to worry about getting really ill and I can go where I want and do what I want." You can carry the virus without having symptoms and infect your barber, let's say. Your barber gets COVID but doesn't get really ill. They infect the bartender who then goes home and infects their child or grandparent whose immune system is compromised. And they die, or have life-long lung damage, etc. Why not all of us stop whining, suck it up, and do what we can until more are vaccinated - wear a mask, socially distance, wash hands, get vaccinated, only go places when we really have to - work, get gas, grocery store, pharmacy - and do drive thru at as many of these as possible. It's not so hard. The better we do at this, the earlier the virus will stop spreading and we can get back to normal with as few deaths as possible.
Confirmed cases have fallen by 200% since Jan 5th and are still plummeting...
Question, why, as in your example, would the barber who sees untested people daily, be daily visiting with grandparent with immune compromised conditions?
Then there is CHA services workers who have all lost their jobs because CHA has closed, How do they put food on table?
This is a complex dilemma for sure, and shutting down everything is an option, but there are societal costs to that option that, at sometime will weigh cost more...
the B1G should open up the arenas for limited fans, like all the other conferences and NBA has done.
Question, why, as in your example, would the barber who sees untested people daily, be daily visiting with grandparent with immune compromised conditions?
Then there is CHA services workers who have all lost their jobs because CHA has closed, How do they put food on table?
This is a complex dilemma for sure, and shutting down everything is an option, but there are societal costs to that option that, at sometime will weigh cost more...
the B1G should open up the arenas for limited fans, like all the other conferences and NBA has done.
Maybe the barber has no one else to deliver meds, etc. to their grandparent. Maybe they don't do so daily.
Maybe, I think I‘ll just leave it here, I think there can be safe limited fans in attendance (like the majority of the conferences/nba) and I think the science shows these fans are limited in risk (if you go to the game, don’t see grandma for 7-10 days), if you take care of grandma then don’t go to the game.
lets do our part to get the economy up and running and do so in a way that limits risk to the vulnerable
I don't know what the governor's current position might be. Iowa State is limiting attendance to about 10% at Hilton, which works out to around 1,500 fans. This season, that's a crowd.
I agree that 4-5 thousand fans doesn't sound like much, but if you really think about it that would mean there would be two open seats between each person (probably less than 3' apart) and no difference in front or behind you. And this virus spreads most readily, I think, thru droplets in the air, specifically thru talking, yelling, singing. 4-5 thousand fans packed in would be a super spreader event. Now, does that mean only 1 person dies as a result? Maybe. Maybe none, Maybe 2. Not worth the risk IMO. Let's wait a few months until 70-80% of us have been vaccinated, then get back to normal.
Agree with Willin. This season is already baked without fans...changing at this point would not be fair.
Let's stick a dagger in this virus heart before we relent.
When I think about the impact of rabid fans on already bad officiating...I shudder.
Or maybe fans do not impact officiating as much as we thought?
Let's stick a dagger in this virus heart before we relent.
When I think about the impact of rabid fans on already bad officiating...I shudder.
Or maybe fans do not impact officiating as much as we thought?
Why can't 3-4k people do this in a basketball arena? If 500 can watch high school games wearing masks, why can't NCAA teams.
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