No, we're not going to forget

[Joes Place]

warp speed allowed for that not to be the case.

This is patently false.

Warp Speed simply ran processes in parallel, at real risk of money completely lost if anything failed at any step in the process. Those steps are otherwise run in series, and require years to complete.

No one wants to invest billions in manufacturing infrastructure to make billions of vaccine doses while Phase I/II/III trials are still going on, because if any of those trials fails, you just wasted billions on a process you don't use (this actually happened to vaccine makers during MERs, as by the time they had a vaccine ready, MERs disappeared so all that investment was worthless).

WS backed them with no-risk funds to get all of those steps running from Day 1, which meant zero downtime in setting anything up step-wise.

You, again, are simply ignorant on the processes and facts here.

 

[KFsdisciple]

This is patently false.

Warp Speed simply ran processes in parallel, at real risk of money completely lost if anything failed at any step in the process. Those steps are otherwise run in series, and require years to complete.

No one wants to invest billions in manufacturing infrastructure to make billions of vaccine doses while Phase I/II/III trials are still going on, because if any of those trials fails, you just wasted billions on a process you don't use (this actually happened to vaccine makers during MERs, as by the time they had a vaccine ready, MERs disappeared so all that investment was worthless).

WS backed them with no-risk funds to get all of those steps running from Day 1, which meant zero downtime in setting anything up step-wise.

You, again, are simply ignorant on the processes and facts here.

Well, that's true, I'm as ignorant of the process as you are void of common sense.

 

[Joes Place]

Well, that's true, I'm ignorant of the process

Yep

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Find a single instance of me making such an idiotic claim and I'll leave the board forever. If you can't find such an instance you can either acknowledge it or you leave the board for a year. Bet?

It's as if you don't know what "you guys" means.

So...you also think antibiotics should be pulled. Got it. They kill people and make others violently ill. They cause bacteria to mutate into drug resistant variants that can sicken and kill. Must. Be. Banned.

You're a simple-minded

Minus the drug resistance aspect (because that just muddies the water), vaccines are far more dangerous that antibiotics. Nice try comparing it to something to a product that has little to no controversy over it's side-effects whatsoever though.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Yet, here you are, pushing nonsense that will get more people's children seriously ill from things that could readily be avoided.

Should have done the science right the first time then, huh?

 

[naturalbornhawk]

No one is "ignoring" them.

Yes, you and all your buds all ignore them.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

 

[KFsdisciple]

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I’m willing to bet if that 15% about 80% of them are elderly. Which means roughly 90% of the country sees this for the canard it is.

 

[Joes Place]

vaccines are far more dangerous that antibiotics.

How?

Be specific, and cite your references.

 

[Joes Place]

Should have done the science right the first time then, huh?

What was "done wrong"?

Be specific, and cite your references.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

It's as if you don't know what "you guys" means.

It's as if you can't find anything about your bullshit that applies to me. That would make it irrelevant except you seem to think it's wrong for "you guys" to do it so it justifies YOU doing it...somehow. Typical nbh hypocrisy.

Minus the drug resistance aspect (because that just muddies the water), vaccines are far more dangerous that antibiotics. Nice try comparing it to something to a product that has little to no controversy over it's side-effects whatsoever though.

There's no controversy over vaccines that YOU and YOUR GUYS haven't manufactured out of thin air. You started with thimerosal and you've been moving your idiotic goalposts ever since. You would have been in the crowd railing against Edward Jenner when he developed a vaccine for smallpox. The Anti-Vaccination League of the mid-1800s was led by idiots like you.

You and your guys are liars pure and simple and you put peoples' lives at risk just as if you spent your time and worthless efforts demonizing antibiotics. The world would be a much better place if every one of you disappeared.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

There's no controversy over vaccines that YOU and YOUR GUYS haven't manufactured out of thin air.

Yep everything is truly great in the world of vaccines, and anything negative is manufactured out of thin air. That's hilarious.

You started with thimerosal and you've been moving your idiotic goalposts ever since.

Well, if "they" wouldn't keep doing stupid stuff then we wouldn't have to keep bringing up new stuff. See how that works? I was always on aluminum from the very beginning, btw.

The world would be a much better place if every one of you disappeared.

Checks and balances is bad and it would be better if those that had a differing viewpoint than yourself would just cease to exist. Got it.

you put peoples' lives at risk

The vaccines put people's lives at risk. If you don't like me expressing safety concerns then they should have done the safety science right the first time.

 

[TNHAWK79]

It's also responsible for the labor shortage.

Many on HROT are directly responsible, and deserve to be held accountable.

Labor shortage is due to the great resignation.. people retried much earlier than anticipated. Has nothing to do with Covid.

 

[Joes Place]

Yep everything is truly great in the world of vaccines

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Is he wrong?

 

[KFsdisciple]

Is he wrong?

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They’ve turned being antivax into a badge of honor with their self righteous, elitist, behavior. They control the flow of information and then ask you for “proof” which is nearly impossible to find because of it. But, when you do find peer reviewed studies, or legit qualified people like Dr Harvey Risch they either ignore it or look to discredit the individual not the information. Now that they’ve stuck probably 90% of the world’s population with the poison at least once, they’re never going to admit they COULD have made a mistake somewhere along the way. They still won’t admit COVID originated in a lab. If you want to keep lying about that, then everything after that comes into question.

Last I checked neither science or man is infallible. But when it comes to vaccines even daring to suggest they aren’t perfect in every way if not magical gets you labeled as antivax or conspiracy driven.

How many drugs go through years if not decades of trials, actually get FDA approval, and then wind up killing people or hurting them enough that they get pulled? Why did they want to hide the data on these vaccines for 75 years?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Baaaaaassss!! Baaaaaaaaa!
Baaaaaaaaaa! Baaaaaaaaa!

FIFY

 

[fsu1jreed]

I was always on aluminum from the very beginning, btw.

And to this day you've failed to explain why autism rates have stayed the same even though Al was removed in the early 2000's

 

[Joes Place]

And to this day you've failed to explain why autism rates have stayed the same even though Al was removed in the early 2000's

....AND....we've identified a direct correlation between severe infections (viral OR bacterial) during early childhood as clear markers that can trigger autism.

It was never the vaccines; it was the viruses and bacterial infections, all along.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Yes, you and all your buds all ignore them.

First tell me that Andrew Wakefield did "safety science. Then tell me he was ignored. If you answer yes twice, you lied twice.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

And to this day you've failed to explain why autism rates have stayed the same even though Al was removed in the early 2000's

Because he's a lying sack of crap...and that's an insult to sacks of crap everywhere.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Is he wrong?

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Damn...he looks like shit. And he claimed that thimerosal caused autism which you say is bullshit. Thanks for "fact-checking" him, dumbass.

 

[Joes Place]

How many drugs go through years if not decades of trials, actually get FDA approval

Some of those drugs are for chronic conditions, that require years of followup to identify actual benefits. Because you need to take them in perpetuity to obtain those health benefits. And the side effects, likewise, can take years to develop when you're taking them every day.

When we're talking about "vaccines", they are a single dose or a few doses over a short period of time, where it's far easier to identify positive effects AND side-effects within a short period.

We have annual flu vaccines, which are no longer re-tested EVEN THOUGH they are different formulations, every year.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

And to this day you've failed to explain why autism rates have stayed the same even though Al was removed in the early 2000's

What aluminum was removed in the early 2000's? Be specific.

 

[fsu1jreed]

What aluminum was removed in the early 2000's? Be specific.

Sorry, mercury and then you went to Al...moving the goal posts like always

Thimerosal was taken out of childhood vaccines in the United States in 2001.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Sorry, mercury and then you went to Al...moving the goal posts like always

Thimerosal was taken out of childhood vaccines in the United States in 2001.

That's the second time you've done that, btw. You'd think you'd learn by now. Better sit this one out.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

....AND....we've identified a direct correlation between severe infections (viral OR bacterial) during early childhood as clear markers that can trigger autism.

It was never the vaccines; it was the viruses and bacterial infections, all along.

Then Joe liked your dumb false post and agreed with it here. You guys are getting, or staying sloppy rather.

Stay sloppy my friends.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Back to the WHO....who is going to keep these dangerous asshats in check?

 

[NoleinATL]

Is he wrong?

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Yes, and is a little dramatic
He certainly stretches the truth, is misinformed, and seems fearful of things he is unable to control.
Larry Ellison and Bill Gates are not part of the group that controls information dissemination and did not get the speaker banned from Instagram.
Our democracy has not failed, we just had national elections which for the most part went smoothly
The IT industry is part of the wealth disparity conversation, stating those individuals are the culprits who created it by themselves is absurd.
Has there been evidence provided that proves the leaders of social media companies worked in conjunction with the government to ban people? The "Twitter Files" certainly did not tie the leaders into the framework of people being banned or the ones making the decisions.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

That's the second time you've done that, btw. You'd think you'd learn by now. Better sit this one out.

And aluminum salts have been used in vaccines since the 1930's. Plus you have far more aluminum in your blood from the environment than you will get in every single vaccine combined. And NOW you'll tell us injected aluminum takes some special path that is completely closed off to ingested aluminum because your Al claim was blown out of the water. It's total, complete, lying bullshit. And you either know it and don't care or you're a total f'n idiot. I suspect it's both.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

And NOW you'll tell us injected aluminum takes some special path that is completely closed off to ingested aluminum because your Al claim was blown out of the water. It's total, complete, lying bullshit. And you either know it and don't care or you're a total f'n idiot. I suspect it's both.

And where's your scientific basis for the assertion that your body treats injected aluminum exactly the same as ingested?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

And where's your scientific basis for the assertion that your body treats injected aluminum exactly the same as ingested?

LOL...YOU have to demonstrate that the aluminum in vaccines is treated differently from that ingested and absorbed...in FAR higher concentrations... which absolutely dwarf all the aluminum in all the vaccines combined.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

LOL...YOU have to demonstrate that the aluminum in vaccines is treated differently from that ingested and absorbed...in FAR higher concentrations... which absolutely dwarf all the aluminum in all the vaccines combined.

You're the one who made the statement, now back it up dude.

 

[globalhawk]

Come on man, that isn't remotely what he was talking about in the article. There were a lot of respected experts asking questions that had nothing to do with ivermectin and bleach who were silenced and in some cases ruined by the thin slice of experts who were government and media approved. There is nothing wrong with admitting some things were handled very poorly, and that some experts who were saying so should not have been attacked as they were. Yes the nutbags should be ignored but it wasn't just the fringe who were attacked.

Who are these respected experts?

 

[globalhawk]

He's talking about the last tweet I shared where the Epoch Times was interviewing the Insurance Research Analyst. He's bent out of shape over a logical fallacy.

Anybody using the Epoch Times as a resource is a friggin moron.

 

[globalhawk]

What argument haven't you lost?

Also, sounds like Thailand is reportedly interested in nullifying their contract with Pfizer, demand their money back, and compensate Pfizer's victims. Is this just the beginning of what's to come?

Nothing to see here, right boys?

Is reported interested. You are an idiot.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Anybody using the Epoch Times as a resource is a friggin moron.

LOL you're still hung up on that interview? Instead, say something bad about the person they interviewed why don't ya?

 

[globalhawk]

LOL you're still hung up on that interview? Instead, say something bad about the person they interviewed why don't ya?

I know how media is manufactured. You don't. You always provide crazy ass shit. Edit: Why would you trust anything linked in an Epoch Times article? It is an obvious abuse of judgment.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

You're the one who made the statement, now back it up dude.

Another lie. I said YOU would make such a claim. It appears you have backed off that assertion that you've made in the past. So - by your own back-handed admission - there is NO difference in how the body handles that aluminum and it is absolutely DWARFED by aluminum acquired through other sources.

Thanks. Growth. But it puts the lie to your claim that vaxx aluminum is such a hazard. So there's that.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Another lie. I said YOU would make such a claim. It appears you have backed off that assertion that you've made in the past. So - by your own back-handed admission - there is NO difference in how the body handles that aluminum and it is absolutely DWARFED by aluminum acquired through other sources.

Thanks. Growth. But it puts the lie to your claim that vaxx aluminum is such a hazard. So there's that.

Oh no I still got my stuff, I was waiting my turn. You were SO sure with your tough talk that I was "lying" and that it was "bullshit", I just wanted to see if you had a scientific basis behind your assertions. The ball is in your court so what are you going to do with it? I'll give you one more chance. If you post back one more time without it I'll assume you have absolutely nothing to back up your internet tough guy post.